On Mon, Sep 07, 2020 at 02:40:40PM +0100, Steve Dower wrote:
> > Air-gapped systems were just an illustration of the problem. I did not
> > anticipate that people would take it as the centerpiece of my arguments.
> 
> Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that - I used "limited network" to capture the
> rest. I make exactly the same arguments at work from your side for many
> other situations, so if you'd like I can give you an even more exhaustive
> list of scenarios where we can't rely on highly available internet :)
> 
> And yet despite that, I think in this case you're clutching at straws. Sure,
> you can develop extensions without any third party packages, but you can't
> develop them with *supported* first party packages.

I'm under the impression that distutils has effectively been frozen for
the last decade, except for the substantial improvements you made for the
MSVC part.

For Unix, no one has addressed e.g. C++ support. The underlying reason
has always been that we cannot change anything lest it breaks someone's
package.


So I have some trouble understanding why we have exercised that kind
of restraint (I might have committed a very small C++ patch otherwise)
if we can now break everything at once.


> Unless you're offering to take over distutils maintenance? In which case,
> I'll happily withdraw the PEP :)

No, thanks. :)

I've looked at the log, most maintenance patches are from a variety of
active core devs (this includes, of course, the MSVC patches from you).

Will they submit patches to setuptools from now on?


Stefan Krah

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