Hi all, I didn't mean for there to be significant differences between what
I posted here versus in the commit message. Sorry for any confusion around
that! Thank you for putting them both in one place here - that is helpful.
Take care,
Keara
On Sun, Jun 28, 2020, 16:12 Paul Sokolovsky wrote:
On 6/28/2020 4:10 PM, Giampaolo Rodola' wrote:
> From:
> https://github.com/python/peps/commit/0c6427dcec1e98ca0bd46a876a7219ee4a9347f4
>
> > Instead of requiring that comments be written in Strunk & White Standard
> > English, require instead that English-language comments be clear and easily
Hello,
Shouldn't such feedback be also cross-posted to the python-dev mailing
list? Also note the original pull request,
https://github.com/python/peps/pull/1470, and differences of what was
written in the pull request description and what went in the commit
message.
On Sun, 28 Jun 2020
From:
https://github.com/python/peps/commit/0c6427dcec1e98ca0bd46a876a7219ee4a9347f4
> Instead of requiring that comments be written in Strunk & White Standard
English, require instead that English-language comments be clear and easily
understandable by other English speakers. This accomplishes
On Sun, Jun 28, 2020, 10:19 AM Jeff Allen
> Now the commit message is the thing that causes me to write. It contains
a long justification for the change. It need only have said that we've
decided not to enforce S rules. It is somewhat offensive, since it
asserts as fact an opinion the community
On 2020-06-28 13:25, Jeff Allen wrote:
[snip]
And the conclusion is right, but the argument is better than he makes
it. I've no idea what a Weegie is, but Brum is just up the road from
where I write, and I can tell you only about 60% of Brummies class
themselves as white. A high proportion of
On 27/06/2020 10:35, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
Keara Berlin writes:
> Here is the current line in PEP-8: "When writing English, follow
> Strunk and White." I propose changing this line to "When writing
> English, ensure that your comments are clear and easily
> understandable to other
On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 6:40 AM Stephen J. Turnbull <
turnbull.stephen...@u.tsukuba.ac.jp> wrote:
> Keara Berlin writes:
>
> I wouldn't object to
>
> When writing English, write clearly and understandably. Consider
> your audience -- many readers of your comments in Python sources
>
On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 4:59 PM Steve Barnes wrote:
>
> Can I suggest an addition to this discussion that the phrase: "Must adhere to
> python community guidelines" otherwise it is possible to be disrespectful,
> abusive, sexist, etc., while being clean and understandable (and even
> adhering
Sent: 27 June 2020 07:09
To: python-ideas@python.org
Subject: [Python-ideas] Re: Amend PEP-8 to require clear, understandable
comments instead of Strunk & White Standard English comments
On 27/06/20 5:30 pm, David Mertz wrote:
> My point is that _Elements of Style_ is not a se
On 27/06/20 5:30 pm, David Mertz wrote:
My point is that _Elements of Style_ is not a set of rules. It's a nice
book with generally good advice; it's not a style guide in a formal
sense.
Also, does it actually say anything that would forbid or discourage
use of terms such as "chocker" and
On 27/06/20 4:33 pm, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Take the word out of the sentence, and does the sentence still mean the
same thing? Then the word was needless. That's an objective test.
But in something a fuzzy as natural language, "the same thing"
is not a boolean value. How close in meaning does
My point is that _Elements of Style_ is not a set of rules. It's a nice
book with generally good advice; it's not a style guide in a formal sense.
If we wanted rules, _The Chicago Manual of Style_ or the_Associated Press
Style Guide_ would be much closer to that. But neither of those actually
On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 12:37:35AM -0400, David Mertz wrote:
> Objectively, could I have dropped "most"? Both "most famous"?
>
> Could you have dropped "still," objectively?
Yes, we probably could have. What's your point? I'm not arguing in
favour of S here on this mailing list, and I've
On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 2:44 PM Soni L. wrote:
>
>
> Take word out of sentence, does sentence still mean same? Then word
> needless. Is objective test.
That sounds like the way the Heavy Weapons Guy talks (when he speaks
English - his native language is Russian). What you've done is make a
On 2020-06-27 1:33 a.m., Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 11:36:47PM -0400, David Mertz wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 26, 2020, 8:40 PM Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>
> > "Clear and easily understandable" is subjective. What is clear and
> > understandable to me may be impenetrably
Objectively, could I have dropped "most"? Both "most famous"?
Could you have dropped "still," objectively?
On Sat, Jun 27, 2020, 12:34 AM Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 11:36:47PM -0400, David Mertz wrote:
> > On Fri, Jun 26, 2020, 8:40 PM Steven D'Aprano
> wrote:
> >
> > >
On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 11:36:47PM -0400, David Mertz wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 26, 2020, 8:40 PM Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>
> > "Clear and easily understandable" is subjective. What is clear and
> > understandable to me may be impenetrably confusing to others, or
> > obnoxiously dumbed down.
> >
>
>
On Fri, Jun 26, 2020, 8:40 PM Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> "Clear and easily understandable" is subjective. What is clear and
> understandable to me may be impenetrably confusing to others, or
> obnoxiously dumbed down.
>
Strunk and White's most famous mandate of "omit needless words" is likewise
I can't say that I've ever assessed the quality of a code comment
based on how well it adheres to Strunk & White, nor have I ever been
involved with an environment that tries to strongly enforce that
specific style of writing. So FWIW, I agree that "clear and concise
English" is more relevant to
Steven just likes an argument. Nobody has ever taken the idea of a standard
for language in comments seriously. It Just doen come up.
On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 18:35 Bernardo Sulzbach <
berna...@bernardosulzbach.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 9:43 PM Steven D'Aprano
> wrote:
>
>> I dislike
On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 9:43 PM Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> I dislike Strunk and White, and don't follow it myself (except by
> accident, as it were) but I've worked with neuro-atypical programmers
> who found it really useful to have a common standard that they could
> follow and reduce the
On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 09:08:31PM -, Keara Berlin wrote:
> Hi all, this is a very small change, but I thought I would field it
> here to see if anyone has suggestions or ideas. Instead of requiring
> that comments be written in Strunk & White Standard English, PEP-8
> should require
Good idea - I'll submit that now.
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Your minor change is certainly an improvement. _The Elements of Style_ (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elements_of_Style) is certainly a good
text, but it's not even actually a style guide in the formal sense.
On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 5:26 PM Keara Berlin wrote:
> Hi all, this is a very
Given I've never even heard of Strunk & White (my own privilege i'd
assume)... yeah. I don't actually know what the existing "When writing
English, follow Strunk and White." text in PEP-8 even means.
It doesn't hyperlink to an online source for English style probably because
this was written so
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