Re: [Python-ideas] PEPs: Theory of operation [was: Moving to another forum system ...]

On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 8:52 AM Anders Hovmöller wrote: > >>> I think that entire paragraph made it sound even worse than what I > wrote originally. It reads to an outsider as “if you don’t know what’s > wrong I’m not going to tell you”. > > > > More like, if you're not sufficiently familiar with

Re: [Python-ideas] Toxic forum

>From what I’ve seen on this list in my relatively brief time here, this forum is mostly fine and the participants generally behave like adults. I don’t read every thread, so maybe I don’t have an accurate picture. From what I’ve seen, there is the occasional spat, where people just need to step aw

Re: [Python-ideas] File format for automatic and manual tests

On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 5:09 AM Paul Moore wrote: > This strikes me as *absolutely* something that should be promoted > outside of the stdlib, as a 3rd party project, and once it's > established as a commonly used and accepted standard, only then > propose that the stdlib offer support for it (if

Re: [Python-ideas] Revisiting dedicated overloadable boolean operators

On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 1:47 PM Todd toddr...@gmail.com wrote: The operators would be: > > bNOT - boolean "not" > bAND - boolean "and" > bOR - boolean "or" > bXOR - boolean "xor" > These look pretty ugly to me. But that could just be a matter of familiarity. For

Re: [Python-ideas] PEP 505: None-aware operators

On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 10:58 AM Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 06:32:19AM -0400, David Mertz wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 29, 2018, 2:00 AM Steven D'Aprano > wrote: > > > > > Fine. So it takes them an extra day to learn one more operator. Big > > > deal. It is commonly believed to t

Re: [Python-ideas] PEP 505: None-aware operators

On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 12:17 AM David Mertz wrote: > On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 12:00 AM Nicholas Chammas < > nicholas.cham...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Forgive me for being slow. I'm missing what's different in semantics >> between the translation above and Chri

Re: [Python-ideas] PEP 505: None-aware operators

On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 11:09 PM David Mertz wrote: > On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 10:50 PM Nicholas Chammas < > nicholas.cham...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Indeed. Thanks for the counter-example. I think the correct translation >> is as follows: >> food = spam?.eg

Re: [Python-ideas] PEP 505: None-aware operators

On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 10:12 PM David Mertz wrote: > On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 9:47 PM Nicholas Chammas < > nicholas.cham...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > That is disingenuous, I think. Can this raise an AttributeError? >>> > spam?.eggs?.bacon >>>

Re: [Python-ideas] PEP 505: None-aware operators

On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 9:20 PM Chris Angelico wrote: > On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 11:02 AM, David Mertz wrote: > > That is disingenuous, I think. Can this raise an AttributeError? > > > > spam?.eggs?.bacon > > > > Of course it can! And this is exactly the pattern used in many examples > in >

Re: [Python-ideas] PEP 505: None-aware operators

On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 6:11 PM Abe Dillon wrote: > The problem here is not whether it's explicit. It's about Readability and > conciseness. Using symbols in place of words almost always harms > readability in favor of conciseness. > > value = person.name if person.name else person > > almost rea

Re: [Python-ideas] PEP 505: None-aware operators

n Wed, Jul 25, 2018, 5:17 PM Nicholas Chammas > wrote: > >> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 6:05 PM Giampaolo Rodola' >> wrote: >> >>> This: >>> >>> v = a?.b >>> >>> ...*implicitly* checks if value is not None [an

Re: [Python-ideas] PEP 505: None-aware operators

On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 12:12 PM Nicholas Chammas < nicholas.cham...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 6:05 PM Giampaolo Rodola' > wrote: > >> This: >> >> v = a?.b >> >> ...*implicitly* checks if value is not None [and continues exe

Re: [Python-ideas] PEP 505: None-aware operators

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 6:05 PM Giampaolo Rodola' wrote: > This: > > v = a?.b > > ...*implicitly* checks if value is not None [and continues execution]. > This: > > v = a > if a.b is not None: > v = a.b > > ...*explicitly* checks if value is not None and continues execution. >

Re: [Python-ideas] From mailing list to GitHub issues

On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 1:16 PM Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote: I think one of the big trade offs here, is that the traditional mailing > list can work very well if everyone involved takes the time to develop a > custom tool chain that fits their own workflow