Re: [python-committers] Timeline to vote for a governance PEP

[Victor Stinner ] >> The PEP 8001 is not trivial, it expects a specific format: >> >> **DO NOT LEAVE ANY BRACKETS BLANK!** >> **DO NOT REPEAT A RANKING/NUMBER!** [Nathaniel Smith ] > I'm not sure what the motivation for those restrictions is. I guess > with IRV there isn't an obvious way to handle

Re: [python-committers] Timeline to vote for a governance PEP

On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 8:40 PM, Victor Stinner wrote: > The PEP 8001 is not trivial, it expects a specific format: > > **DO NOT LEAVE ANY BRACKETS BLANK!** > **DO NOT REPEAT A RANKING/NUMBER!** > > Maybe it would help to have a script to validate my own vote? (Also > ensure that all choices are pr

Re: [python-committers] Timeline to vote for a governance PEP

> On Nov 3, 2018, at 12:38 AM, Donald Stufft wrote: > > > >> On Nov 3, 2018, at 12:20 AM, Tim Peters > > wrote: >> >> [Tim] Nevertheless, I probably won't vote - I object to public ballots on principle. That's been raised by others, so I won't repeat t

Re: [python-committers] Timeline to vote for a governance PEP

> On Nov 3, 2018, at 12:20 AM, Tim Peters wrote: > > [Tim] >>> Nevertheless, I probably won't vote - I object to public ballots on >>> principle. That's been raised by others, so I won't repeat the >>> arguments, and I appear to be very much in a minority here. > > [Eric Snow ] >> Would it he

Re: [python-committers] Timeline to vote for a governance PEP

[Tim] >> Nevertheless, I probably won't vote - I object to public ballots on >> principle. That's been raised by others, so I won't repeat the >> arguments, and I appear to be very much in a minority here. [Eric Snow ] > Would it help if we only published who voted, and kept their votes > private

Re: [python-committers] Timeline to vote for a governance PEP

[Victor Stinner ] > I'm unhappy with the "[] Further discussion" choice. We have a > governance crisis. Many people would like to see it resolved as soon > as possible, I don't see the ability to vote for "[] Further > discussion" as a way to resolve this crisis. Nobody else does either. This was

Re: [python-committers] Timeline to vote for a governance PEP

On Fri, Nov 2, 2018, 21:44 Victor Stinner Le sam. 3 nov. 2018 à 04:40, Eric Snow a > écrit : > > Would it help if we only published who voted, and kept their votes > private? Publishing the actual votes probably doesn't make a big > difference here, relative to the broader Python/tech community.

Re: [python-committers] Timeline to vote for a governance PEP

Le sam. 3 nov. 2018 à 04:40, Eric Snow a écrit : > Would it help if we only published who voted, and kept their votes private? > Publishing the actual votes probably doesn't make a big difference here, > relative to the broader Python/tech community. The PEP has a whole section explaining the

Re: [python-committers] Timeline to vote for a governance PEP

> > I see that the PEP 8001 is still being updated (voting method). Should > > we still expect new changes before the vote starts? > > I don't detect any groundswell of opposition anymore now that the > voting method changed. I'm unhappy with the "[] Further discussion" choice. We have a governanc

Re: [python-committers] Timeline to vote for a governance PEP

On Fri, Nov 2, 2018, 21:24 Tim Peters Nevertheless, I probably won't vote - I object to public ballots on > principle. That's been raised by others, so I won't repeat the > arguments, and I appear to be very much in a minority here. > Would it help if we only published who voted, and kept their

Re: [python-committers] Timeline to vote for a governance PEP

[Victor Stinner , asking lots of good questions] > ... > I see that the PEP 8001 is still being updated (voting method). Should > we still expect new changes before the vote starts? I don't detect any groundswell of opposition anymore now that the voting method changed. Nevertheless, I probably

[python-committers] Timeline to vote for a governance PEP

Hi, According to the PEP 8001: "The vote will happen in a 2-week-long window from November 16 2018 to November 30 (Anywhere-on-Earth)." It's now in less than two weeks. I see that the PEP 8001 is still being updated (voting method). Should we still expect new changes before the vote starts? Can w

Re: [python-committers] Suggestion: A PSF grant for running a "Core Dev Mentorship Program"

On 02Nov2018 0933, Victor Stinner wrote: Mentoring is an investment in the long term. Is it better to pay someone to review and merge PRs? Reviewing PRs is also a way to help and train contributors. It's not very different from mentoring, depending on your definition of mentoring :-) The probl

Re: [python-committers] If you care about the voting method, please vote ; -)

[Donald Stufft ] > ... > Really, 3-2-1 is the only one that it feels to me like could really argue > about > the tally method of the poll. Since I suggested 3-2-1 to begin with, let me assure you that Approval for the poll was fine with me. Heck, I didn't even once object that the pool creator t

Re: [python-committers] If you care about the voting method, please vote ; -)

[Chris Jerdonek ] > My reply was to Brett and not to you. So it was! I missed that - I just noticed that the vast bulk of the text I was replying to was a quote of my message here about the poll. I should have checked. > If I had known the poll was going to be binding, As before, I had - and h

Re: [python-committers] If you care about the voting method, please vote ; -)

> On Nov 2, 2018, at 8:22 PM, Chris Jerdonek wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 5:09 PM Tim Peters wrote: >> >> [Chris Jerdonek ] >>> It would have been nice to know beforehand if the results of the poll >>> were going to change the PEP. >> >> Don't look at me ;-) Like I said, "I'm not in ch

Re: [python-committers] If you care about the voting method, please vote ; -)

On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 5:09 PM Tim Peters wrote: > > [Chris Jerdonek ] > > It would have been nice to know beforehand if the results of the poll > > were going to change the PEP. > > Don't look at me ;-) Like I said, "I'm not in charge of anything", > and I had no input in changing PEP 8001 beyon

Re: [python-committers] If you care about the voting method, please vote ; -)

[Chris Jerdonek ] > It would have been nice to know beforehand if the results of the poll > were going to change the PEP. Don't look at me ;-) Like I said, "I'm not in charge of anything", and I had no input in changing PEP 8001 beyond contributing to the message thread, same as everyone else. I

Re: [python-committers] If you care about the voting method, please vote ; -)

It would have been nice to know beforehand if the results of the poll were going to change the PEP. I didn't participate because I didn't feel like the poll had a fair process like the PEP's themselves. --Chris On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 3:21 PM Brett Cannon wrote: > > FYI I just updated PEP 8001 wi

Re: [python-committers] If you care about the voting method, please vote ; -)

On Fri, Nov 02, 2018 at 11:57:02PM +0100, Victor Stinner wrote: > Le ven. 2 nov. 2018 à 23:49, Steven D'Aprano a écrit : > > How many people voted? Out of what (approximate) pool of potential > > voters? > > 25 voters on 65 core developers who have an account on discuss.python.org. Thanks! --

Re: [python-committers] If you care about the voting method, please vote ; -)

Le ven. 2 nov. 2018 à 23:49, Steven D'Aprano a écrit : > How many people voted? Out of what (approximate) pool of potential > voters? 25 voters on 65 core developers who have an account on discuss.python.org. 25 can be seen at: https://discuss.python.org/t/python-governance-electoral-system/290/

Re: [python-committers] If you care about the voting method, please vote ; -)

On Fri, Nov 02, 2018 at 03:20:43PM -0700, Brett Cannon wrote: > FYI I just updated PEP 8001 with the result of the poll which very clearly > favoured the Condorcet method for winner selection. That was quick. It would have been nice if there had been some sort of obvious announcement of the time

Re: [python-committers] If you care about the voting method, please vote ; -)

FYI I just updated PEP 8001 with the result of the poll which very clearly favoured the Condorcet method for winner selection. On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 at 12:52, Tim Peters wrote: > There's a poll about the voting method to use to decide on the winning > governance PEP. We'd like to see more people

Re: [python-committers] Suggestion: A PSF grant for running a "Core Dev Mentorship Program"

Le ven. 2 nov. 2018 à 14:55, Antoine Pitrou a écrit : > As a side note, I'm not against the general principle of funding some > mentorship or other contribution-related activity. I'm just unsure that > this would be money well spent. This is a good question. We already a lot of core developers,

Re: [python-committers] Suggestion: A PSF grant for running a "Core Dev Mentorship Program"

Le 02/11/2018 à 14:19, Tal Einat a écrit : > > I am learning that > > effectively mentoring a developer requires being able to spend a good > > amount of time nearly daily on such mentoring. It really depends on the availability and skills of the mentoree. I have mentorees who are very busy and so

Re: [python-committers] Suggestion: A PSF grant for running a "Core Dev Mentorship Program"

Hi Antoine, On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 3:38 PM Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > Le 02/11/2018 à 14:19, Tal Einat a écrit : > > > > I would also like to work towards these goals. I have recently invested > > more time on the core-mentorship mailing list and Zulip stream, as well > > as doing my best to me

Re: [python-committers] Suggestion: A PSF grant for running a "Core Dev Mentorship Program"

As a side note, I'm not against the general principle of funding some mentorship or other contribution-related activity. I'm just unsure that this would be money well spent. Regards Antoine. Le 02/11/2018 à 14:37, Antoine Pitrou a écrit : > > Le 02/11/2018 à 14:19, Tal Einat a écrit : >> >>

Re: [python-committers] Suggestion: A PSF grant for running a "Core Dev Mentorship Program"

Le 02/11/2018 à 14:19, Tal Einat a écrit : > > I would also like to work towards these goals. I have recently invested > more time on the core-mentorship mailing list and Zulip stream, as well > as doing my best to mentor two promising developers. However, my free > time is becoming increasingly

[python-committers] Suggestion: A PSF grant for running a "Core Dev Mentorship Program"

*tl;dr:* I’d like to apply for a PSF grant to mentor several developers towards becoming active contributors and hopefully core-devs. 1. What do you think? Any +1/-1 would be very helpful. 2. I'm looking for info on how successful mentoring has been in getting more contributors. Any such info or