On Friday 13 May 2005 01:21, Christopher J. Bottaro wrote:
For those of you following the Python Documentation thread, this is a good
example of how the PHP manual is better. I found how to do this in a few
seconds in PHP. I searched the Python docs for class name, classname,
introspection
I wrote a GUI program on windows. (python wxPython)
One function is to refresh the data from the COM Object continously.
In the beginning, I used the thread.start_new_thread(xxx,())
But no matter how i try, it will cause the win32com error.
After that, i use the wx.Timer to do the refresh
Andrew Dalke wrote:
Peter Dembinski wrote:
If you want to redirect me to Google, don't bother. IMO ninety percent
of writings found on WWW is just a garbage.
Sturgeon's law: Ninety percent of everything is crap.
does that apply to sturgeon's law itself?
(fwiw, this is of course why google
On Friday 13 May 2005 03:11, Bengt Richter wrote:
type(obj).mro()
[class '__main__.A', class '__main__.B1', class '__main__.B2',
class '__main__.C', type 'object']
Wow! No need to write a depth-first tree-traversal algorithm... Somebody add
this idiom to the cookbook.
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does that apply to sturgeon's law itself?
(fwiw, this is of course why google displays 10 results on the
first page. according to the law, one of them is always exactly
what you want).
+ 1 QOTW :-)
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Hmmm, the following session causes me some concern:
print a
$(which sh) ${HOME/b/k} 'the dog'
print b
/bin/sh /home/kill the dog
shlex.split(a)
['$(which', 'sh)', '${HOME/b/k}', 'the dog']
shlex.split(b)
['/bin/sh', '/home/kill', 'the', 'dog']
I started with a, which contains the 3 cases
Hi everybody,
i´m writing an applications under wxphython and i need to print some
data in an external printer (usb, parallel, i suppose that it doesn´t
mind. Excuse me for the (maybe) stupid question but, how can i do it?
where can i found information about it?
Thanks a lot,
greetings
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anything like that involved. Any idea why it seg faults when I try to
import xmlrpclib
I think you will continue to have
difficulty getting respect on this
matter as long as you show disrespect
to those who have come before you.
...
Dear Ron Adam and other good people,
I respect people and I respect truth. And, the priority is truth first.
The software community, is one
Xah Lee wrote:
I respect people
and I was convinced he was going to show different:
The software community, is one fucked up ball, and in part, because
just one person sees the light...
people respect not people nor truth. They respect their own asses,
Then you must be the #1 fine
I am trying to extract some information from a few web pages, and I was
using the HTMLParser module. It worked fine until it got to the
javascript, at which it gave a parse error. Is there a good way to work
around this or should I just preparse the file to remove the javascript
manually? This is
Ivan Van Laningham wrote:
Hi All--
Yes. There are multiple ways I can correct myself, some, I'm sure,
involving chains and whips.
Well, if you like it...
But you're all missing the point:
Christopher is right! Python docs are not as good as PHP docs.
That's a POV, not a fact.
Why
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I am trying to extract some information from a few web pages, and I was
using the HTMLParser module. It worked fine until it got to the
javascript, at which it gave a parse error.
It's fairly common for pages with Javascript to also
On Sat, 7 May 2005 13:51:40 +0200, rumours say that Anthra Norell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] might have written:
Here's the challenge. Prove this breakable
'\x10\x88d\x1d\xba\xa1\xdcK\x05w\x02/s\xa7Q0\xeb8\xb6Gx\xef\xcb\x1e=\xf5\x7f
Python-list
What is the property mean in the python? Who can explain it for me?
I don't know how to use it.
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What is the property mean in the python? Who can explain it for me?
I don't know how to use it.
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Hi,
Kay Schluehr wrote:
Why this? eval() consumes a string, produces a code object and executes
it. Wether the code-object is bytecode or a chunk of machine code makes
a difference in the runtime but does not alter the high level
behavioural description of eval(). In either way the
Stelios Xanthakis wrote:
Kay Schluehr wrote:
Yes. What we are seeking for and this may be the meaning of Armins
intentiously provocative statement about the speed of running HLLs is a
successor of the C-language and not just another VM interpreter that is
written in C and limits all
Anthra Norell wrote:
Thanks a lot for the feedback. This is certainly a great learning
experience. It's a fascinating topic too. Without wishing to annoy,
I'd be
interested in knowing more. I insert questions below.
You can google your questions and you will find them out answered in
many
i wanted to define a function where the number of argument matters.
Example:
def Range(n):
return range(n+1)
def Range(n,m):
return range(n,m+1)
def Range(n,m,step):
return range(n,m+1,step)
this obvious doesn't work. The default argument like
Range(n=1,m,step=1) obviously isn't a
Armin Steinhoff wrote:
pyvm has that. A big part of it is written in lightweight C++ [1].
Realy ? I have downloaded the lwc distribution and checked it out.
It was a surprise that none of the examples are working.
I'm using SuSE 9.0 with gcc 3.3.1 ...
:(
Is there a working version
Stelios Xanthakis wrote:
Also, for the other part of the thread, I think that bytecode may
be in fact faster than machine code JIT.
Forgot to add: It depends of course on how good is the bytecode.
IMO Python's bytecode is pretty good for its purpose which is
executing a dynamic language
The problem for me is that the pointer p in the last function points
to the arguments:
If a user caller foo(123) - p points to '123'.
What I need is to point it to the whole string received - 'foo
(123)'.
Is there a way I can do this?
no. at least not a simple one. you can obtain the
Hi,
Calling a python method from C++ has the following signature:
PyObject *
PyObject_CallMethod(PyObject *self, char *method_name,
char *arg_format, ...);
I'm having trouble figuring out how to declare self.
Let's say my python file is called stuff.py and is like the
Dear All,
email.Message module base we can build message
for mailing services which is like php Mail_mime
module. In php Mail_mime module willautomatically
build all the header fields like content-type,
content-Transfer-encoding, Return-Path and so on for
a mailing messages. I want to know
Here's a first attempt at trusted python. I would be grateful if any
python gurus could point out the, no doubt obvious, flaws.
I've stopped fileobject working with patches to fileobject and
frameobject. All child frames of the first 'trusted' frame are trusted
(checked using
On 13 May 2005 02:52:34 -0700,
Xah Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i wanted to define a function where the number of argument matters.
Example:
def Range(n):
return range(n+1)
def Range(n,m):
return range(n,m+1)
def Range(n,m,step):
return range(n,m+1,step)
this obvious
You could pass the directory in as an optional extra argument
to the script. Alternately, you might accept either a bare file name
or a full path.
Roger
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Thomas Pfaff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
Look for:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/pymaillib/
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On Fri, 13 May 2005 11:52:34 +0200, Xah Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i wanted to define a function where the number of argument matters.
Example:
def Range(n):
return range(n+1)
def Range(n,m):
return range(n,m+1)
def Range(n,m,step):
return range(n,m+1,step)
this obvious
On Fri, 13 May 2005 14:57:26 +0800, Austin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wrote a GUI program on windows. (python wxPython)
One function is to refresh the data from the COM Object continously.
In the beginning, I used the thread.start_new_thread(xxx,())
But no matter how i try, it will cause the
On Fri, 13 May 2005 02:52:34 -0700, Xah Lee wrote:
i wanted to define a function where the number of argument matters.
Example:
def Range(n):
return range(n+1)
def Range(n,m):
return range(n,m+1)
def Range(n,m,step):
return range(n,m+1,step)
this obvious doesn't work.
def Range(n,m=None,step=1):
if m is None:
n,m = 0,n+1
else:
n,m = n,m+1
return range(n,m,step)
i like this one.
coming from php (just a couple weeks ago) its always again interesting
to see how i have to start thinking to program differently, it can be
so much easier with
Roger Upole schrieb:
You could pass the directory in as an optional extra argument
to the script. Alternately, you might accept either a bare file name
or a full path.
Roger
Yes, that's true, and I suppose it's good programming style not to
depend on a special working
At the interactive prompt, a result is printed when both these things
are true:
* The entered code is an expression, not any other kind of statement
* The result of the expression is not 'None'
If an expression occurs, information about it will be printed instead.
So the interpreter won't
Hi,
I have a wxPython application that call makes a thread (with threading
module). In some moment i've to stop the thread but i need to finish a
funtion in the thread before it can stop. How can i achive this?
Thanks in advance
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Zunbeltz Izaola wrote:
I have a wxPython application that call makes a thread (with threading
module). In some moment i've to stop the thread but i need to finish a
funtion in the thread before it can stop. How can i achive this?
How did you intend to stop the thread in a manner which might
I must be doing something wrong, but for the life of me, I can't figure
out what. Here's the code snippet which is giving me grief:
print type(number), type(name), type(seconds // 60), type(seconds % 60)
print \t\t\tsection number=\%i\ title=\%s\ length=\%i:%i\/\n
% [number, name, seconds // 60,
i was already searching and remember i had seen something like its not needed.
Anyway, are there any doc tags, like in Java/PHPDoc etc, where you can
describe parameters (@param[eter]), return values (@ret[urn]),
attributes (@var), references (@see), etc?
I guess I have just not found the link
Hi.
I'm trying to store a text within a MySQL field (v 3.23.58) by using
MySQLdb
(v 1.2.1c3).
The text is: telephone... (note the last character)
And I get this error message:
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File /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/MySQLdb/connections.py, line
33, in defaulterrorhandler
raise
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I must be doing something wrong, but for the life of me, I can't figure
out what. Here's the code snippet which is giving me grief:
print type(number), type(name), type(seconds // 60), type(seconds % 60)
print \t\t\tsection number=\%i\ title=\%s\ length=\%i:%i\/\n
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm trying to store a text within a MySQL field (v 3.23.58) by using
MySQLdb
(v 1.2.1c3).
The text is: telephone... (note the last character)
And I get this error message:
---
File /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/MySQLdb/connections.py, line
33, in
If I try
2 array([1,2,3])
I get:
array([0, 0, 1], type=Bool)
which is pretty slick, However if I set
q = 2 array([1,2,3])
q and q
I get a runtime error: An array doesn't make sense as a truth value.
So.. why not? It seems to me that if I could vectorize logical
expressions (a la
On 2005-05-13, Dennis Lee Bieber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 12 May 2005 15:34:39 -, Grant Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED]
declaimed the following in comp.lang.python:
I think the use of forward slashes for command line switches
was adopted by CP/M from DEC's OSes (e.g. RSX-11). CP/M
Larry Bates wrote:
In python they are called decorators, but I've never had a
need to use them myself, but then I'm a little old fashioned.
Decorators only work on function and method definitions. I don't think
that's what Wolfram is referring to.
Larry Bates
Wolfram Kriesing wrote:
i
On Fri, 13 May 2005 06:44:46 -0700, Robert Kern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Larry Bates wrote:
In python they are called decorators, but I've never had a
need to use them myself, but then I'm a little old fashioned.
Decorators only work on function and method definitions. I don't think
that's what
Hi Fredrik.
Thank you very much for your quick answer.
Do you suggest to change it by using regexp or must I encode the whole
texto into a suitable one?
Regards.
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
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I'm trying to store a text within a MySQL field (v 3.23.58) by
using
MySQLdb
(v
*hides face* Groan! This is what I get for trying to code first thing
in the morning. Thanks, all, it works fine now...
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On Thu, 12 May 2005 15:34:39 -, Grant Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED]
declaimed the following in comp.lang.python:
I think the use of forward slashes for command line switches
was adopted by CP/M from DEC's OSes
#! rnews 2528
Newsgroups: comp.lang.python
Path:
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From: Harry George [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: String formatting strangeness
Bengt Richter wrote:
type(obj)
class '__main__.A'
type(obj).mro()
[class '__main__.A', class '__main__.B1', class '__main__.B2',
[class '__main__.C', type 'object']
tuple(x.__name__ for x in type(obj).mro())
('A', 'B1', 'B2', 'C', 'object')
Wow awesome, thats exactly what I was
Matt Feinstein wrote:
If I try
2 array([1,2,3])
I get:
array([0, 0, 1], type=Bool)
which is pretty slick, However if I set
q = 2 array([1,2,3])
q and q
I get a runtime error: An array doesn't make sense as a truth value.
So.. why not? It seems to me that if I could
bruno modulix wrote:
I fail to see why would it would be better to have to open a browser, go
to python.org, go to the doc, find the right link etc instead of just
typing dir(xxx) and/or help(xxx).
Well, for those with Windows machines, the documentation is a simple
Start-All
Hi,
do you know if is there any 'Dive into Python' equivalent for the java
language?
DiP is the best I've seen and I would need to learn some basics of Java
and also ways to interact between the two languages. (I'm already aware
of Jpype and Jython)
Luis
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On Fri, 13 May 2005 09:10:13 -0400, Peter Hansen wrote:
How did you intend to stop the thread in a manner which might be unsafe?
(Hint, unless you're doing something unusual, you can't.)
I have a threaded object (Mythread). It checks if want_thread
variable is True to return. The problem
Christopher J. Bottaro wrote:
Bengt Richter wrote:
type(obj)
class '__main__.A'
type(obj).mro()
[class '__main__.A', class '__main__.B1', class '__main__.B2',
[class '__main__.C', type 'object']
tuple(x.__name__ for x in type(obj).mro())
('A', 'B1', 'B2', 'C', 'object')
Wow
import win32api
GIS_GIS_Parcels = Database
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Armin Steinhoff wrote:
Is there a working version of lwc ???
pyvm is written in lwc-2.0 which is not yet released because
nobody's using it.
As you mentioned it ... lwc-2.0 is used for pyvm. So it is used :)
Do you have an idea when lwc-2.0 will be releast ?
Everyone who are
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File /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/MySQLdb/connections.py,
line
33, in defaulterrorhandler
raise errorclass, errorvalue
UnicodeEncodeError: 'latin-1' codec can't encode character
u'\u2026' in
position 288: ordinal not in range(256)
Thank you very
I've to use ConfigParser.
It returns values that are exactly in the config file, so get string
variables like:
int1 with quotes and characers: 42
this is easy to convert to int:
realint = int(int1)
I've read the tutorial, and the FAQ, and not sure if I missed it, but
other than calling eval
Fredrik Lundh wrote:
[...]
if you want more control of the replacement, you can skip the translate
step and use your own error handler, e.g.
charmap = ... see above ...
def fixunicode(info):
s = info.object[info.start:info.end]
try:
return
Hi,
Read this:
http://www.python.org/2.2.3/descrintro.html#property
If you still don't understand or are confused about it's usage, ask here.
Hint: Suppose you need to create an Age class with a 'years' attribute
and ensure that, (assuming I create an object a = Age())
1) when one tries to
Eli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks for the answer; I should better explain my problem.
that's always a good idea ;-)
So a solution would be creating 'function 1' which preprocess the input
and calls the original function 1, than do so for any other function.
This works, but there are
Michael wrote:
Trying to process xml (xml-rpx) with a handler in mod_python crashes
mod_python. Previous versions worked fine. Only change is I recompiled
with newest versions of Apache, Python, and mod_python. No PHP or
anything like that involved. Any idea why it seg faults when I try to
wrote:
In comp.lang.perl.misc John Bokma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[ @55, |@#~~|!! ]
Oh please let him use an ass...
Ok, he is allowed to use ass in examples, e.g. (Perl)
s/ass/domesticated donkey/g;
(Maybe to explain \b ? )
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On Fri, 13 May 2005 16:47:34 +0200, Zunbeltz Izaola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 13 May 2005 09:10:13 -0400, Peter Hansen wrote:
How did you intend to stop the thread in a manner which might be unsafe?
(Hint, unless you're doing something unusual, you can't.)
I have a threaded object
I'm trying to execute doc tests without writing to the filesystem (i.e.
in the Python interpreter). I have something like:
Docstring:
n
6
# Code:
n=6
import doctest
doctest.testmod()
The tests all pass when saving this text to a python script (as it
should), but when I
Christopher J. Bottaro wrote:
Christopher J. Bottaro wrote:
Bengt Richter wrote:
type(obj)
class '__main__.A'
type(obj).mro()
[class '__main__.A', class '__main__.B1', class
'__main__.B2',
[class '__main__.C', type 'object']
tuple(x.__name__ for x in type(obj).mro())
X-No-Archive: yes
what I am looking for is
1. To create a list of different words of various lengths(1-15) using
A-Z,a-z,0-9 and punctuations.Basically anything that could be found on
a text document.
2. The words formed need not be meaningful .FOr example 'ajf' or
'fcjgdtfhbs' or even 'gfdew!'
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X-No-Archive: yes
what I am looking for is
1. To create a list of different words of various lengths(1-15) using
A-Z,a-z,0-9 and punctuations.Basically anything that could be found on
a text document.
2. The words formed need not be meaningful .FOr example
X-No-Archive: yes
what I am looking for is
1. To create a list of different words of various lengths(1-15) using
A-Z,a-z,0-9 and punctuations.Basically anything that could be found on
a text document.
2. The words formed need not be meaningful .FOr example 'ajf' or
'fcjgdtfhbs' or even 'gfdew!'
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
if there is list1 = [ 'filea', 'fileb', ], I can get at list by
doing:
reallist = eval(list1)
is there an easier/simpler method of doing the same thing as
realstring
and reallist lines above?
http://twistedmatrix.com/users/moshez/unrepr.py
Example:
from unrepr
Hi Robert,
At first I thought it would be an interesting thing to have a little
swift module to create a database of all words in the dictionary.But
then I thought y just the words in the dictionary? y not all possible
words like 'and' and 'adn'. Just was inspired with the little idea of
if its
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
what I am looking for is
1. To create a list of different words of various lengths(1-15) using
A-Z,a-z,0-9 and punctuations.Basically anything that could be found on
a text document.
2. The words formed need not be meaningful .FOr example 'ajf' or
'fcjgdtfhbs' or
James, thank you very much for your answer.
Jaime
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Im trying to make a simple TCP socket relay or proxy, but my skills in
Python are not high (yet).
The only thing it should do, is to open the connection on behalf of the
client, and when the client closes the connection, it should do so too.
It's going to relay PCL and/or PostScript printjobs
code='\n n\n6\n\nn=6\nimport doctest\ndoctest.testmod()'
exec(code)
Remove 'doctest.tesmod()' and the import from your 'code' string.
]]] exec(code)
]]] import doctest
]]] doctest.testmod()
should do the trick.
Cheers,
SB
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Zunbeltz Izaola wrote:
On Fri, 13 May 2005 09:10:13 -0400, Peter Hansen wrote:
How did you intend to stop the thread in a manner which might be unsafe?
(Hint, unless you're doing something unusual, you can't.)
I have a threaded object (Mythread). It checks if want_thread
variable is True to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Robert,
At first I thought it would be an interesting thing to have a little
swift module to create a database of all words in the dictionary.
Okay, take one more step back. Why is it interesting to have such a
dictionary? How do you intend to use it?
Having
On 13/5/05 03:35, in article
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Robert Kern
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
baza wrote:
Where is the IDE in 'Tiger' for the mac? Don't tell me I have to use
text edit all the time??
PythonIDE never came with the OS. You have to install it yourself.
no specific number of words.
and I get a syntax error on line:
words[.join(choice(alphabet) for i in range(randint(1,15)))] = None
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On 13/5/05 03:35, in article
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Robert Kern
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
baza wrote:
Where is the IDE in 'Tiger' for the mac? Don't tell me I have to use
text edit all the time??
PythonIDE never came with the OS. You have to install it yourself.
B wrote:
On 13/5/05 03:35, in article
[EMAIL PROTECTED], Robert Kern
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
baza wrote:
Where is the IDE in 'Tiger' for the mac? Don't tell me I have to use
text edit all the time??
PythonIDE never came with the OS. You have to install it yourself.
this works
while len(words) 1:
wd =
for i in [.join(choice(alphabet)) for i in
range(randint(1,15))]:
wd += i
words[wd] = None
anyway Thanks for that this is exactly what i need..
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no specific number of words.
anything between one and a gazillion, you mean? having some idea of
the upper bound helps when chosing what algorithm/database/computer
to use...
and I get a syntax error on line:
words[.join(choice(alphabet) for i in
Peter Hansen wrote:
call to recv() does not guarantee that the full 608 bytes of data is
Does read() have that guarantee?
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class Age:
def __init__(self, years=None):
if years is None: self.years=0
else: self.years=years
def __setattr__(self, key, value):
if key == years:
if value 0:
print ERROR-Years cannot be less than zero, setting to zero
http://twistedmatrix.com/users/moshez/unrepr.py
http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Cookbook/Python/Recipe/364469
Thanks, this helps - but I was looking at using no additional modules,
or using something that came bundled in with python 2.3
I just discovered mx.Tools.NewBuiltins
It has something
:) the reason for me not upgrading my python is I am waiting for
version of Numeric to be released for python 2.4 .The stable version of
Numeric is only release for windows and not Linux I guess the last time
i checked. which i use a lot .
Anyway thanks
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:) the reason for me not upgrading my python is I am waiting for
version of Numeric to be released for python 2.4 .The stable version of
Numeric is only release for windows and not Linux I guess the last time
i checked. which i use a lot .
Install from source. It
Ivan Voras wrote:
Peter Hansen wrote:
call to recv() does not guarantee that the full 608 bytes of data is
Does read() have that guarantee?
Assuming you mean read() on the file object that would be returned by
calling makefile() on the socket, then the docs imply that this is the
case,
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Also, for the other part of the thread, I think that bytecode may
be in fact faster than machine code JIT. Here is a theory:
Suppose that for each algorithm there is the ideal implementation
which executes at the
Hi all,
does python currently support 80 bit precision Floating Point Unit ?
regards,
KM
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Ivan Van Laningham a écrit :
(snip)
BTW, my tortured method is quicker than Bruno's, because to use his
method I'd have to start the interactive interpreter.
start the interactive interpreter ??? What do you mean, start the
interactive interpreter ??? It's *always* started as a part of your
bruno I fail to see why would it would be better to have to open a
bruno browser, go to python.org, go to the doc, find the right link etc
bruno instead of just typing dir(xxx) and/or help(xxx).
Actually, you frequently don't even have to enter the Python interpreter.
Executing pydoc
Tomas Christiansen wrote:
Im trying to make a simple TCP socket relay or proxy, but my skills in
Python are not high (yet).
http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Cookbook/Python/Recipe/114642
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yes! sorry about that
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