Re: [pygame] pygame documentation license

2008-05-21 Thread Laura Creighton
In a message of Thu, 22 May 2008 14:32:16 +1200, Greg Ewing writes: >Nathan Whitehead wrote: >> I wasn't thinking of having references to the >> main text in the appendix, more just a quick reference to thumb >> through while you're programming. > >If it's self-contained, I think you'd have a case

Re: [pygame] pygame documentation license

2008-05-21 Thread Nathan Whitehead
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 9:33 PM, Brian Fisher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So what makes you think the documentation is licensed under LGPL? The documentation is included in the pygame release in the directory "docs/". All the information about licensing I have found for pygame is that it is LGPL

Re: [pygame] pygame documentation license

2008-05-21 Thread Laura Creighton
In a message of Thu, 22 May 2008 12:45:51 +1200, Greg Ewing writes: >Casey Duncan wrote: >> I'm not a license expert (intentionally), but I'm not not sure the LGP >L >> makes much sense as a documentation license since you can't really lin >k >> to documentation > >Including it as an integral p

Re: [pygame] Pygame 1.8.0 for Windows doesn't actually work.

2008-05-21 Thread joe gallo
Would NSIS be a plausible alternative? On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 10:20 PM, Lenard Lindstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > When I try this for Python 2.4 I find nothing is replaced. Only files new > to Pygame 1.8 are added. Consequently I don't get the error since it is > still effectively Pygame 1.7

Re: [pygame] Pygame 1.8.0 for Windows doesn't actually work.

2008-05-21 Thread Lenard Lindstrom
When I try this for Python 2.4 I find nothing is replaced. Only files new to Pygame 1.8 are added. Consequently I don't get the error since it is still effectively Pygame 1.7. The msi installer is generated entirely by distutils. To customize its behavior means more hacks to distutils. We could

Re: [pygame] pygame documentation license

2008-05-21 Thread Brian Fisher
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Nathan Whitehead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It appears the documentation is LGPL. LGPL doesn't make a lot of sense for documentation, it refers to binaries and linking and source code which don't really apply (the Gnu FDL or Free Documentation License is what

[pygame] pgu project up for grabs

2008-05-21 Thread Phil Hassey
Read all about it here:http://www.philhassey.com/blog/2008/05/21/phils-pygame-utilities-pgu-project-up-for-grabs/But I think I'm ready to pass this project on to someone who can give it a bit more love than I can :)-Phil

Re: [pygame] pygame documentation license

2008-05-21 Thread Greg Ewing
Nathan Whitehead wrote: I wasn't thinking of having references to the main text in the appendix, more just a quick reference to thumb through while you're programming. If it's self-contained, I think you'd have a case for it being "aggregation" rather than "linking". Maybe it could be a separa

Re: [pygame] pygame documentation license

2008-05-21 Thread Nathan Whitehead
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 5:45 PM, Greg Ewing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Not sure how you'd satisfy the requirement to allow > users to upgrade to a new version, though, if it's > something like an index that points to other things > in the book. That's a good point. I wasn't thinking of having r

Re: [pygame] pygame documentation license

2008-05-21 Thread Greg Ewing
Casey Duncan wrote: I'm not a license expert (intentionally), but I'm not not sure the LGPL makes much sense as a documentation license since you can't really link to documentation Including it as an integral part of another book would seem to be the documentation equivalent of "linking", as

Re: [pygame] pygame documentation license

2008-05-21 Thread Greg Ewing
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 5:14 AM, Nathan Whitehead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It appears the documentation is LGPL. The source code of the appendix would appear on the book's website (LaTeX source). The entire book would not be LGPL. Seems to me that this would be in accordance with the spiri

Re: [pygame] pygame documentation license

2008-05-21 Thread Brad Montgomery
I'm not a lawyer, but it's my understanding that the LGPL allows open-source code to be used in closed-source applications. To Quote the article, "Why you shouldn't use the Lesser GPL for your next library": "using the Lesser GPL permits use of the library in proprietary programs; " For the really

Re: [pygame] pygame documentation license

2008-05-21 Thread Casey Duncan
I'm not a license expert (intentionally), but I'm not not sure the LGPL makes much sense as a documentation license since you can't really link to documentation (not in the binary linking sense anyway, web links notwithstanding). So the distinction between LGPL and GPL for documentation is

Re: [pygame] pygame documentation license

2008-05-21 Thread OsKaR
Yes, sorry I thought that LGPL was a derivate from GPL 2008/5/22 James Paige <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > LGPL is different than GPL. > > On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 01:38:15AM +0200, OsKaR wrote: > >I'm not an licesnse expert, like you, but I think (or maybe I read it > >somewhere) that if you use

Re: [pygame] pygame documentation license

2008-05-21 Thread James Paige
LGPL is different than GPL. On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 01:38:15AM +0200, OsKaR wrote: >I'm not an licesnse expert, like you, but I think (or maybe I read it >somewhere) that if you use something with GPL license all the derivated >works would be GPL too, however the best idea is to ask a

Re: [pygame] pygame documentation license

2008-05-21 Thread OsKaR
I'm not an licesnse expert, like you, but I think (or maybe I read it somewhere) that if you use something with GPL license all the derivated works would be GPL too, however the best idea is to ask a really expert. 2008/5/21 Nathan Whitehead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I would like to include a quick

Re: [pygame] Pygame 1.8.0 for Windows doesn't actually work.

2008-05-21 Thread Brian Fisher
So does anybody know why exactly this problem happens? Is there some file left behind by 1.7.1 that is not replaced with a 1.8.0 file? If so, what file? On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 4:12 PM, René Dudfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hey, > > I've made a note about uninstalling pygame 1.7.1 first on

Re: [pygame] pygame documentation license

2008-05-21 Thread René Dudfield
You'd probably need to ask a Lawyer - or ask your publisher to ask a Lawyer. On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 5:14 AM, Nathan Whitehead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would like to include a quick reference to pygame functions in an > appendix of my book. Would it be permissible to use the documentation >

Re: [pygame] Pygame 1.8.0 for Windows doesn't actually work.

2008-05-21 Thread René Dudfield
hey, I've made a note about uninstalling pygame 1.7.1 first on the download page... However I think we need to figure out how to get the windows installer to check if pygame is installed already... and if so uninstall it. Or if we can't do that, make it display instructions to uninstall in the i

Re: [pygame] Pygame 1.8.0 for Windows doesn't actually work.

2008-05-21 Thread inhahe
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 5:57 PM, PyMike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: thanks, that fixed it. (i actually realized that and tried it just before i read this.) > Try uninstalling pygame (make sure all traces of pygame are gone), and then > reinstalling it. I got this problem when I installed 1.8. >

Re: [pygame] Pygame 1.8.0 for Windows doesn't actually work.

2008-05-21 Thread PyMike
Try uninstalling pygame (make sure all traces of pygame are gone), and then reinstalling it. I got this problem when I installed 1.8. On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 4:54 PM, inhahe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Trying to run a program that ran just perfectly with 1.7, I get this error: > The procedure en

[pygame] Pygame 1.8.0 for Windows doesn't actually work.

2008-05-21 Thread inhahe
Trying to run a program that ran just perfectly with 1.7, I get this error: The procedure entry point SDL_GetKeyRepeat could not be located in the dynamic link library SDL.dll. Since the only SDL.dll on my harddrive is under c:\python25\lib\site-packages\pygame, i would assume the 1.8.0 installati

[pygame] pygame documentation license

2008-05-21 Thread Nathan Whitehead
I would like to include a quick reference to pygame functions in an appendix of my book. Would it be permissible to use the documentation of pygame for this (reformatted and possibly reorganized)? It appears the documentation is LGPL. The source code of the appendix would appear on the book's we

Re: [pygame] scissors paper rock crash

2008-05-21 Thread Jason M. Marshall
Lenard, I just tried the movie module again with Pygame 1.8.1pre-svn1236, Python 2.4.4, and Windows XP. You're right; the movie module does work! Jason --- Lenard Lindstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That part of the documentation is outdated. The > movie module works fine > on Windows and i

Re: [pygame] scissors paper rock crash

2008-05-21 Thread Lenard Lindstrom
That part of the documentation is outdated. The movie module works fine on Windows and is included in Pygame 1.8.0. Here is a simple movie player: import pygame from pygame.locals import * def main(filepath): pygame.init() pygame.mixer.quit() movie = pygame.movie.Movie(filepath)

Re: [pygame] mixer.music in runtime

2008-05-21 Thread Brian Fisher
OK, so I've tried the exe you built into an installer, and I get the "AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'music'" error (which is a good thing - means the distribution files are consistent) I also tried making the exe with you setup file, and I get an exe which produces the same "Att

Re: [pygame] mixer.music in runtime

2008-05-21 Thread Keith Nemitz
I can play sounds and music by running the pygame code in the interpreter. Only the build seems affected. I will look into this a bit more to see if there are any sound settings to fiddle with. --- James Paige <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is sound card support enabled, tested, and working in

Re: [pygame] mixer.music in runtime

2008-05-21 Thread James Paige
Is sound card support enabled, tested, and working in your virtual environments? I have encountered errors similar to the ones you describe, only to discover that my virtual machine simply had the sound card emulation disabled. (that would still probably be a bug in pygame, for bad error detect

Re: [pygame] scissors paper rock crash

2008-05-21 Thread Jason M. Marshall
Nick, That error message tells me that you're using Windows, not Linux. With the recent versions of Pygame for Windows, even if your code is correct, the movie will not be played. (See http://www.pygame.org/docs/ref/movie.html for more info.) A brute force solution would be to save each of your m

Re: [pygame] Re: Assembly Line Game

2008-05-21 Thread Kris Schnee
Greg Ewing wrote: It seemed that I would load and find that my latest factory had vanished. That's a bit of a worry -- let me know if you find a way of reproducing it. Aha, I think I've located the problem. I tried loading my game just now, swept up some parts from the factory floor, looked a