On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 6:39 AM, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote:
Or in other words, if dicts are to be ordered, let's make it an explicit
language feature that we can measure compliance against.
Guaranteeing a dict order would be tough on Jython - today it's nice
that we can just have a
On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Ethan Furman et...@stoneleaf.us wrote:
In order for the Enum convenience function to be pickleable, we have this
line of code in the metaclass:
enum_class.__module__ = sys._getframe(1).f_globals['__name__']
This works fine for Cpython, but what about the
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 11:33 PM, Simon Cross hodgestar+python...@gmail.com
wrote:
Having a standalone version of IDLE might be really useful to
alternative Python implementations.
I suspect it's too hard. I remember seeing some work on anygui.py that
looked like an attempt to make these
On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 8:23 AM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
I think a federated repo model in general is something we need to
consider, it's not something we should consider IDLE specific.
I would love to have a federated repo model. I have recently made the
attempt to port the
Hi all,
I won't be able to make it to the summit and probably not the
conference. I have a raging 104F fever (40C for many of you =)
The doctor says I have influenza and am highly contagious, so I
shouldn't be going anywhere near conference full of people for five
days - looks like I'm missing
On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Jeff Hardy jdha...@gmail.com wrote:
I think you misremembered - there's lots of code that uses
`sys.platform == 'win32'` to detect Windows, but sys.platform is 'cli'
for IronPython. I'm pretty sure `os.name has always been 'nt' (when
running on Windows), and if
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 8:55 AM, fwierzbi...@gmail.com
fwierzbi...@gmail.com wrote:
I've been thinking that this is a bit of a historical mistake on our
part. I'm strongly considering setting os.name properly in Jython3.
In fairness to Jython implementers past - it wasn't a mistake
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote:
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 3:17 PM, fwierzbi...@gmail.com
fwierzbi...@gmail.com wrote:
It would be nice in this particular case if there was a zlib.py that
imported _zlib -- then it would be easy to shim in Jython's version
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 7:37 PM, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote:
On Feb 27, 2013, at 11:33 AM, fwierzbi...@gmail.com wrote:
I am suggesting that we push forward on the shared library approach to the
files in the Lib/* directory, so that would certainly include IronPython and
PyPy as well I
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 1:15 AM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Barry Warsaw ba...@python.org wrote:
On Feb 27, 2013, at 11:33 AM, fwierzbi...@gmail.com wrote:
The easy part for Jython is pushing some of our if is_jython: stuff
into the appropriate spots
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 1:30 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
Le Wed, 27 Feb 2013 11:33:30 -0800,
fwierzbi...@gmail.com fwierzbi...@gmail.com a écrit :
There are a couple of spots that might be more controversial. For
example, Jython has a file Lib/zlib.py that implements zlib
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Chris Jerdonek
chris.jerdo...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 1:30 AM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
Le Wed, 27 Feb 2013 11:33:30 -0800,
fwierzbi...@gmail.com fwierzbi...@gmail.com a écrit :
There are a couple of spots that might be more
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:46 AM, fwierzbi...@gmail.com
fwierzbi...@gmail.com wrote:
Agreed on those problems. Would it be possible to use a design
pattern in these cases so the Jython-only code wouldn't need to be
part of the CPython repo? A naive example would be refactoring zlib
to allow
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote:
IMHO, we should remove the plat-* directories, they are completely
unmaintained, undocumented, and serve no useful purpose.
Oh I didn't know that - so definitely adding to that is right out :)
Really for cases like
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 8:51 AM, Michael Foord mich...@voidspace.org.uk wrote:
If you have other items you'd like to discuss please let me know and I can
add them to the agenda.
I'd like to discuss merging Jython's standard Lib (the *.py files). We
have in the past had agreement that this
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:21 AM, Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote:
Do you mean more generally getting more pure Python implementations of
modules in the stdlib? If so then as a reference there is
http://bugs.python.org/issue16651 which lists the modules in the stdlib w/
only extension
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Maciej Fijalkowski fij...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi
We recently encountered a performance issue in stdlib for pypy. It
turned out that someone commited a performance fix that uses += for
strings instead of .join() that was there before.
Now this hurts pypy (we can
On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Armin Rigo ar...@tunes.org wrote:
Technically, I could see Python switching to ordered dictionaries
everywhere. Raymond's insight suddenly makes it easy for CPython and
PyPy, and at least Jython could use the LinkedHashMap class (although
this would need
On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 3:13 PM, fwierzbi...@gmail.com
fwierzbi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Armin Rigo ar...@tunes.org wrote:
Technically, I could see Python switching to ordered dictionaries
everywhere. Raymond's insight suddenly makes it easy for CPython and
PyPy
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote:
I see nothing about ast possibly being CPython only. Should there be?
Time to ask the other VMs what they are currently doing (the ast module came
into existence in Python 2.6 so all the VMs should be answer the question
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 1:05 PM, fwierzbi...@gmail.com
fwierzbi...@gmail.com wrote:
2.5+ contains
I should have said *Jython* 2.5+
-Frank
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On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote:
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 1:05 PM, fwierzbi...@gmail.com
fwierzbi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote:
I see nothing about ast possibly being CPython only. Should
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote:
Direct. There is an AST grammar file that gets compiled into C and Python
objects which are used by the compiler (c version) or exposed to users
(Python version).
At the risk of making you repeat yourself, and just to be
Thanks Brett, that cleared everything up for me! And indeed it is what
I'm thinking of doing for Jython (Minimal nodes for the compiler and
parallel PyObjects for Python).
-Frank
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On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 12:54 AM, Raymond Hettinger
raymond.hettin...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello all,
I'll soon be starting the edits of Whatsnew for 3.3.
When I did this for 3.2, it took over 150 hours of work to research all the
changes. This time there are many more changes, so my previous
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
To allow easier transition to a separate list (if that seems necessary
at a later date), my preferred colour for the bikeshed is
[compatibility-sig].
I for one approve of this bikeshed colour :)
-Frank
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 9:38 AM, Alex Gaynor alex.gay...@gmail.com wrote:
For PyPy: I'm not an expert in our import, but from looking at the source
1) imp.cache_from_source is unimplemented, it's an AttributeError.
Jython does not (yet) have a cache_from_source.
2) sys.dont_write_bytecode is
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 10:04 AM, fwierzbi...@gmail.com
fwierzbi...@gmail.com wrote:
Jython does support sys.dont_write_bytecode, but doesn't support
sys.dont_read_bytecode yet - do you happen to know when
dont_read_bytecode was added? It should be pretty straightforward, and
so I'll probably
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote:
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Eric Snow ericsnowcurren...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote:
I should mention another option is to add sys.dont_read_bytecode (I
On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 11:58 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
1. Asking on python-dev is considered adequate. If an implementation
wants to be consulted on changes, one or more of their developers
*must* follow python-dev sufficiently closely that they don't miss
cross-VM
On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 9:22 AM, Jeff Hardy jdha...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Matti Picus matti.pi...@gmail.com wrote:
The windows port of pypy makes special demands on stdlib, specifically that
files are explicitly closed. There are some other minor issues, in order to
On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 10:59 AM, Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote:
R. David already replied to this, but just to reiterate: tests can always
get updated, and code that fixes a bug (and leaving a file open can be
considered a bug) can also go in. It's just stuff like code refactoring,
speed
On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Eric Snow ericsnowcurren...@gmail.com wrote:
This would have been handy for feedback on sys.implementation.
FWIW I followed the discussion and am happy with the result :)
-Frank
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On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Victor Stinner victor.stin...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
During the Language Summit 2011 (*), it was discussed that PyPy and
Jython don't support non-string key in type dict. An issue was open to
emit a warning on such dict, but the patch has not been commited yet.
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Brett Cannon br...@python.org wrote:
Doing a release every 6 months that includes updates to the stdlib and
bugfixes to the language/VM also benefits other VMs by getting compatibility
fixes in faster. All of the other VM maintainers have told me that keeping
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
On 9/8/2011 6:15 PM, fwierzbi...@gmail.com wrote:
Oops, forgot to add the link for the gory details for Java and 2 byte
unicode:
http://java.sun.com/developer/technicalArticles/Intl/Supplementary/
This is dated 2004
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
I am curious how you index by code point rather than code unit with 16-bit
code units and how it compares with the method I posted. Is there anything I
can read? Reply off list if you want.
I'll post on-list until someone
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote:
I, for one, am very interested. It sounds like the 'unicode' datatype
in Jython does not in fact have O(1) indexing characteristics if the
string contains any characters in the astral plane. Interesting. I
wonder if you
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote:
I have a different question about IronPython and Jython now. Do their
regular expression libraries support Unicode better than CPython's?
E.g. does . match a surrogate pair? Tom C suggests that Java's regex
libraries get
Oops, forgot to add the link for the gory details for Java and 2 byte unicode:
http://java.sun.com/developer/technicalArticles/Intl/Supplementary/
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On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Guido van Rossum gu...@python.org wrote:
I have a different question about IronPython and Jython now. Do their
regular expression libraries support Unicode better than CPython's?
E.g. does . match a surrogate pair? Tom C suggests that Java's regex
libraries get
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 6:37 AM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
1. Making docstring an attribute of the Function node rather than
leaving it embedded as the first statement in the suite (this avoids
issues where AST-based constant folding could potentially corrupt the
docstring)
2.
As a re-implementor of ast.py that tries to be node for node
compatible, I'm fine with #1 but would really like to have tests that
will fail in test_ast.py to alert me!
-Frank
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