ANN: M2Crypto 0.21.1

2011-01-17 Thread Heikki Toivonen
Announcing M2Crypto 0.21.1 Changes: 0.21.1 - 2011-01-15 --- - Distribution fix 0.21 - 2011-01-12 - - Support OpenSSL 1.0. Thanks to Miloslav Trmac for figuring out how to fix test_smime.py - Rename m2.engine_init to engine_init_error so that ENGINE_init and

[ANN] Update - Python Courses 2011

2011-01-17 Thread Mike Müller
Update - Python Courses 2011 The date of the EuroSciPy 2011 is finalized [1]. Being the main organizer of the first two EuroSciPy conferences in 2008 and 2009 in Leipzig and experiencing the great success of last year's event in Paris, I have to be there.

MDP release 3.0

2011-01-17 Thread Tiziano Zito
We are glad to announce release 3.0 of the Modular toolkit for Data Processing (MDP). MDP is a Python library of widely used data processing algorithms that can be combined according to a pipeline analogy to build more complex data processing software. The base of available algorithms includes

Re: Tkinter: Joking?

2011-01-17 Thread Steven Howe
On 01/16/2011 10:46 PM, Octavian Rasnita wrote: From: Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 1:04 AM Subject: Re: Tkinter: The good, the bad, and the ugly! Well, true, but people tend to *use* the parts of the GUIs that are simple and basic. Not

Re: [python-committers] [RELEASED] Python 3.2 rc 1

2011-01-17 Thread Mark Summerfield
Hi Georg, I can't be sure it is a bug, but there is a definite difference of behavior between 3.0/3.1 and 3.2rc1. Given this directory layout: $ ls -R Graphics/ Graphics/: __init__.py Vector Xpm.py Graphics/Vector: __init__.py Svg.py And these files: $ cat Graphics/__init__.py __all__ =

Re: [OT] Python like lanugages [was Re: After C++, what with Python?]

2011-01-17 Thread Tim Harig
On 2011-01-16, geremy condra debat...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 3:03 AM, Tim Harig user...@ilthio.net wrote: On 2011-01-16, Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote: If the author thinks that Go is a tried and true (his words, not mine) language where

Re: Elliptic Curve Prime factorisation

2011-01-17 Thread kost BebiX
14.01.2011, 21:52, mukesh tiwari mukeshtiwari.ii...@gmail.com: Hello all , I have implemented Elliptic curve prime factorisation using wikipedia [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenstra_elliptic_curve_factorization]. I think that this code is not optimised and posting for further improvement.

Re: Is it possible to let a virtual file created by cStringIO have a filename so that functions can read it by its filename?

2011-01-17 Thread Cun Zhang
hi Chris, Thank you for your advice. I will use tmpfs as a temperory file system to detail with it. Cheers, Cun Zhang On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 4:51 AM, Chris Rebert c...@rebertia.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 7:52 AM, Cun Zhang apzc2...@gmail.com wrote: Hi,all I hope use cStringIO to

Re: [OT] Python like lanugages

2011-01-17 Thread Tim Harig
On 2011-01-17, Paul Rubin no.email@nospam.invalid wrote: geremy condra debat...@gmail.com writes: I agree. That does not make Go that language, and many of the choices made during Go's development indicate that they don't think it's that language either. I'm speaking specifically of its

Question on the Module Import

2011-01-17 Thread frank cui
Hi all, I'm quite a novice in doing python,and i wish to ask you guys a question on the module import. Say we have a source file called module1.py. What's the difference between the import module1 and from module1 import * I know that conventionally by coding style, we dont use the second

Re: [OT] Python like lanugages

2011-01-17 Thread Arndt Roger Schneider
Tim Harig schrieb: [snip] This isn't such a tragedy Erlang as it is for other managed VMs because Erlang/BEAM makes powerful usage of its VM for fault tolerance mechanisms. I don't know of any other VM that allows software upgrades on a running system. styx, the distributed operating system

Re: Question on the Module Import

2011-01-17 Thread Chris Rebert
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 2:01 AM, frank cui frankcu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I'm quite a novice in doing python,and i wish to ask you guys a question on the module import. Say we have a source file called module1.py. What's the difference between the import module1 and from module1

Re: [Python-Dev] [python-committers] [RELEASED] Python 3.2 rc 1

2011-01-17 Thread Senthil Kumaran
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Mark Summerfield l...@qtrac.plus.com wrote: Hi Georg, I can't be sure it is a bug, but there is a definite difference of behavior between 3.0/3.1 and 3.2rc1. I can do the relative import with Python 3.0 and 3.1 but not with 3.2rc1: Are you sure that the

Re: [OT] Python like lanugages [was Re: After C++, what with Python?]

2011-01-17 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 09:12:04 +, Tim Harig wrote: Python has been widely used by people like us that happen to like the language and found ways to use it in our workplaces; but, most of the time it is an unofficial use that the company. You still don't see many companies doing large scale

Re: [OT] Python like lanugages [was Re: After C++, what with Python?]

2011-01-17 Thread Chris Rebert
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 1:12 AM, Tim Harig user...@ilthio.net wrote: On 2011-01-16, geremy condra debat...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 3:03 AM, Tim Harig user...@ilthio.net wrote: snip Personally, I think the time is ripe for a language that bridges the gap between ease of use

Re: examples of realistic multiprocessing usage?

2011-01-17 Thread Adam Skutt
On Jan 17, 12:44 am, TomF tomf.sess...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for your reply.  I can enqueue all the jobs before waiting for the results, it's just that I want the parent to process the results as they come back.  I don't want the parent to block until all results are returned.  I was hoping

ANN: M2Crypto 0.21.1

2011-01-17 Thread Heikki Toivonen
Announcing M2Crypto 0.21.1 Changes: 0.21.1 - 2011-01-15 --- - Distribution fix 0.21 - 2011-01-12 - - Support OpenSSL 1.0. Thanks to Miloslav Trmac for figuring out how to fix test_smime.py - Rename m2.engine_init to engine_init_error so that ENGINE_init and

Re: Tkinter: Joking?

2011-01-17 Thread Adam Skutt
On Jan 17, 3:30 am, Steven Howe howe.ste...@gmail.com wrote: Target your market. Design your software in the Model-View-Controller format. It becomes easy to configure you frontend, your GUI, your web page, if your code is written to separate the work from the glitz. If there were some

Re: [OT] Python like lanugages [was Re: After C++, what with Python?]

2011-01-17 Thread Tim Harig
On 2011-01-17, Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote: On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 09:12:04 +, Tim Harig wrote: Python has been widely used by people like us that happen to like the language and found ways to use it in our workplaces; but, most of the time it is an unofficial

Re: [OT] Python like lanugages [was Re: After C++, what with Python?]

2011-01-17 Thread Tim Harig
On 2011-01-17, Chris Rebert c...@rebertia.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 1:12 AM, Tim Harig user...@ilthio.net wrote: On 2011-01-16, geremy condra debat...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 3:03 AM, Tim Harig user...@ilthio.net wrote: snip Personally, I think the time is ripe for a

Re: Tkinter: The good, the bad, and the ugly!

2011-01-17 Thread Albert van der Horst
In article d9703f77-31a4-42af-aa1d-a4acedbcf...@d7g2000vbv.googlegroups.com, Adam Skutt ask...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 14, 5:17=A0pm, Albert van der Horst alb...@spenarnc.xs4all.nl wrote: I really don't follow that. You need a tremendous set to write gimp. Obviously you won't write gimp in

Re: Tkinter: The good, the bad, and the ugly!

2011-01-17 Thread Albert van der Horst
In article 4d337983$0$29983$c3e8da3$54964...@news.astraweb.com, Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote: On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 07:18:16 -0800, Adam Skutt wrote: [...] I'm afraid I found most of your post hard to interpret, because you didn't give sufficient context for me to

Re: examples of realistic multiprocessing usage?

2011-01-17 Thread Albert van der Horst
In article mailman.842.1295212943.6505.python-l...@python.org, Philip Semanchuk phi...@semanchuk.com wrote: SNIP I grepped through the code to see that it's using = multiprocessing.Listener. I didn't go any further than that because our = project is BSD licensed and the license for Gluino is

Re: Tkinter: The good, the bad, and the ugly!

2011-01-17 Thread Adam Skutt
On Jan 17, 8:30 am, Albert van der Horst alb...@spenarnc.xs4all.nl wrote: We are not talking about running applications, but about writing applications. Someone has to write the applications I run... I count 4000+ .py files in my /usr/share alone on Ubuntu. Your set is totally

Re: examples of realistic multiprocessing usage?

2011-01-17 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
On Mon, 2011-01-17 at 13:55 +, Albert van der Horst wrote: In article mailman.842.1295212943.6505.python-l...@python.org, Philip Semanchuk phi...@semanchuk.com wrote: SNIP I grepped through the code to see that it's using = multiprocessing.Listener. I didn't go any further than that

Re: [Python-Dev] [python-committers] [RELEASED] Python 3.2 rc 1

2011-01-17 Thread Mark Summerfield
On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 09:23:39 -0500 R. David Murray rdmur...@bitdance.com wrote: On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 08:33:42 +, Mark Summerfield l...@qtrac.plus.com wrote: from ..Graphics import Xpm SVG = 1 I can do the relative import with Python 3.0 and 3.1 but not with 3.2rc1: What about

__pycache__, one more good reason to stck with Python 2?

2011-01-17 Thread jmfauth
As a scientist using computer tools, and not as a computer scientist, I discovered Python long time ago (it was in its 1.5.6 version) and I remain an happy user up to now date. Yesterday, I was happy to download and test Python 3.2rc1. Python is still this powerful and pleasant language, but... I

Re: __pycache__, one more good reason to stck with Python 2?

2011-01-17 Thread Brian Curtin
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 08:31, jmfauth wxjmfa...@gmail.com wrote: As a scientist using computer tools, and not as a computer scientist, I discovered Python long time ago (it was in its 1.5.6 version) and I remain an happy user up to now date. Yesterday, I was happy to download and test Python

Re: python 3 and Unicode line breaking

2011-01-17 Thread leoboiko
On Jan 14, 11:28 pm, Steven D'Aprano steve +comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote: Does this help? http://packages.python.org/kitchen/api-text-display.html Ooh, it doesn’t appear to be a full line-breaking implementation but it certainly helps for what I want to do in my project! Thanks much!

Re: [Python-Dev] [python-committers] [RELEASED] Python 3.2 rc 1

2011-01-17 Thread R. David Murray
On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 08:33:42 +, Mark Summerfield l...@qtrac.plus.com wrote: from ..Graphics import Xpm SVG = 1 I can do the relative import with Python 3.0 and 3.1 but not with 3.2rc1: What about 3.1.3? I wonder if it is related to this issue: http://bugs.python.org/issue7902 --

Re: [OT] Python like lanugages

2011-01-17 Thread Sherm Pendley
Tim Harig user...@ilthio.net writes: Functional programming has been around a long time; but, it only regained conciousness outside of academia because of its hyped abilities to make threading easier. I believe the widespread use of some functional techniques in JavaScript had a lot to do

Re: __pycache__, one more good reason to stck with Python 2?

2011-01-17 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 06:31:00 -0800, jmfauth wrote: As a scientist using computer tools, and not as a computer scientist, I discovered Python long time ago (it was in its 1.5.6 version) and I remain an happy user up to now date. Yesterday, I was happy to download and test Python 3.2rc1. Python

Re: [OT] Python like lanugages

2011-01-17 Thread Stefan Behnel
Sherm Pendley, 17.01.2011 16:47: I believe the widespread use of some functional techniques in JavaScript had a lot to do with that as well. I doubt that there's really widespread use of functional techniques in JavaScript. Such code may be widely deployed, but that doesn't tell anything

Re: Tkinter: The good, the bad, and the ugly!

2011-01-17 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 15:41:41 -0800, Adam Skutt wrote: If you're going to expect me to be that pedantic, then pay me the courtesy of taking the time to find the necessary context. Nevertheless, it's not the least bit unreasonable to address deficiencies in the standard library as deficiencies

Re: Tkinter: The good, the bad, and the ugly!

2011-01-17 Thread rantingrick
Everyone needs to jump off the troll wagon and come back to reality. We need to get back on topic and compare Tkinter and wxPython by nuts and bolts. We need to make a decision based on facts NOT misconceptions, based on merit NOT prejudice, and finally based on sanity NOT lunacy!

Re: [OT] Python like lanugages [was Re: After C++, what with Python?]

2011-01-17 Thread Stefan Behnel
Tim Harig, 17.01.2011 13:25: If I didn't think Python was a good language, I wouldn't be here. Nevertheless, it isn't a good fit for many pieces of software where a systems language is better suited. Reasons include ease of distribution without an interpeter, non-necessity of distributing

Re: [OT] Python like lanugages

2011-01-17 Thread Robin Becker
On 17/01/2011 16:02, Stefan Behnel wrote: Sherm Pendley, 17.01.2011 16:47: I believe the widespread use of some functional techniques in JavaScript had a lot to do with that as well. I doubt that there's really widespread use of functional techniques in JavaScript. Such code may be widely

Re: Career path - where next?

2011-01-17 Thread Alan Harris-Reid
Hi Fred, thanks for the reply. I have already contacted old clients (those that are still in business), but unfortunately they have either gone the 'off the shelf' route (ie. don't use bespoke software any more), or moved-over to .NET, which is a route which I don't want to follow. Still,

Need the list of XML parsers

2011-01-17 Thread Venu
Hi, I am getting into serious Python programming for Electronic CAD tools, I am trying to find the best XML parser modules available. I need good searching capability for attributes, nodes and block of XML. I am looking for either a recommendation or previous forum links. Thanks Venu --

Re: Need the list of XML parsers

2011-01-17 Thread Sudheer Satyanarayana
On Monday 17 January 2011 11:05 PM, Venu wrote: Hi, I am getting into serious Python programming for Electronic CAD tools, I am trying to find the best XML parser modules available. I need good searching capability for attributes, nodes and block of XML. I am looking for either a recommendation

Re: Need the list of XML parsers

2011-01-17 Thread hackingKK
Hi Venu, Use element tree module. This comes with Python itself and does all that you need with presision. I have already used it and it does a very very good job. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 17/01/11 23:05, Venu wrote: Hi, I am getting into serious Python programming for Electronic CAD

Re: Need the list of XML parsers

2011-01-17 Thread Stefan Behnel
Venu, 17.01.2011 18:35: I am getting into serious Python programming for Electronic CAD tools, I am trying to find the best XML parser modules available. I need good searching capability for attributes, nodes and block of XML. I am looking for either a recommendation or previous forum links.

Re: __pycache__, one more good reason to stck with Python 2?

2011-01-17 Thread jmfauth
No, I'm sorry, they're not obvious at all. These reasons become obious as soon as you start working. Let's take a practical point view. It did not take a long time to understand, that it is much simpler to delete the __pycache__ directory everytime I compile my scripts than to visit it just

Re: Tkinter: The good, the bad, and the ugly!

2011-01-17 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info Subject: Re: Tkinter: The good, the bad, and the ugly! On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 15:41:41 -0800, Adam Skutt wrote: If you're going to expect me to be that pedantic, then pay me the courtesy of taking the time to find the necessary

Re: Tkinter: The good, the bad, and the ugly!

2011-01-17 Thread rantingrick
On Jan 17, 12:27 pm, Octavian Rasnita orasn...@gmail.com wrote: And Python should also not include any editor because for some programmers it is absolutely useless anyway. The editor can be installed separately very easy and the programmers can choose the editor they like. The problem is

9 Month Python contract in Austin, TX

2011-01-17 Thread AlexLBasso
I am recruiting for a 9 month contract (with contract extension potential) for a company in North Austin. I am seeking an Applications Developer very familiar with the JavaScript toolkit. The position requires specific experience with Python, Dojo, and JQuery. In this role, you would be

Re: Tkinter: The good, the bad, and the ugly!

2011-01-17 Thread rantingrick
More post thoughts on removing all GUI's from stdlib... This change would not only affect Python in a positive way (lighting the proverbial load) it would also serve to speed the advancement of Tkinter because now Tkinter could advance at its own pace untethered by the release cycles of Python!

Re: Tkinter: The good, the bad, and the ugly!

2011-01-17 Thread Adam Skutt
On Jan 17, 11:01 am, Steven D'Aprano steve +comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote: I'm afraid that's precisely what I'm arguing you *can't* do -- there's nothing reasonable about equating the standard library with the language. Some languages don't even have a standard library, or for that

Re: [OT] Python like lanugages [was Re: After C++, what with Python?]

2011-01-17 Thread geremy condra
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 1:12 AM, Tim Harig user...@ilthio.net wrote: On 2011-01-16, geremy condra debat...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 3:03 AM, Tim Harig user...@ilthio.net wrote: On 2011-01-16, Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote: If the author thinks that

Re: Tkinter: The good, the bad, and the ugly!

2011-01-17 Thread rantingrick
Even more post thoughts on removing all GUI's from stlib... Q: If you could replace Tkinter with any module/library (THAT IS NOT A GUI OR IDE!!) what would you like to see fill its place? PS: And please make this decision from a *community* perspective and not pure selfishness. --

Re: [OT] Python like lanugages [was Re: After C++, what with Python?]

2011-01-17 Thread Tim Harig
In comp.lang.python, you wrote: Tim Harig, 17.01.2011 13:25: If I didn't think Python was a good language, I wouldn't be here. Nevertheless, it isn't a good fit for many pieces of software where a systems language is better suited. Reasons include ease of distribution without an interpeter,

CodeFest - Online Coding Festival by Computer Engineering Society, IT-BHU

2011-01-17 Thread vishal kumar rai
Hello, We are delighted to inform you that CodeFest, the annual International online coding festival of Computer Engineering Society, IT-BHU, has been unveiled. CodeFest is a unique fest wherein concepts of mathematics, logic, artificial intelligence, algorithms, language syntax, etc. are

Re: Tkinter: The good, the bad, and the ugly!

2011-01-17 Thread rantingrick
On Jan 17, 1:26 pm, Adam Skutt ask...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 17, 11:01 am, Steven D'Aprano steve Nevertheless, you can do good, useful work with only a minimal widget set. Back when dinosaurs walked the earth, [...snip...] And when a time machine warps all back to the 1980s, that

Re: Need the list of XML parsers

2011-01-17 Thread Venu Allipuram
lxml is a great one, but it is not simple to install libxml and libxslt on Linux using user permissions. Also it is hard to package the scripts after the complete development for release. Did anybody try this, if so please let me know your thoughts on this. Thanks venu On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at

Re: 9 Month Python contract in Austin, TX

2011-01-17 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 11:08:52 -0800 (PST) AlexLBasso alexlba...@gmail.com wrote: I am recruiting for a 9 month contract (with contract extension potential) for a company in North Austin. Please post on the job board instead: http://python.org/community/jobs/ Thank you Antoine. --

Should there be a 'core' python install? (was Re: Tkinter: The good, the bad, and the ugly!)

2011-01-17 Thread Martin P. Hellwig
On 01/17/11 19:39, rantingrick wrote: cut Q: If you could replace Tkinter with any module/library (THAT IS NOT A GUI OR IDE!!) what would you like to see fill its place? cut Some systems, like FreeBSD have Tkinter and IDLE as a separate package which is not installed by default. Purely

Re: Tkinter: The good, the bad, and the ugly!

2011-01-17 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 8:53 PM Subject: Re: Tkinter: The good, the bad, and the ugly! On Jan 17, 12:27 pm, Octavian Rasnita orasn...@gmail.com wrote: And Python should also not include any editor because for some programmers it is absolutely

Re: Tkinter: The good, the bad, and the ugly!

2011-01-17 Thread Octavian Rasnita
From: Adam Skutt ask...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Tkinter: The good, the bad, and the ugly! On Jan 17, 11:01 am, Steven D'Aprano steve +comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote: I'm afraid that's precisely what I'm arguing you *can't* do -- there's nothing reasonable about equating the standard

Re: Need the list of XML parsers

2011-01-17 Thread Venu
Hi Stefan Using cElementTree, would you be willing show to me how to find the nodes with certain attribute, ie search using attributes and attibute values. I did not see any example code from the cElementTree official website. Regards, Venu --

Re: [OT] Python like lanugages

2011-01-17 Thread John Nagle
On 1/17/2011 1:34 AM, Tim Harig wrote: On 2011-01-17, Paul Rubinno.email@nospam.invalid wrote: geremy condradebat...@gmail.com writes: Which is rather interesting because the OOP community had traditionally though of functional programming as a 1960's thing that didn't work out.

Re: Tkinter: The good, the bad, and the ugly!

2011-01-17 Thread Adam Skutt
On Jan 17, 3:08 pm, Octavian Rasnita orasn...@gmail.com wrote: From: Adam Skutt ask...@gmail.com And we're not discussing those languages, we're discussing Python, which has an explicit policy of batteries included.  As such, criticism of the standard library is perfectly acceptable under the

Re: [OT] Python like lanugages [was Re: After C++, what with Python?]

2011-01-17 Thread Tim Harig
On 2011-01-17, geremy condra debat...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 1:12 AM, Tim Harig user...@ilthio.net wrote: On 2011-01-16, geremy condra debat...@gmail.com wrote: I wouldn't say Go is narrowly targeted.  It's a systems language that can compete in the same domain with scripting

Re: Tkinter: The good, the bad, and the ugly!

2011-01-17 Thread Alexander Kapps
On 17.01.2011 21:04, Octavian Rasnita wrote: I say probably not considering the availability of 3rd party downloads. What say you, Python community? Available as 3rd party downloads: XML,HTML,... HTTP,FTP,SMTP,POP,IMAP/... MD5,SHA,... zip,bzip,... and so on and so on and so on. Remove them

Re: [OT] Python like lanugages

2011-01-17 Thread Tim Harig
On 2011-01-17, John Nagle na...@animats.com wrote: That's been done once or twice. There's what are called single assignment languages. Each variable can only be assigned once. The result looks like an imperative language but works like a functional language. Look up SISAL for an

Re: Should there be a 'core' python install? (was Re: Tkinter: The good, the bad, and the ugly!)

2011-01-17 Thread rantingrick
On Jan 17, 2:09 pm, Martin P. Hellwig martin.hell...@dcuktec.org wrote: fortunately it is not my call and I actually quite like Tkinter. Are you sure about that Martin? :))) From: Martin P. Hellwig martin.hell...@dcuktec.org Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: GUIs - A Modest

UTF-8 question from Dive into Python 3

2011-01-17 Thread carlo
Hi, recently I had to study *seriously* Unicode and encodings for one project in Python but I left with a couple of doubts arised after reading the unicode chapter of Dive into Python 3 book by Mark Pilgrim. 1- Mark says: Also (and you’ll have to trust me on this, because I’m not going to show

Re: [OT] Python like lanugages [was Re: After C++, what with Python?]

2011-01-17 Thread geremy condra
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 1:07 PM, Tim Harig user...@ilthio.net wrote: On 2011-01-17, geremy condra debat...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 1:12 AM, Tim Harig user...@ilthio.net wrote: On 2011-01-16, geremy condra debat...@gmail.com wrote: I wouldn't say Go is narrowly targeted.  It's

Efficient python 2-d arrays?

2011-01-17 Thread Jake Biesinger
Hi all, Using numpy, I can create large 2-dimensional arrays quite easily. import numpy mylist = numpy.zeros((1,2), dtype=numpy.int32) Unfortunately, my target audience may not have numpy so I'd prefer not to use it. Similarly, a list-of-tuples using standard python syntax. mylist =

Re: Should there be a 'core' python install? (was Re: Tkinter: The good, the bad, and the ugly!)

2011-01-17 Thread Martin P. Hellwig
On 01/17/11 22:00, rantingrick wrote: On Jan 17, 2:09 pm, Martin P. Hellwigmartin.hell...@dcuktec.org wrote: fortunately it is not my call and I actually quite like Tkinter. Are you sure about that Martin? :))) From: Martin P. Hellwigmartin.hell...@dcuktec.org Newsgroups: comp.lang.python

New to Jpype - TypeError .... class is not callable

2011-01-17 Thread plovet
Hello, I am trying to use jpype, but after several hours/days, I still cannot get it to work. I get a TypeError --- Package is not Callable error. (See below) I already have done a good workable chunk of code I wrote in Java that implements steam table calculations. After a few weeks of

Re: UTF-8 question from Dive into Python 3

2011-01-17 Thread Alexander Kapps
On 17.01.2011 23:19, carlo wrote: Is it true UTF-8 does not have any big-endian/little-endian issue because of its encoding method? And if it is true, why Mark (and everyone does) writes about UTF-8 with and without BOM some chapters later? What would be the BOM purpose then? Can't answer

Re: UTF-8 question from Dive into Python 3

2011-01-17 Thread Tim Harig
On 2011-01-17, carlo syseng...@gmail.com wrote: Is it true UTF-8 does not have any big-endian/little-endian issue because of its encoding method? And if it is true, why Mark (and everyone does) writes about UTF-8 with and without BOM some chapters later? What would be the BOM purpose then?

Re: UTF-8 question from Dive into Python 3

2011-01-17 Thread Antoine Pitrou
On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 14:19:13 -0800 (PST) carlo syseng...@gmail.com wrote: Is it true UTF-8 does not have any big-endian/little-endian issue because of its encoding method? Yes. And if it is true, why Mark (and everyone does) writes about UTF-8 with and without BOM some chapters later? What

Re: Tkinter: The good, the bad, and the ugly!

2011-01-17 Thread Terry Reedy
On 1/16/2011 11:20 PM, rantingrick wrote: Ok, try this... http://juicereceiver.sourceforge.net/screenshots/index.php http://www.sensi.org/~ak/pyslsk/pyslsk6.png http://www.wxwidgets.org/about/screensh.htm Ok, wxwidgets can look at least as good as tk. Agreed that wxpython

Re: Efficient python 2-d arrays?

2011-01-17 Thread Dan Stromberg
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Jake Biesinger jake.biesin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Using numpy, I can create large 2-dimensional arrays quite easily. import numpy mylist = numpy.zeros((1,2), dtype=numpy.int32) Unfortunately, my target audience may not have numpy so I'd prefer

Re: UTF-8 question from Dive into Python 3

2011-01-17 Thread carlo
On 17 Gen, 23:34, Antoine Pitrou solip...@pitrou.net wrote: On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 14:19:13 -0800 (PST) carlo syseng...@gmail.com wrote: Is it true UTF-8 does not have any big-endian/little-endian issue because of its encoding method? Yes. And if it is true, why Mark (and everyone does)

Re: Tkinter: The good, the bad, and the ugly!

2011-01-17 Thread rantingrick
On Jan 17, 4:47 pm, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: On 1/16/2011 11:20 PM, rantingrick wrote: Ok, try this...      http://juicereceiver.sourceforge.net/screenshots/index.php      http://www.sensi.org/~ak/pyslsk/pyslsk6.png      http://www.wxwidgets.org/about/screensh.htm Ok,

Re: __pycache__, one more good reason to stck with Python 2?

2011-01-17 Thread Terry Reedy
No. The benefit of, for instance, not adding 200 .pyc files to a directory with 200 .py files is immediately obvious to most people. On 1/17/2011 1:17 PM, jmfauth wrote: No, I'm sorry, they're not obvious at all. These reasons become obious as soon as you start working. Let's take a

Re: [OT] Python like lanugages [was Re: After C++, what with Python?]

2011-01-17 Thread Tim Harig
On 2011-01-17, geremy condra debat...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 1:07 PM, Tim Harig user...@ilthio.net wrote: On 2011-01-17, geremy condra debat...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 1:12 AM, Tim Harig user...@ilthio.net wrote: On 2011-01-16, geremy condra

FW: Entry of Non-European (Unicode or UTF-8) characters

2011-01-17 Thread J Smithfield
From: jsmithfi...@hotmail.co.uk To: w...@python.org Subject: Entry of Non-European (Unicode or UTF-8) characters Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 18:26:36 + Hi there. I have difficulty entering directly non-European Unicode characters into Python 3.2's interpreter. When I do enter them, I

Re: Efficient python 2-d arrays?

2011-01-17 Thread OAN
Hi, what about pytables? It's built for big data collections and it doesn't clog up the memory. Am 17.01.2011 23:54, schrieb Dan Stromberg: On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Jake Biesinger jake.biesin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Using numpy, I can create large 2-dimensional arrays quite

Re: Efficient python 2-d arrays?

2011-01-17 Thread Martin v. Loewis
Using numpy, I can create large 2-dimensional arrays quite easily. IIUC (please confirm), you don't need a generic two-dimensional array, but rather an Nx2 array, where N may be large (but the other dimension will always have a magnitude of 2). Since I want to keep the two elements together

Re: Efficient python 2-d arrays?

2011-01-17 Thread Jake Biesinger
On Monday, January 17, 2011 4:12:51 PM UTC-8, OAN wrote: Hi, what about pytables? It's built for big data collections and it doesn't clog up the memory. I thought PyTables depends on NumPy? Otherwise I would indeed use their carray module. Thanks! --

Re: Efficient python 2-d arrays?

2011-01-17 Thread Jake Biesinger
IIUC (please confirm), you don't need a generic two-dimensional array, but rather an Nx2 array, where N may be large (but the other dimension will always have a magnitude of 2). Yes, that's right, Nx2 not NxM. Since I want to keep the two elements together during a sort I assume (please

Re: __pycache__, one more good reason to stck with Python 2?

2011-01-17 Thread Flávio Lisbôa
That's why i disagree (and hate) the automatic compilation of code, my project directory becomes full of object files, and then i need to either delete everything manually or create a script to do the work (not in python, because it'll dirt things even more :). Sometimes i notice python doesn't

Re: Efficient python 2-d arrays?

2011-01-17 Thread Carl Banks
On Jan 17, 2:20 pm, Jake Biesinger jake.biesin...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a python standard library way of creating *efficient* 2-dimensional lists/arrays, still allowing me to sort and append? Without using third party libraries, no not really. numpy has it covered so there's not really a

Re: __pycache__, one more good reason to stck with Python 2?

2011-01-17 Thread Alice Bevan–McGregor
find . -name \*.pyc -exec rm -f {} \; vs. rm -rf __pycache__ I do not see how this is more difficult, but I may be missing something. — Alice. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

move to end, in Python 3.2 Really?

2011-01-17 Thread nn
I somehow missed this before. I like most of the additions from Raymond Hettinger. But the api on this baffles me a bit: d = OrderedDict.fromkeys('abcde') d.move_to_end('b', last=False) ''.join(d.keys) 'bacde' I understand that end could potentially mean either end, but would move_to_end

Re: move to end, in Python 3.2 Really?

2011-01-17 Thread rantingrick
On Jan 17, 8:51 pm, nn prueba...@latinmail.com wrote: I somehow missed this before. I like most of the additions from Raymond Hettinger. But the api on this baffles me a bit: If we are not careful with all these additions we could end up with a language like ruby which has wasteful methods to

Re: __pycache__, one more good reason to stck with Python 2?

2011-01-17 Thread Terry Reedy
On 1/17/2011 8:59 PM, Flávio Lisbôa wrote: That's why i disagree (and hate) the automatic compilation of code, my project directory becomes full of object files That is one point of stashing them all in a .__pycache__ directory. After reading some articles about it, I've come to think python

Re: __pycache__, one more good reason to stck with Python 2?

2011-01-17 Thread Ben Finney
Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu writes: On 1/17/2011 8:59 PM, Flávio Lisbôa wrote: But that's me, i'm sure most of python users don't mind at all. Seems so. Complaints are rare. That conclusion isn't valid; the behaviour is (AIUI) only in Python 3.2 and later. You can't presume that a lack of

Re: Tkinter: The good, the bad, and the ugly!

2011-01-17 Thread rusi
On Jan 18, 4:13 am, rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 17, 4:47 pm, Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote: On 1/16/2011 11:20 PM, rantingrick wrote: Ok, try this...      http://juicereceiver.sourceforge.net/screenshots/index.php      

Re: __pycache__, one more good reason to stck with Python 2?

2011-01-17 Thread Carl Banks
On Jan 17, 6:29 pm, Alice Bevan–McGregor al...@gothcandy.com wrote:         find . -name \*.pyc -exec rm -f {} \; vs.         rm -rf __pycache__ I do not see how this is more difficult, but I may be missing something. Well the former deletes all the pyc files in the directory tree whereas

Re: __pycache__, one more good reason to stck with Python 2?

2011-01-17 Thread Carl Banks
On Jan 17, 10:17 am, jmfauth wxjmfa...@gmail.com wrote: No, I'm sorry, they're not obvious at all. These reasons become obious as soon as you start working. Let's take a practical point view. It did not take a long time to understand, that it is much simpler to delete the __pycache__

Re: __pycache__, one more good reason to stck with Python 2?

2011-01-17 Thread Terry Reedy
On 1/17/2011 10:57 PM, Ben Finney wrote: Terry Reedytjre...@udel.edu writes: On 1/17/2011 8:59 PM, Flávio Lisbôa wrote: But that's me, i'm sure most of python users don't mind at all. Seems so. Complaints are rare. That conclusion isn't valid; the behaviour is (AIUI) only in Python 3.2

Re: __pycache__, one more good reason to stck with Python 2?

2011-01-17 Thread Carl Banks
On Jan 17, 10:17 am, jmfauth wxjmfa...@gmail.com wrote: That's life, unfortunately. Also, an earlier version of the proposal was to create a *.pyr directory for each *.py file. That was a real mess; be thankful they worked on it and came up with a much cleaner method. Carl Banks --

Re: Tkinter: The good, the bad, and the ugly!

2011-01-17 Thread rantingrick
On Jan 17, 10:24 pm, rusi rustompm...@gmail.com wrote: The quality of ... systems will  decline unless they are rigorously maintained and adapted to operational environment changes. This is both eloquent and frightening at the same time when applied to the current state of Python's stdlib. We

Re: [OT] Python like lanugages [was Re: After C++, what with Python?]

2011-01-17 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Mon, 17 Jan 2011 19:41:54 +, Tim Harig wrote: One of the arguments for Python has always made is that you can optimize it by writing the most important parts in C. Perhaps that is a crutch that has held the communty back from seeking higher performance solutions in the language

Re: move to end, in Python 3.2 Really?

2011-01-17 Thread Carl Banks
On Jan 17, 6:51 pm, nn prueba...@latinmail.com wrote: I somehow missed this before. I like most of the additions from Raymond Hettinger. But the api on this baffles me a bit: d = OrderedDict.fromkeys('abcde') d.move_to_end('b', last=False) ''.join(d.keys) 'bacde' I understand that end

Re: move to end, in Python 3.2 Really?

2011-01-17 Thread Raymond Hettinger
On Jan 17, 6:51 pm, nn prueba...@latinmail.com wrote: ...But the api on this baffles me a bit: d = OrderedDict.fromkeys('abcde') d.move_to_end('b', last=False) ''.join(d.keys) 'bacde' I understand that end could potentially mean either end, but would move_to_end and move_to_beginning

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