Re: [Python-Dev] Search-friendly shortcuts for Windows?

2010-12-21 Thread Terry Reedy
On 12/22/2010 1:21 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: Python 3.2 PyDoc Server (32 bit) is shorter. But since pydoc.py is has no 'bitness', PyDoc Server (Python 3.2 - 32 bit) is more in line with below - IDLE (Python 3.2 GUI - 32 bit) I think

Re: [Python-Dev] Search-friendly shortcuts for Windows?

2010-12-21 Thread Terry Reedy
On 12/22/2010 1:23 AM, Adal Chiriliuc wrote: Microsoft recommendations: Irrelevant. Avoid putting a version number in a program name unless that is how users normally refer to your program. Version numbers are the point of this issue, because people *do* have multiple version installed.

Re: [Python-Dev] Search-friendly shortcuts for Windows?

2010-12-21 Thread Eli Bendersky
> I put my initial proposal (reproduced below) at > http://bugs.python.org/issue10747. I'll let this thread run a bit and > see if there are any substantial improvements suggested, or valid > objections raised (I tried to pre-empt the length issue by pushing the > typically least important informat

Re: [Python-Dev] Search-friendly shortcuts for Windows?

2010-12-21 Thread Adal Chiriliuc
Microsoft recommendations: Avoid putting a version number in a program name unless that is how users normally refer to your program. Put only program shortcuts on the Start menu. Don't put shortcuts to the following items on the Start menu: - Program uninstallers. Users access uninstallers throug

Re: [Python-Dev] Search-friendly shortcuts for Windows?

2010-12-21 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: >    Python 3.2 PyDoc Server (32 bit) > is shorter. But since pydoc.py is has no 'bitness', > >    PyDoc Server (Python 3.2 - 32 bit) > is more in line with below > >> - IDLE (Python 3.2 GUI - 32 bit) > > I think of IDLE as an IDE, not a GUI, but

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r87433 - python/branches/py3k/Doc/reference/lexical_analysis.rst

2010-12-21 Thread Alexander Belopolsky
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: .. >>  A non-normative HTML file listing all valid identifier characters for >> Unicode >>  4.1 can be found at >> http://www.dcl.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/home/loewis/table-3131.html > > Has that file been updated for Unicode 6.0? Apparently not. In

Re: [Python-Dev] [Python-checkins] r87433 - python/branches/py3k/Doc/reference/lexical_analysis.rst

2010-12-21 Thread Terry Reedy
On 12/21/2010 8:37 PM, alexander.belopolsky wrote: Author: alexander.belopolsky Date: Wed Dec 22 02:37:36 2010 New Revision: 87433 Log: Both PEP 3131 and the current implementation use NFKC normalization for identifiers. Fixed the documentation to agree. Modified: python/branches/py3k/D

Re: [Python-Dev] Search-friendly shortcuts for Windows?

2010-12-21 Thread Terry Reedy
On 12/21/2010 7:01 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 6:36 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: Given the changing dynamics of the desktop launch menus to better support direct access as an alternative to hierarchical navigation, would it be reasonable to consider including the major versi

Re: [Python-Dev] r87389 - in python/branches/py3k: Doc/library/unittest.rst Lib/unittest/case.py Misc/NEWS

2010-12-21 Thread Terry Reedy
On 12/21/2010 7:17 AM, Michael Foord wrote: My first priority is that doc and code match. Close second is consistency (hence, ease of learning and use) between various AssertXs. Symmetrical diffs (element in first not in second, element in second not in first) solves the problem without impos

Re: [Python-Dev] r87389 - in python/branches/py3k: Doc/library/unittest.rst Lib/unittest/case.py Misc/NEWS

2010-12-21 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > I actually agree with Guido that anything we do is going to be > suboptimal in some way. Encouraging the actual/expected ordering and > updating the diff output so "expected=old" strikes me as least bad, > but using the neutral first/second te

Re: [Python-Dev] [python-committers] [RELEASED] Python 3.2 beta 2

2010-12-21 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 6:18 AM, Georg Brandl wrote: > Since PEP 3003, the Moratorium on Language Changes, is in effect, there > are no changes in Python's syntax and built-in types in Python 3.2. Minor nit - we actually did tweak a few of the builtin types a bit (mostly the stuff to improve Sequ

Re: [Python-Dev] r87389 - in python/branches/py3k: Doc/library/unittest.rst Lib/unittest/case.py Misc/NEWS

2010-12-21 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 11:17 PM, Michael Foord wrote: > On 21/12/2010 01:57, Nick Coghlan wrote: >> My own +1 goes to keeping the actual/expected terminology (and >> ordering) and adjusting the diffs accordingly (with a header noting >> that the diff is old=expected, new=actual). >> > > Well we d

Re: [Python-Dev] r87389 - in python/branches/py3k: Doc/library/unittest.rst Lib/unittest/case.py Misc/NEWS

2010-12-21 Thread Guido van Rossum
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 4:17 AM, Michael Foord wrote: > On 21/12/2010 01:57, Nick Coghlan wrote: >> >> On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 1:31 AM, Antoine Pitrou >>  wrote: Diffing is completely an implementation detail of how the failure messages are generated. The important thing is that fai

Re: [Python-Dev] r87389 - in python/branches/py3k: Doc/library/unittest.rst Lib/unittest/case.py Misc/NEWS

2010-12-21 Thread Glenn Linderman
On 12/21/2010 4:17 AM, Michael Foord wrote: Glenn Linderman wants (actual, expected) and diffing to follow that If you say that is what I said, fine. I might not have understood the example well enough to say the right thing. I liked Nick's explanation, using the actual and expected words i

[Python-Dev] [RELEASED] Python 3.2 beta 2

2010-12-21 Thread Georg Brandl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On behalf of the Python development team, I'm happy to announce the second beta preview release of Python 3.2. Python 3.2 is a continuation of the efforts to improve and stabilize the Python 3.x line. Since the final release of Python 2.7, the 2.x li

Re: [Python-Dev] r87389 - in python/branches/py3k: Doc/library/unittest.rst Lib/unittest/case.py Misc/NEWS

2010-12-21 Thread Michael Foord
On 21/12/2010 01:57, Nick Coghlan wrote: On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 1:31 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: Diffing is completely an implementation detail of how the failure messages are generated. The important thing is that failure messages make sense with respect to actual result and expected result. W

Re: [Python-Dev] Search-friendly shortcuts for Windows?

2010-12-21 Thread Nick Coghlan
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 6:36 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: >> Given the changing dynamics of the desktop launch menus to better >> support direct access as an alternative to hierarchical navigation, >> would it be reasonable to consider including the major version number >> in the start menu shortc