[Python-Dev] Re: PEP 632: Deprecate distutils module

2020-09-07 Thread Jim J. Jewett
Emily Bowman wrote: > If you can update to a breaking Python version, but aren't allowed one > single point version of an external module, you have a process problem. Agreed. Does it surprise you to know that many large organizations have a process problem? __

[Python-Dev] Re: PEP 632: Deprecate distutils module

2020-09-07 Thread Barry
> On 7 Sep 2020, at 14:28, Stefan Krah wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 07, 2020 at 11:43:41AM +0100, Steve Dower wrote: >> Rest assured, I am very aware of air-gapped and limited network systems, as >> well as corporate policies and processes. Having distutils in the standard >> library does not help w

[Python-Dev] Re: pty2

2020-09-07 Thread Terry Reedy
On 9/6/2020 10:38 PM, Soumendra Ganguly wrote: Hello. I am currently using a tiling window manager ( i3wm ). While using pty.spawn(), resizing xterm's X window also resizes the underlying terminal size; as a result, output of commands such as ls(1) become incorrectly laid out, making them

[Python-Dev] Re: PEP 632: Deprecate distutils module

2020-09-07 Thread Stefan Krah
On Mon, Sep 07, 2020 at 02:40:40PM +0100, Steve Dower wrote: > > Air-gapped systems were just an illustration of the problem. I did not > > anticipate that people would take it as the centerpiece of my arguments. > > Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that - I used "limited network" to capture the > re

[Python-Dev] Re: PEP 632: Deprecate distutils module

2020-09-07 Thread Pradyun Gedam
On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 5:14 PM Edwin Zimmerman wrote: > The point remains that these situations exist where it is simply > impossible to run 'pip install xyz' due to network restrictions. I know > this firsthand because I have written software for enforcing total internet > blocks. > I'm not su

[Python-Dev] Re: PEP 632: Deprecate distutils module

2020-09-07 Thread Steve Dower
On 07Sep2020 1424, Stefan Krah wrote: On Mon, Sep 07, 2020 at 11:43:41AM +0100, Steve Dower wrote: Rest assured, I am very aware of air-gapped and limited network systems, as well as corporate policies and processes. Having distutils in the standard library does not help with any of these. Of

[Python-Dev] Re: PEP 632: Deprecate distutils module

2020-09-07 Thread Stefan Krah
On Mon, Sep 07, 2020 at 11:43:41AM +0100, Steve Dower wrote: > Rest assured, I am very aware of air-gapped and limited network systems, as > well as corporate policies and processes. Having distutils in the standard > library does not help with any of these. Of course it helps. You can develop ex

[Python-Dev] Re: PEP 632: Deprecate distutils module

2020-09-07 Thread Steve Dower
Thanks everyone for your input so far. Rest assured, I am very aware of air-gapped and limited network systems, as well as corporate policies and processes. Having distutils in the standard library does not help with any of these. Do not forget that pip (and presently, though not permanently,