Re: [python-committers] CoC violation (was: Retire or reword the "Beautiful is better than ugly" Zen clause)

2018-09-25 Thread M.-A. Lemburg
On 21.09.2018 14:59, Paul Moore wrote: > Balance, forgiveness, and a mature level of empathy are what's > *really* needed ("among the things that are needed...":-)). Not > policies. Policies should be weapons of last resort. Agreed. I guess we'll also have to learn that flamebait as we had it in

Re: [python-committers] CoC violation (was: Retire or reword the "Beautiful is better than ugly" Zen clause)

2018-09-21 Thread Ethan Furman
On 09/21/2018 07:51 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: Le 21/09/2018 à 14:45, Paul Moore a écrit : It's not likely to be a practical option on a mailing list, but in primary school (which the whole conversation felt like) a likely response would have been to put *everyone* involved in a time-out for a

Re: [python-committers] CoC violation (was: Retire or reword the "Beautiful is better than ugly" Zen clause)

2018-09-21 Thread Carol Willing
> On Sep 21, 2018, at 10:51 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > > Le 21/09/2018 à 14:45, Paul Moore a écrit : >> >> It's not likely to be a practical option on a mailing list, but in >> primary school (which the whole conversation felt like) a likely >> response would have been to put *everyone*

Re: [python-committers] CoC violation (was: Retire or reword the "Beautiful is better than ugly" Zen clause)

2018-09-21 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le 21/09/2018 à 14:45, Paul Moore a écrit : > > It's not likely to be a practical option on a mailing list, but in > primary school (which the whole conversation felt like) a likely > response would have been to put *everyone* involved in a time-out for > a period of cooling off, to think about

Re: [python-committers] CoC violation (was: Retire or reword the "Beautiful is better than ugly" Zen clause)

2018-09-21 Thread Donald Stufft
> On Sep 21, 2018, at 8:59 AM, Paul Moore wrote: > > On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 at 13:30, Donald Stufft wrote: >> So part of being and open and welcoming community, is knowing and >> understanding that words, images, etc like that can make people feel like >> we’re either a group that will

Re: [python-committers] CoC violation (was: Retire or reword the "Beautiful is better than ugly" Zen clause)

2018-09-21 Thread Paul Moore
On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 at 13:30, Donald Stufft wrote: > So part of being and open and welcoming community, is knowing and > understanding that words, images, etc like that can make people feel like > we’re either a group that will directly engage in those attacks that have > been associated with

Re: [python-committers] CoC violation (was: Retire or reword the "Beautiful is better than ugly" Zen clause)

2018-09-21 Thread Paul Moore
On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 at 13:26, Carol Willing wrote: > Context is important. I wonder though if the author's intent was constructive > comment... I'm sure it wasn't. But in context, it was a statement made in a thread that had long previously become nothing more than non-constructive invective.

Re: [python-committers] CoC violation (was: Retire or reword the "Beautiful is better than ugly" Zen clause)

2018-09-21 Thread Donald Stufft
> On Sep 21, 2018, at 8:01 AM, Paul Moore wrote: > > On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 at 12:38, Carol Willing wrote: > >> Much of the discussion here has focused on the use of a few words. >> >> IMHO, discussing violence, assault, and implying that its okay to accept and >> trivialize this violence do

Re: [python-committers] CoC violation (was: Retire or reword the "Beautiful is better than ugly" Zen clause)

2018-09-21 Thread Carol Willing
Hi Paul, Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Fear of speaking or fear of reading - both are not ideal. The balance of respectful discourse likely falls somewhere between the two. Context is important. I wonder though if the author's intent was constructive comment... On Fri, Sep 21, 2018, 8:01

Re: [python-committers] CoC violation (was: Retire or reword the "Beautiful is better than ugly" Zen clause)

2018-09-21 Thread Paul Moore
On Fri, 21 Sep 2018 at 12:38, Carol Willing wrote: > Much of the discussion here has focused on the use of a few words. > > IMHO, discussing violence, assault, and implying that its okay to accept and > trivialize this violence do not belong in posts about the Python language. > > From the

Re: [python-committers] CoC violation (was: Retire or reword the "Beautiful is better than ugly" Zen clause)

2018-09-21 Thread Carol Willing
> On Sep 21, 2018, at 7:07 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > > Le 21/09/2018 à 12:55, Christian Heimes a écrit : >> On 21/09/2018 12.46, Antoine Pitrou wrote: >>> >>> Le 21/09/2018 à 02:06, Nathaniel Smith a écrit : Now sure, that taboo is an American thing, and I wouldn't support