Re: [Python-Dev] Enable Hostname and Certificate Chain Validation

> On Jan 22, 2014, at 5:30 AM, "M.-A. Lemburg" wrote: > >> On 22.01.2014 11:56, Donald Stufft wrote: >> >>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 5:51 AM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >>> On 22.01.2014 11:30, Donald Stufft wrote: I would like to propose that a backwards incompatible change be made to

Re: [Python-Dev] Enable Hostname and Certificate Chain Validation

> On Jan 22, 2014, at 6:58 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: > >> On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 11:15 PM, Donald Stufft wrote: >> Do you really think those people would be making the same complaints >> if they could restore the previous behavior with a simple boolean flag >> delivered either via environment

Re: [Python-Dev] Enable Hostname and Certificate Chain Validation

> On Jan 22, 2014, at 8:03 AM, Christian Heimes wrote: > >> On 22.01.2014 14:55, Donald Stufft wrote: >> As an additional side note, anecdotal evidence and what not, but >> *every* time I bring this up somewhere I get at least one reply >> that looks similar to >> https://twitter.com/ojiidotch

Re: [Python-Dev] Enable Hostname and Certificate Chain Validation

On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Donald Stufft wrote: > Never mind. If someone else cares they can propose it. I withdraw. > I'll throw writing a PEP for 3.5 to do this following the deprecation policy on my todo list so 3.4 fixing can move on. I needed to brush up on my ReST anyway.

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3 marketing document?

fwiw, I'm offering the keys/account/etc for getpython3.com to whomever has the time to keep it fresh and up to date. On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 8:36 AM, Wes Turner wrote: > Hardly marketing documents, but potentially useful nonetheless: > > http://docs.python.org/3.4/whatsnew/index.html > > https://

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 3 marketing document?

I'm giving AMK the keys to the kingdom right now: AMK: Feel free to go nuts. Email me your public key On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote: > On 24/01/2014 16:37, Jesse Noller wrote: >> >> fwiw, I'm offering the keys/account/etc for getpython3.com to wh

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 466: Proposed policy change for handling network security enhancements

> On Mar 23, 2014, at 7:03 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > >> On Mar 23, 2014, at 08:00 AM, Skip Montanaro wrote: >> >> I'm unclear how this would be better than just biting the bullet and >> making a 2.8 release. On the one hand, the 2.7.x number suggests >> (based on the existing release protocol)

Re: [Python-Dev] XML DoS vulnerabilities and exploits in Python

On Feb 20, 2013, at 6:22 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On Wed, 20 Feb 2013 18:21:22 -0500 > Donald Stufft wrote: >> On Wednesday, February 20, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: It's not a distributed DoS issue, it's a severe DoS vulnerabilities. A single 1 kB XML document can kill

Re: [Python-Dev] XML DoS vulnerabilities and exploits in Python

On Feb 21, 2013, at 5:32 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > Le Thu, 21 Feb 2013 11:18:35 +0100, > Christian Heimes a écrit : >> Am 21.02.2013 08:42, schrieb Antoine Pitrou: >>> Sure, but in many instances, rebooting a machine is not >>> business-threatening. You will have a couple of minutes' downtim

Re: [Python-Dev] Python Language Summit at PyCon: Agenda

On Feb 27, 2013, at 3:20 PM, anatoly techtonik wrote: > > * security by obscurity in legal position of PSF towards contributors > https://code.google.com/legal/individual-cla-v1.0.html >vs > http://www.python.org/psf/contrib/contrib-form/ + > http://www.samurajdata.se/opensource/mirro

Re: [Python-Dev] Python Language Summit at PyCon: Agenda

On Feb 28, 2013, at 6:42 AM, Stefan Krah wrote: > Jesse Noller wrote: >> http://www.python.org/psf/contrib/contrib-form/ + http://opensource.org/ >>licenses/apache2.0.php >> and why PSF doesn't comply the 4. Redistribution clause from Apache 2.0 >&g

Re: [Python-Dev] Python Language Summit at PyCon: Agenda

On Feb 28, 2013, at 6:55 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > Le Thu, 28 Feb 2013 06:48:24 -0500, > Jesse Noller a écrit : >>> >>> Perhaps it's an idea to have a python-legal mailing list for these >>> topics? >>> >>> I don't think it&#x

Re: [Python-Dev] Python Language Summit at PyCon: Agenda

On Feb 28, 2013, at 7:23 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > Le Thu, 28 Feb 2013 06:57:36 -0500, > Jesse Noller a écrit : >> >> On Feb 28, 2013, at 6:55 AM, Antoine Pitrou >> wrote: >> >>> Le Thu, 28 Feb 2013 06:48:24 -0500, >>> Jesse Noller a écr

Re: [Python-Dev] Python Language Summit at PyCon: Agenda

On Feb 28, 2013, at 7:31 AM, Jesse Noller wrote: > > > On Feb 28, 2013, at 7:23 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > >> Le Thu, 28 Feb 2013 06:57:36 -0500, >> Jesse Noller a écrit : >>> >>> On Feb 28, 2013, at 6:55 AM, Antoine Pitrou >>>

Re: [Python-Dev] Python Language Summit at PyCon: Agenda

On Feb 28, 2013, at 8:03 AM, "Stephen J. Turnbull" wrote: > Stefan Krah writes: > >> Why would [the PSF list] help to resolve such an issue (if it is an >> issue at all!) > > Precisely. > > If there *is* a compliance problem, there's nothing to be done before > talking to the lawyers. Altho

[Python-Dev] New mailing list: Python-legal-sig

See: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-legal-sig Open archives. As the header says this is for the discussion of CLA/other issues. If specific legal questions or alterations to Python/the PSF trademarks, CLA/etc are requested those *must* be sent to [email protected] for board overs

Re: [Python-Dev] Python Language Summit at PyCon: Agenda

On Thursday, February 28, 2013 at 7:26 AM, Stefan Krah wrote: > Jesse Noller mailto:[email protected])> wrote: > > > > We have one: [email protected] (mailto:[email protected]) > > > > > > > > > > > > That's not exactly a public mailing

Re: [Python-Dev] Python Language Summit at PyCon: Agenda

On Thursday, February 28, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Stefan Krah wrote: > Jesse Noller mailto:[email protected])> wrote: > > > Why would it help to resolve such an issue (if it is an issue at all!) > > > for a single person on a private mailing list? > > > > >

Re: [Python-Dev] Official github mirror for CPython?

Email me the name of the repo you want, and your github username (preferably off list so I don't miss it!) and I will set you up Eli On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Eli Bendersky wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 7:48 AM, Brian Curtin wrote: >> >> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Christia

Re: [Python-Dev] Getting Tulip (PEP 3156) into the 3.4 stdlib, marked provisional, named asyncio

> On Sep 28, 2013, at 12:59 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > > It sounds like a reasonable approach to me. > > In terms of naming, would you consider "concurrent.asyncio"? When we created > that parent namespace for futures, one of the other suggested submodules > discussed was the standard event l

Re: [Python-Dev] Pycon and Randall Munroe

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Aahz wrote: >> On Mon, Feb 09, 2009, Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven wrote: >>> >>> Whoever thought this one up [1], thank you for making me almost choke on my >>> meal due to laughing fits. :-) >>> >>> [1]

Re: [Python-Dev] multiprocessing not compatible with functional.partial

On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Calvin Spealman wrote: > On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Christian Heimes wrote: >> Neal Becker schrieb: >>> If the argument to pool.map (f, args) >>> is >>> f = functional.partial (my_func, some_keyword_arg=whatever) >>> >>> I get: >>> >>> Traceback (most recent

Re: [Python-Dev] multiprocessing not compatible with functional.partial

On Feb 12, 2009, at 10:58 AM, Neal Becker wrote: Is it possible to get a better error message (regarding the pickle- ability)? Sure, most of the time it does have a better error msg. ___ Python-Dev mailing list [email protected] http://mail

[Python-Dev] 3.0.1 and 2.6.2

I'm afraid I've gone branch-stupid. I have a a few changes that should be on the boat for the next release, but I can't for the life of me remember which branch to push to - right now the changes are on trunk and py3k. -jesse ___ Python-Dev mailing list

Re: [Python-Dev] 3.0.1 and 2.6.2

On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > Jesse Noller gmail.com> writes: >> >> I'm afraid I've gone branch-stupid. I have a a few changes that should >> be on the boat for the next release, but I can't for the life of me >> remember wh

Re: [Python-Dev] 3.0.1 and 2.6.2

On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Feb 12, 2009, at 1:29 PM, Jesse Noller wrote: > >> On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Antoine Pitrou >> wrote: >>> >>> Jesse Noller gmai

Re: [Python-Dev] 3.0.1 and 2.6.2

On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Feb 12, 2009, at 1:44 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: > >> What about the segfault problem? Shouldn't that get in? > > If it can be done without a regression, yes. Do it now and that will give >

Re: [Python-Dev] Forgotten Py3.0 change to remove Queue.empty() and Queue.full()

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Tennessee Leeuwenburg wrote: > Hi Jesse, > > I'm not sure what the most appropriate thing to do is. I could: >   (a) leave any multiprocessing changes to you, >   (b) alter the functioning of the method queue_empty inside > test_multiprocessing to test for emptiness

Re: [Python-Dev] Forgotten Py3.0 change to remove Queue.empty() and Queue.full()

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Steve Holden wrote: > Jesse Noller wrote: > [...]I'll take it from anyone. >> > And we can *quote* you on that? > > regards >  Steve As long as it's not on a t-shirt, I should be OK.

Re: [Python-Dev] Forgotten Py3.0 change to remove Queue.empty() and Queue.full()

On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 7:19 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: >>> I disagree that our users are served by constantly breaking the >>> API, and removing stuff just because we can. I can't see how >>> removing API can possibly serve a user. >> >> Am not following you here.  My suggestion was to remove th

Re: [Python-Dev] Multiprocessing on Solaris

Known issue: http://bugs.python.org/issue3110 I haven't had time to look into it, I was planning on working on many of the mp bugs during the sprint at pycon. On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 8:18 PM, Christian Heimes wrote: > Hello fellow co-developers! > > Today I was in contact with a Python user who

Re: [Python-Dev] Multiprocessing on Solaris

On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Christian Heimes wrote: > Martin v. Löwis schrieb: >>> Today I was in contact with a Python user who tried to compile >>> pyprocessing - the ancestor of multiprocessing - on Solaris. It failed >>> to run because Solaris is missing two features (HAVE_FD_TRANSFER and

Re: [Python-Dev] Multiprocessing on Solaris

On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 9:51 PM, wrote: >    Jesse> Known issue: > >    Jesse> http://bugs.python.org/issue3110 > >    Jesse> I haven't had time to look into it, I was planning on working on >    Jesse> many of the mp bugs during the sprint at pycon. > > Jesse, I will be at the sprints for a coup

Re: [Python-Dev] Multiprocessing on Solaris

On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Christian Heimes wrote: > Martin v. Löwis wrote: >> I think multiprocessing is misguided in hard-coding these settings >> into setup.py. As we can see, the necessary features are available >> on some versions of Solaris, but not on others. It would be better >> if

Re: [Python-Dev] "setuptools has divided the Python community"

Yes it's on the agenda On Mar 25, 2009, at 12:46 PM, [email protected] wrote: Is setuptools/distutils/whatever on the agenda for the tomorrow's language summit? Or is there some other get-together at PyCon for this? Skip ___ Python-Dev mailing list P

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 380 (yield from a subgenerator) comments

On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 5:56 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > Greg Ewing canterbury.ac.nz> writes: >> >> It's not really about doing away with trampolines anyway. >> You still need at least one trampoline-like thing at the >> top. What you do away with is the need for creating >> special objects to yi

[Python-Dev] 3to2 Project

During the Language summit this past Thursday, pretty much everyone agreed that a python 3 to python 2 tool would be a very large improvement in helping developers be able to write "pure" python 3 code. The idea being a large project such as Django could completely cut over to Python3, but then run

Re: [Python-Dev] 3to2 Project

On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Collin Winter wrote: > On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Jesse Noller wrote: >> During the Language summit this past Thursday, pretty much everyone >> agreed that a python 3 to python 2 tool would be a very large >> improvement in helping

Re: [Python-Dev] Test failures under Windows?

On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 4:07 PM, David Bolen wrote: > Kristján Valur Jónsson writes: > >> Btw, I am working on finding out the test suite failures for >> test_multiprocessing. > > This is all well and good, but I still haven't seen any plausible > reason for not preventing these popups (in favor

Re: [Python-Dev] Test failures under Windows?

2009/3/31 Kristján Valur Jónsson : > Right, my question to microsoft was more about making sure that a > __crtMessageBox() actually does nothing, when running unattended as a service. > > Also, we should be seeing the same problem in non-debug versions, since the > _set_invalid_parameter_handler(

Re: [Python-Dev] Test failures under Windows?

nderlying fh was being correctly closed.  This caused the CRT to assert when > cleaning up FILE pointers on subprocess exit. > I fixed this this afternoon in a submission to the py3k branch. > > K > > -Original Message- > From: Jesse Noller [mailto:[email protected]] &g

Re: [Python-Dev] Tools

On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 10:58 PM, Jack diederich wrote: > On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 10:50 PM,   wrote: >>    Barry> Someone asked me at Pycon about stripping out Demos and Tools. >> >>    Matthias> +1, but please for 2.7 and 3.1 only. >> >> Is there a list of other demos or tools which should be delet

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 382: Namespace Packages

On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 4:33 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > On 2009-04-02 17:32, Martin v. Löwis wrote: >> I propose the following PEP for inclusion to Python 3.1. > > Thanks for picking this up. > > I'd like to extend the proposal to Python 2.7 and later. > -1 to adding it to the 2.x series. There wa

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 382: Namespace Packages

On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Apr 6, 2009, at 9:21 AM, Jesse Noller wrote: > >> On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 4:33 PM, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >>> >>> On 2009-04-02 17:32, Martin

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 382: Namespace Packages

On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 12:28 PM, R. David Murray wrote: > On Mon, 6 Apr 2009 at 12:00, Jesse Noller wrote: >> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote: >>> >>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >>> Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> On

Re: [Python-Dev] What's missing from easy_install

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Neal Becker wrote: > 1. easy_remove! > > 2. Various utilities to provide query package management. >   - easy_install --list (list files installed) This discussion should happen on the distutils-sig list; not python-dev _

Re: [Python-Dev] Issues with process and discussions (Re: Issues with Py3.1's new ipaddr)

On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Michael Foord wrote: > Paul Moore wrote: >> >> 2009/6/3  : >> >>> >>> So, here are my recommendations: >>> >>>  1. Use the tracker for discussing tickets, so that it's easy to refer >>> back >>> to a previous point in the discussion, and so that people working on >>

Re: [Python-Dev] SSL Certificate Validation

On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 3:23 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: >> I have a few questions about validating SSL certificates. From what I >> gather, this validation occurs in the OpenSSL code called from _ssl.c. >> Is this correct? > > This question is really off-topic for python-dev. As a python-dev > po

Re: [Python-Dev] SSL Certificate Validation

On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Devin Cook wrote: >> But I really do believe that this is what he need to do next: >> familiarize himself with OpenSSL. There is a lot of APIs in that >> library, and it takes a while (i.e.: several months) to get >> productive, in particular since OpenSSL doesn't h

[Python-Dev] Anyone against having a loop option for regrtest?

Something that's been helping me squirrel out "wacky" and "fun" bugs in multiprocessing is running the tests in a loop - sometimes hundreds of times. Right now, I hack this up with a bash script, but I'm sitting here wondering if adding a "loop for x iterations" option to regrtest.py would be usefu

Re: [Python-Dev] Anyone against having a loop option for regrtest?

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:23 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Jesse Noller writes: > >  > Any thoughts? Does anyone hate this idea with the power of a thousand suns? > > If somebody has the power of 1000 Suns at their disposal, maybe they > can contribute a few buildbots? &g

Re: [Python-Dev] Update to Python Documentation Website Request

On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 5:43 AM, wrote: > >> Raising it without at least glancing at the list archives which hold >> copious amounts of virtual text on that topic is somewhat inappropriate >> though :) > > Well I have consulted every available expert on the distutils list to the > point where I fe

Re: [Python-Dev] Replacing PyWin32's PeekNamedPipe, ReadFile, and WriteFile

On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Jean-Paul Calderone wrote: > On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:23:56 +0200, Christian Heimes > wrote: >> >> Nick Coghlan wrote: >>> >>> I see ctypes as largely useful when you want to call a native DLL but >>> don't have any existing infrastructure for accessing native code f

Re: [Python-Dev] Update to Python Documentation Website Request

On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 2:36 AM, David Lyon wrote: > On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 10:56:20 +1000, Nick Coghlan > wrote: >> The words "eggs" brings with it a whole lot more baggage than just the >> sum of the technical parts in the language core that support them >> (primarily distutils and zipimport). > >

[Python-Dev] PyCon 2010: Call for Proposals

Yup! It's that time again, I'm encouraging anyone involved in core development, or wanting to talk about core development - or python-core internals to submit talk proposals. Lots of people have expressed interest in such talks. -jesse Call for proposals -- PyCon 2010 --

Re: [Python-Dev] 3to2 0.1 alpha 1 released

On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Benjamin Peterson wrote: > 2009/8/27 Brett Cannon : >> What are the plans to merge this into Python's repository so we can >> all help out on this? > > None at the moment. I think the community needs to show its interest > in it and Joe his willingness to maintain i

Re: [Python-Dev] 3to2 0.1 alpha 1 released

On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 7:43 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: >>> None at the moment. I think the community needs to show its interest >>> in it and Joe his willingness to maintain it in the future in order >>> for it to qualify for addition to the stdlib. >> >> Is that how 2to3 got in? If I remember c

Re: [Python-Dev] evolving the SSL module API

There's also the patch to httplib that Devin Cook has been working on for SSL enhancements, some of which do name checking. He's got most of a patch completed. On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Bill Janssen wrote: > Heikki, I'm OK with this, too.  would you like to propose an extended > API for th

Re: [Python-Dev] Misc/maintainers.rst

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Georg Brandl wrote: > R. David Murray schrieb: >> I floated a proposal on stdlib-sig to create a file named >> Misc/maintainers.rst.  The purpose of this file is to collect knowledge >> about who knows which modules well enough to make decision about issues >> in t

Re: [Python-Dev] Misc/maintainers.rst

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 7:26 PM, A.M. Kuchling wrote: > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 11:32:25PM +0200, Georg Brandl wrote: >> > Should we do something similar with the FAQs at >> > http://www.python.org/doc/faq/ ? >> >> They would then go into the main docs, I guess? > > That would make sense.  However

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.6.3

On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Sep 19, 2009, at 2:51 PM, qwavel wrote: > >> What about this bug: >> http://bugs.python.org/issue3890 >> It appears to me that the SSL module is broken in the 2.6.x line on all >> platforms in one of its most common uses (non-blocking).  It

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 389: argparse - new command line parsing module

On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: > I am going to state upfront that I am +1 for this and I encouraged > Steven to submit this PEP on the stdlib-SIG. I still remember watching > Steven's lightning talk at PyCon 2009 on argparse and being impressed > by it (along with the rest of

Re: [Python-Dev] eggs now mandatory for pypi?

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:43 AM, Fredrik Lundh wrote: > it's revews like this that makes me wonder if releasing open source is > a good idea: > >   no egg - worst seen ever, remove it from pypi or provide an egg > (jensens, 2009-10-05, 0 points) > > Unfortunately; we're now staring down the barre

Re: [Python-Dev] eggs now mandatory for pypi?

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Georg Brandl wrote: > Jesse Noller schrieb: >> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:43 AM, Fredrik Lundh wrote: >>> it's revews like this that makes me wonder if releasing open source is >>> a good idea: >>> >>>   no egg -

Re: [Python-Dev] eggs now mandatory for pypi?

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Jesse Noller wrote: >> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Georg Brandl wrote: >>> Jesse Noller schrieb: >>>> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:43 AM, Fredrik Lundh >>>&g

Re: [Python-Dev] Distutils and Distribute roadmap (and some words on Virtualenv, Pip)

On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Michael Foord wrote: > Simon Cross wrote: >> >>  On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Tarek Ziadé >> wrote: >> >>> >>> = Virtualenv and the multiple version support in Distribute = >>> >> >> ... >> >>> >>> My opinion is that this tool exists only because Python doesn't

Re: [Python-Dev] Top-posting on this list

On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > If others are willing to play bad cop, as Aahz did, I'd be very happy > to accept the benefit of a cleaned-up list.  But I'm not willing to do > it myself. Is it really that big of an issue that we have to discuss it ad-infinitum and

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.6.4rc1

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Oct 7, 2009, at 1:26 PM, Scott Dial wrote: > >> I suspect this release is primarily to quench the problems with >> distutils, but.. >> >> http://bugs.python.org/issue5949 >> >> doesn't seem to have been addressed by you. And this seems like

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.6.4rc1

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Oct 15, 2009, at 9:05 AM, Jesse Noller wrote: > >> Here's another one barry: >> >> http://bugs.python.org/issue7120 >> >> We should get this in - it's a regression I introduced awhile ago f

Re: [Python-Dev] Possible language summit topic: buildbots

On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 8:48 AM, C. Titus Brown wrote: > [ x-posting to testing-in-python; please redirect followups to one list or > the other! ] > > Hi Mark, > > a few bits of information... > > --- > > I have a set of VM machines running some "core" build archs -- Linux, Mac OS > X, > Win XP,

Re: [Python-Dev] Retrieve an arbitrary element from a set withoutremoving it

On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Raymond Hettinger wrote: >> P.S.  It is weird that this thread is gaining traction at the same >> time as the moratorium thread.  Go figure :-) > > I'm beginning to think maybe adding a method to a built-

Re: [Python-Dev] Retrieve an arbitrary element from a set withoutremoving it

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 3:06 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > On Oct 27, 2009, at 2:50 PM, Terry Reedy wrote more and more and more and > more and more and more and more and more and more: > > This topic needs its own flippin' newsgroup. > > S Don't like it? Mute the conversation (thank you gma

Re: [Python-Dev] "Buildbot" category on the tracker

On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 7:04 PM, wrote: > On 02:30 pm, [email protected] wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> What do you think of creating a "buildbot" category in the tracker? There >> are >> often problems on specific buildbots which would be nice to track, but >> there's >> nowhere to do so. > > Is yo

Re: [Python-Dev] "Buildbot" category on the tracker

On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 8:31 PM, R. David Murray wrote: > I'd say that particular one is a bug in the tests.  If /dev/shm is > not available and is required, then the tests should be skipped with > an appropriate message.  It would also secondarily be an issue with > the buildbot fleet, since mul

Re: [Python-Dev] "Buildbot" category on the tracker

On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 4:53 AM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: > I'm confused: first you said they fail, now you say they get skipped. > Which one is it? I agree with R. David's analysis: if they fail, it's > a multiprocessing bug, if they get skipped, it's a flaw in the build > slave configuration (b

Re: [Python-Dev] "Buildbot" category on the tracker

On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:15 AM, wrote: > On 12:55 pm, [email protected] wrote: >> >> On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 4:53 AM, "Martin v. Löwis" >> wrote: >>> >>> I'm confused: first you said they fail, now you say they get skipped. >>> Which one is it? I agree with R. David's analysis: if they fail, i

Re: [Python-Dev] EC2 buildslaves

On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 8:06 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > >> OTOH, that isn't that expensive (compared to the other PSF expenses), >> plus people keep donating money, so when we say what we use it for, >> there may be a larger return than just the test results. >> >> OTTH, the same could be achieved

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 3003 - Python Language Moratorium

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > I've checked draft (!) PEP 3003, "Python Language Moratorium", into > SVN. As authors I've listed Jesse, Brett and myself. > > On python-ideas the moratorium idea got fairly positive responses > (more positive than I'd expected, in fact) b

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 3003 - Python Language Moratorium

On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: > On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 23:05, Guido van Rossum wrote: >> I haven't seen substantial opposition against the PEP -- in fact I >> can't recall any, and many people have explicitly posted in support of >> it. So unless opposition suddenly appea

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 3003 - Python Language Moratorium

On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: >> >> I'm against restricting deprecation warnings within the stdlib as part >> of this. I actually want more things cleaned up and possibly >> deprecated. That being said, a deprecation warning just means we will >> remove it One Day - anyt

Re: [Python-Dev] People want CPAN :-)

On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 9:30 AM, [email protected] wrote: > On Nov 7, 2009, at 3:20 AM, Ben Finney wrote: > >> Guido van Rossum writes: >> >>> On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 2:52 PM, David Lyon >>> wrote: >> I think buildbot-style test runs for PyPI packages would raise average >> package quality

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 3003 - Python Language Moratorium

On Nov 8, 2009, at 7:01 PM, geremy condra wrote: On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 11:14:59 am Steven D'Aprano wrote: At the very least, I believe, any moratorium should have a clear end date. A clear end date will be a powerful counter to the impre

Re: [Python-Dev] PyPI comments and ratings, *really*?

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 8:38 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 08:44:32 pm Ludvig Ericson wrote: >> Why are there comments on PyPI? Moreso, why are there comments which >> I cannot control as a package author on my very own packages? That's >> just absurd. > > No, what's absurd is t

Re: [Python-Dev] PyPI comments and ratings, *really*?

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:25 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Nov 12, 2009, at 8:06 AM, Jesse Noller wrote: > >> Frankly, I agree with him. As implemented, I *and others* think this >> is broken. I've taken the stance of not publishing things to PyPi >> until A> I fin

Re: [Python-Dev] PyPI comments and ratings, *really*?

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > If you were to ask me, the people arguing against ratings and user > comments are fighting a losing battle. If they had an iPhone or > Android phone (or some other device with an "app store" kind of place > to find downloads) they'd know

Re: [Python-Dev] PyPI comments and ratings, *really*?

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > > I would say that publishers disagree -- they seem to really like > adding "social" stuff to their book announcement service. See e.g. > Amazon (which combines all functions: announcement/promotion, > ordering/download, review/comments/r

Re: [Python-Dev] PyPI comments and ratings, *really*?

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Jesse Noller wrote: >> I'd not trust a package without a bug tracker, mailing list or link to >> the source a lot sooner than something without comments and ratings. > > Yeah,

Re: [Python-Dev] standard libraries don't behave like standard 'libraries'

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 2:38 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: >> I am not an expert, I am just another python learner. These are just my >> views on the state of the standard libraries and to >> make them state-of-the-art..! ;) > > If I understand correctly, you want the (current) standard library to

Re: [Python-Dev] PyPI comments and ratings, *really*?

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 5:47 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: >> Except when they have a problem, and then they are likely to only complain >> through the comments. > > As this theory has been repeated often here, I decided to go through all > comments and classify them, as: > - good: (overall) positi

Re: [Python-Dev] PyPI comments and ratings, *really*?

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 6:25 PM, "Martin v. Löwis" wrote: >> And how many of the "good" comments are astroturfers? > > If I understand that term correctly, it's about disguise: how would > I be able to answer that question? It's unprovable. But I could see a group of people easily coordinating la

Re: [Python-Dev] Add an optional timeout to lock operations

On Nov 18, 2009, at 5:38 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: Antoine Pitrou wrote: Guido van Rossum python.org> writes: Will locks be interruptible with ^C? That is an oft-requested feature which also wasn't supported at that time; what's the situation nowadays? They still aren't interruptible. Fr

Re: [Python-Dev] Add an optional timeout to lock operations

On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 8:50 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > Jesse Noller gmail.com> writes: >> >> Nick is right, many of the BSDs and FreeBSD up until fairly recently >> did not have named shared semaphore support. Still yet, the behavior >> is broken on some OSes

Re: [Python-Dev] Issues with multiprocessing

On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 6:22 AM, Michael Foord wrote: > On 09/12/2009 08:51, Joshi, Yateen wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I have an application that uses multiprocessing pools > (multiprocessing.Pool(processes=…..)). There are multiple such pools and > each pool has configurable number of processes. Once t

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 391 - Please Vote!

On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 4:23 AM, Vinay Sajip wrote: > In October 2009 I created PEP 391 to propose a new method of configuring > logging using dictionaries: > >  http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0391/ > > In November 2009 I posted to this list that the PEP was ready for review. > > I have had n

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 391 - Please Vote!

On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 9:08 AM, Vinay Sajip wrote: >> From: Jesse Noller > >> I'm generally +1 - but given I know that Django 1.2 is slated to >> implement something somewhat similar, I'm interested to hear how this >> proposal meshes with their plan(s).

Re: [Python-Dev] Bazaar branches available (again) on Launchpad

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 7:51 PM, David Lyon wrote: >> On Jan 20, 2010, at 10:16 AM, Barry wrote: > >>> So does that mean we could update the stdlib for a given >>> python version using this ? >> >> In a sense, yes (if I understand your question correctly). > > Yeah, it just needs an implementation

Re: [Python-Dev] Bazaar branches available (again) on Launchpad

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 10:43 PM, David Lyon wrote: [snip] > Being honest, if wonderful libraries like Sphinx and Mercurial > and Git and BZR can't make it into the stdlib, then there is > no hope for even newer code to get in there. Did you ever stop to think that some package authors do not wan

Re: [Python-Dev] PyCon Keynote

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 6:16 PM, wrote: > > How about explaining why you're not going to give Collin a pony? > > Skip You're on to something, but the question is: 1> How do we get a pony to atlanta 2> Later deliver it to Mountain View 3> Get it to review patches? ___

Re: [Python-Dev] Summary of 2 years of Python fuzzing

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Victor Stinner wrote: > Hi, > > I'm running regulary my fuzzer (Fusil) on CPython since summer 2008: I tested > Python 2.5, 2.6, 2.7, 3.0, 3.1 and 3.2. I'm only looking for "fatal errors": > Python process killed by a signal, or sometimes fuzzer timeouts. I ignore

Re: [Python-Dev] Forking and Multithreading - enemy brothers

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Pascal Chambon wrote: > > So, if a patch was proposed for the multiprocessing, allowing an unified > "spawnl", thread-safe, semantic, do you think something could prevent its > integration ? > > We may ignore the subprocess module, since fork+exec shouldn't be bothe

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