On 21/12/2013 07:35, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 6:24 PM, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
On 21/12/2013 07:20, Devin Jeanpierre wrote:
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 11:16 PM, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk
wrote:
The subject refers to the list sort method
On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 6:59 PM, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Now where was I...
Australia!
ChrisA
[1] http://www.princessbride.8m.com/script.htm
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Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 20/12/2013 14:19, Roy Smith wrote:
http://xkcd.com/1306/
I believe that to be a very superficial like. They're unlike in that
once C++ people have compiled their code they can head down to the pub,
but Python people have to stay at work testing because the
Michael Torrie wrote:
Maybe BASIC's of the 70s. But Not QB. QuickBasic was a pretty
impressive compiler in its day. Completely modern, structured language.
I may have been thinking of GW-BASIC. There was
definitely something that was pretty much an
old-school BASIC with line numbers, GOSUBS
On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 7:06 PM, Gregory Ewing
greg.ew...@canterbury.ac.nz wrote:
Michael Torrie wrote:
Maybe BASIC's of the 70s. But Not QB. QuickBasic was a pretty
impressive compiler in its day. Completely modern, structured language.
I may have been thinking of GW-BASIC. There was
On 21/12/2013 08:09, Gregory Ewing wrote:
Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 20/12/2013 14:19, Roy Smith wrote:
http://xkcd.com/1306/
I believe that to be a very superficial like. They're unlike in that
once C++ people have compiled their code they can head down to the
pub, but Python people have to
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 9:34 PM, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
On 20/12/2013 14:19, Roy Smith wrote:
http://xkcd.com/1306/
I believe that to be a very superficial like. They're unlike in that once
C++ people have compiled their code they can head down to the pub, but
Python
On 21/12/2013 08:18, Dan Stromberg wrote:
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 9:34 PM, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
On 20/12/2013 14:19, Roy Smith wrote:
http://xkcd.com/1306/
I believe that to be a very superficial like. They're unlike in that once
C++ people have compiled their code
Is this something that would be pep-able?
https://gist.github.com/brianbruggeman/8061774
Thanks in advance.
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Brian Bruggeman wrote:
Is this something that would be pep-able?
https://gist.github.com/brianbruggeman/8061774
There's no need to put such a small piece of code into an external
repository.
class someAwesomeClass(object):
an example
@property
def some_attr(self,
Am 21.12.13 09:06, schrieb Gregory Ewing:
Michael Torrie wrote:
Maybe BASIC's of the 70s. But Not QB. QuickBasic was a pretty
impressive compiler in its day. Completely modern, structured language.
I may have been thinking of GW-BASIC. There was
definitely something that was pretty much an
On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 15:26:10 -0600, Brian Bruggeman wrote:
Is this something that would be pep-able?
I don't know. What is it? I'm sure your code is the most fabulous,
awesome and brilliant thing since Grace Hopper came up with FORmula
TRANslation back in the 1950s, but my browser has over
On Sat, 21 Dec 2013 05:34:51 +, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 20/12/2013 14:19, Roy Smith wrote:
http://xkcd.com/1306/
I believe that to be a very superficial like. They're unlike in that
once C++ people have compiled their code they can head down to the pub,
Ah, the good ol' It compiles,
On Sat, 21 Dec 2013 00:18:33 -0800, Dan Stromberg wrote:
C++ should use automated tests too, but is often used without because
the compilers make it almost reasonable to do without.
For some definition of reasonable that I haven't come across before.
I'd like to see the compiler that can
On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 2:14 AM, Peter Otten __pete...@web.de wrote:
If I were to implement something like this I'd probably use the old trick
with nested functions:
def getset(f):
funcs = f()
return property(funcs.get(get), funcs.get(set))
class A(object):
@getset
def
On 21/12/2013 11:31, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 15:26:10 -0600, Brian Bruggeman wrote:
Is this something that would be pep-able?
I don't know. What is it? I'm sure your code is the most fabulous,
awesome and brilliant thing since Grace Hopper came up with FORmula
TRANslation
On 21/12/2013 11:37, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Sat, 21 Dec 2013 05:34:51 +, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 20/12/2013 14:19, Roy Smith wrote:
http://xkcd.com/1306/
I believe that to be a very superficial like. They're unlike in that
once C++ people have compiled their code they can head down
On 21/12/2013 01:58, Ned Batchelder wrote:
If you have a zero, you can split on it with:
bytestring.split(bytes([0])), but that doesn't explain why find can take
a simple zero, and split has to take a bytestring with a zero in it.
Create a bytearray(range(256)) and partition it on 128. I'd
On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 16:00:22 +, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 20/12/2013 15:34, rusi wrote:
You are also assuming that the two horizontal lines sometimes called
'equals' have something to do with something called by the same name in
math -- equations
A good point. Shall I write a PEP
On Sat, 21 Dec 2013 12:29:14 +, Mark Lawrence wrote:
Create a bytearray(range(256)) and partition it on 128. I'd expect to
see the original effectively cut in half with 128 as the separator. You
actually get the original with two empty bytearrays, which makes no
sense to me at all.
I
Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 21/12/2013 01:58, Ned Batchelder wrote:
If you have a zero, you can split on it with:
bytestring.split(bytes([0])), but that doesn't explain why find can take
a simple zero, and split has to take a bytestring with a zero in it.
Create a bytearray(range(256)) and
Den 2013-12-20 skrev Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk:
On 20/12/2013 17:52, Martin Schöön wrote:
Coming from many years of SUN Solaris experience I may be a bit
spoiled when it comes to robustness :-)
You never had the pleasure of working on VMS then? :)
Only very, very little and I
On 2013-12-21 08:43, Tim Chase wrote:
Then there's the 6502 assembly on that Apple with its 2 user-facing
registers (plus the Instruction Pointer and Stack Pointer), so I
guess you could say that it has 1-bit variable names ;-)
Doh, forgot momentarily that the 6502 had X, Y, and A, making
On 2013-12-21 11:19, Christian Gollwitzer wrote:
GW-BASIC was a weak language, but two significant characters is
definitely too few. I think it was eight. Never used QuickBasic, I
went Turbo Pascal instead, which had 32 significant characters.
In know that my first BASIC, Applesoft BASIC had
In article mailman.4462.1387614224.18130.python-l...@python.org,
Dan Stromberg drsali...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 9:34 PM, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk
wrote:
On 20/12/2013 14:19, Roy Smith wrote:
http://xkcd.com/1306/
I believe that to be a very
On 12/21/2013 01:17 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
GW-BASIC is what you're describing. Q-BASIC isn't the same as
QuickBasic, though. Q-BASIC had subs and functions and stuff, but it
was still, at its heart, BASIC. And you could DIM something with a
type, but normally it was the adorning suffix that
In article mailman.4472.1387638502.18130.python-l...@python.org,
Tim Chase python.l...@tim.thechases.com wrote:
In know that my first BASIC, Applesoft BASIC had the 2-character
names, and you had to load Integer Basic (with Ints in addition to the
standard Floats used in the BASIC provided by
On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:45:08 AM UTC-8, twilk...@gmail.com wrote:
How exactly do I import a .wav file and run it?
also is it possible to run it inside a while loop if so or it just start
playing when its run? - Tom 14
Using Pyside/PyQt you can play wave files this way ...
On 2013-12-21 10:59, Roy Smith wrote:
In know that my first BASIC, Applesoft BASIC had the 2-character
names, and you had to load Integer Basic (with Ints in addition
to the standard Floats used in the BASIC provided by the ROM, a
strange choice).
Why is it a strange choice? If
Is there a way to make linebased graphic used in canvas scale correct on any
monitor?
I run in 1920*1080 on a Philips TV used as monitor does it matter, lines tend
to get longer vertical then horizontal?
Strange is i really do not see it writing out recangles.
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On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 3:54 AM, Dennis Lee Bieber
wlfr...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
(heh, the spell-checker suggests that
thefullyqualifiednameontheleftafteranysubexpressionshavebeenevaluatedisattachedt
should be replaced with textually)
The spell-checker was scratching its head and going I'm
On 12/21/13 1:30 PM, jonas.thornv...@gmail.com wrote:
Is there a way to make linebased graphic used in canvas scale correct on any
monitor?
I run in 1920*1080 on a Philips TV used as monitor does it matter, lines tend
to get longer vertical then horizontal?
Strange is i really do not see it
On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 2:59 AM, Roy Smith r...@panix.com wrote:
In article mailman.4472.1387638502.18130.python-l...@python.org,
Tim Chase python.l...@tim.thechases.com wrote:
In know that my first BASIC, Applesoft BASIC had the 2-character
names, and you had to load Integer Basic (with
On Saturday 21 December 2013 13:57:37 Tim Chase did opine:
On 2013-12-21 08:43, Tim Chase wrote:
Then there's the 6502 assembly on that Apple with its 2 user-facing
registers (plus the Instruction Pointer and Stack Pointer), so I
guess you could say that it has 1-bit variable names ;-)
Den lördagen den 21:e december 2013 kl. 20:03:17 UTC+1 skrev Ned Batchelder:
On 12/21/13 1:30 PM, jonas.thornv...@gmail.com wrote:
Is there a way to make linebased graphic used in canvas scale correct on
any monitor?
I run in 1920*1080 on a Philips TV used as monitor does it
On 21/12/2013 16:54, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
On 21 Dec 2013 12:58:41 GMT, Steven D'Aprano
steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info declaimed the following:
On Fri, 20 Dec 2013 16:00:22 +, Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 20/12/2013 15:34, rusi wrote:
You are also assuming that the two horizontal
On 21/12/2013 13:20, Peter Otten wrote:
Mark Lawrence wrote:
On 21/12/2013 01:58, Ned Batchelder wrote:
If you have a zero, you can split on it with:
bytestring.split(bytes([0])), but that doesn't explain why find can take
a simple zero, and split has to take a bytestring with a zero in it.
On 12/21/13 2:12 PM, jonas.thornv...@gmail.com wrote:
Den lördagen den 21:e december 2013 kl. 20:03:17 UTC+1 skrev Ned Batchelder:
On 12/21/13 1:30 PM, jonas.thornv...@gmail.com wrote:
Is there a way to make linebased graphic used in canvas scale correct on any
monitor?
I run in
Den lördagen den 21:e december 2013 kl. 20:56:54 UTC+1 skrev Ned Batchelder:
On 12/21/13 2:12 PM, jonas.thornv...@gmail.com wrote:
Den l�rdagen den 21:e december 2013 kl. 20:03:17 UTC+1 skrev Ned
Batchelder:
On 12/21/13 1:30 PM, jonas.thornv...@gmail.com wrote:
Is there a way
On Saturday 21 December 2013 14:08:02 Chris Angelico did opine:
On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 3:54 AM, Dennis Lee Bieber
wlfr...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
(heh, the spell-checker suggests that
thefullyqualifiednameontheleftafteranysubexpressionshavebeenevaluated
isattachedt should be replaced with
On 12/21/2013 11:59 AM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
On 21 Dec 2013 11:31:22 GMT, Steven D'Aprano
I don't know. What is it? I'm sure your code is the most fabulous,
awesome and brilliant thing since Grace Hopper came up with FORmula
TRANslation back in the 1950s,
As I recall, Grace Hopper was
On 12/21/2013 10:10 AM, Roy Smith wrote:
On the last large C++ project I worked on, we decided (i.e. obeyed a
corporate mandate) to start using Coverity's static analysis tool on our
15 year old codebase. I learned a few things about static analysis then.
CPython was about that old when
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Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
On 12/21/2013 10:10 AM, Roy Smith wrote:
On the last large C++ project I worked on, we decided (i.e. obeyed a
corporate mandate) to start using Coverity's static analysis tool on our
15
Christian Gollwitzer wrote:
GW-BASIC was a weak language, but two significant characters is
definitely too few. I think it was eight.
That may have been true for MS-DOS era BASICS. If
you have a whopping 640KB for your program, then
it doesn't matter so much.
The 8-bit era was much more
Tim Chase wrote:
Doh, forgot momentarily that the 6502 had X, Y, and A, making THREE
registers. ooh, the luxury of 2-bit naming conventions! :-D
Two bits? That's enough to name FOUR registers!
We've been cheated!
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On 12/21/2013 5:28 PM, Roy Smith wrote:
In article mailman.4486.1387663424.18130.python-l...@python.org,
Terry Reedy tjre...@udel.edu wrote:
On 12/21/2013 10:10 AM, Roy Smith wrote:
On the last large C++ project I worked on, we decided (i.e. obeyed a
corporate mandate) to start using
Tim Chase wrote:
In know that my first BASIC, Applesoft BASIC had the 2-character
names, and you had to load Integer Basic (with Ints in addition to the
standard Floats used in the BASIC provided by the ROM, a strange
choice).
That's not the way I remember it working. Integer Basic
provided
Michael Torrie wrote:
And you could DIM something with a
type, but normally it was the adorning suffix that determined type: A$
is a string, A% is an integer, A! (or A) is float, A# is double.
Some versions of 8-bit Microsoft Basic also had a way of
overriding the default type for a range of
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I'm trying to pass a vector for the pygame function pygame.transform.rotate The
only issue is that this doesn't work and I'm in grade 10 and haven't done the
trig unit yet :L
Does anyone know a workaround? here is my code if it will help
http://pastebin.com/FZQB5eux
here is a link to the
testing
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On 12/21/2013 08:24 PM, Downright Trows wrote:
I'm trying to pass a vector for the pygame function pygame.transform.rotate The
only issue is that this doesn't work and I'm in grade 10 and haven't done the
trig unit yet :L
Does anyone know a workaround? here is my code if it will help
Stefan Krah added the comment:
Well, generally I'd be against adding features, but this particular one
could be rationalized in the same way as PEP 414. So I'm simply unsure
whether the feature should be added, but *if* it's added, it should
be backed by a pronouncement either from the RM or
New submission from Arnaut Billings:
There is no documentation for argparse.ArgumentTypeError:
http://docs.python.org/3/library/unittest.html
Though it does appear in an example and its usage is simple enough to decipher
what it means, it would none the less look more professional if there
STINNER Victor added the comment:
This issue is a duplicate of issue #20037.
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Terry J. Reedy added the comment:
PEP414 was about adding a feature to 3.3 well before the first alpha release.
What Guido has recently said about 2.7 is that after 3 1/2 years we should
concentrate on build issues such as came up with the new OSX and de-emphasize
or even cease fixing bugs.
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superseder: - Calling traceback.format_exception() during Pyhon shutdown does
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Antoine Pitrou added the comment:
Yes, the current idiom for calling PyModule_GetState in extension modules isn't
safe (because it assumes nothing ever errors out, which can be wrong in the
shutdown phase).
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Antoine Pitrou added the comment:
Speaking of which, Victor, your script works here:
$ ./python futcrash.py
Future/Task exception was never retrieved:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File futcrash.py, line 4, in module
raise ValueError()
ValueError
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Ah, that was before the latest changes. Scratch that.
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Antoine Pitrou added the comment:
See issue18710 for an API proposal which may help in some cases.
Also, see https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2013-August/127862.html
for an involved discussion of issues with the current module state scheme.
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Note that the module state is only used when no explicit encoding is given to
TextIOWrapper(), so the following patch fixes this particular issue:
$ hg di
diff --git a/Modules/_io/textio.c b/Modules/_io/textio.c
--- a/Modules/_io/textio.c
+++
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Here is a patch with tests.
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STINNER Victor added the comment:
Oh, I think that #19421 was also a duplicate of this issue. Updated example
from this issue: attached script crash_logging_exc_info.py.
Output:
---
$ ./python crash_logging_exc_info.py
Erreur de segmentation (core dumped)
---
Output with
STINNER Victor added the comment:
iostate_shutdown.patch: _PyIO_State *state = IO_STATE; looks weird to me. The
macro should be take parenthesis: _PyIO_State *state = IO_STATE();. When I
read IO_STATE, it looks like a global variable, whereas it does call a real
function.
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The sys.settrace documentation states:
The trace function is invoked (with event set to 'call') whenever a new local
scope is entered;
it should return a reference to a local trace function to be used that scope,
or None if the scope shouldn’t be traced.
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New submission from Xavier de Gaye:
Section 3.2 of 'The Python Language Reference' states:
f_trace, if not None, is a function called at the start of each source code
line
Run the attached tracer.py and see that although f_trace is None in both cases
when 'cmd' is either
'delete' or 'set',
Xavier de Gaye added the comment:
A patch proposed in issue 20041 provides a backward compatible solution to this
performance enhancement.
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Stefan Krah added the comment:
Also on System Z:
http://buildbot.python.org/all/builders/System%20Z%20Linux%203.x/builds/1009/steps/test/logs/stdio
Setting priority to normal, since it's the only test failing on
System Z and generally green buildbots are more useful.
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A patch is proposed in issue 20041.
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Xavier de Gaye added the comment:
See also issue 20040.
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STINNER Victor added the comment:
Oh, I didn't notice this issue. I created the duplicate #19753 and I did some
changes to try to fix it.
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New submission from Konstantin Zemlyak:
Running `py.exe юникод.py` in cmd window fails:
E:\set PYLAUNCH_DEBUG=1
E:\py юникод.py
launcher build: 32bit
launcher executable: Console
File 'C:\Users\Zart\AppData\Local\py.ini' non-existent
Using global configuration file 'C:\Windows\py.ini'
Called
STINNER Victor added the comment:
When trying to workaround a bug in the implementation of the PEP 456 (which was
not known as a bug at this time), I implemented something using subprocessing
which may be reused on SystemZ (or maybe on all platforms):
changeset: 87290:11cb1c8faf11
user:
Changes by Konstantin Zemlyak z...@zartsoft.ru:
Removed file:
http://bugs.python.org/file33247/pylauncher-fix-launcing-unicode-filenames.patch
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Konstantin Zemlyak added the comment:
Sorry, fixed whitespaces in the patch.
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STINNER Victor added the comment:
It looks like the wide character strings (wchar_t*) are misused. For example:
error(RC_NO_PYTHON, LRequested Python version (%s) ..., p[1]);
fwprintf(stdout, Lusage: %s ...\n\n, argv[0]);
The %s formatter is for byte string (char*), %ls should be used instead.
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Konstantin Zemlyak added the comment:
I don't care much about debug output though it probably should be fixed.
The point is that changing text mode of stdout has a weird side effect of
fixing command-line arguments when invoking interactively from cmd.exe.
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There is a command to generate a list a list versionchanged, but I don't
remember it.
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New submission from Stefan Krah:
http://buildbot.python.org/all/builders/AMD64%20Fedora%20without%20threads%203.x/builds/5874/steps/test/logs/stdio
test test_multiprocessing_main_handling crashed -- Traceback (most recent call
last):
File
STINNER Victor added the comment:
Sorry, but I don't understand this issue. Well, I understood the issue as When
I press CTRL+c to interrupt Python, Python does exit. What's wrong with that?
Why do you send CTRL+c if you don't want Python to exit?
Using custom signal handler (SIG_IGN), it
Roundup Robot added the comment:
New changeset 9158f201f6d0 by Antoine Pitrou in branch 'default':
Issue #20037: Avoid crashes when doing text I/O late at interpreter shutdown.
http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/9158f201f6d0
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Applied Victor's comments and committed the fix.
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STINNER Victor added the comment:
Applied Victor's comments
Thanks!
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New changeset 568391b3eda9 by Christian Heimes in branch 'default':
Issue #16136: Remove VMS support and VMS-related code
http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/568391b3eda9
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Nick Coghlan added the comment:
Donald updated CPython to pip 1.5rc2, so test_venv is now passing without
threading support:
http://buildbot.python.org/all/builders/AMD64%20Fedora%20without%20threads%203.x/builds/5874/steps/test/logs/stdio
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Nick Coghlan added the comment:
OK, since pip 1.5 will still have the SSL/TLS dependency, the approach I'll go
with for 3.4 is to:
1. Have ensurepip refuse to bootstrap pip if the ssl module is not available
(noting that we'll remove that restriction if pip 1.6 avoids the strict
dependency)
Changes by Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com:
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assignee: - ncoghlan
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http://bugs.python.org/issue19734
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Christian Heimes added the comment:
All VMS code has been removed except for some code in Lib/platform.py.
MAL:
Do you want to keep the code in the platform module?
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assignee: - lemburg
nosy: +lemburg
resolution: - fixed
stage: - committed/rejected
status: open - pending
telmich added the comment:
Victor, the problem is *not* that python exits. This is fine and virtually
every other unix program behaves like that.
The problem is that python throws an ugly-to-read and completly senseless
backtrace to the novice (end!) user by default. Backtraces are great for
Berker Peksag added the comment:
This is fixed by changeset http://hg.python.org/cpython/rev/239faf6b6e8d:
http://buildbot.python.org/all/builders/AMD64%20Fedora%20without%20threads%203.x/builds/5875/steps/test/logs/stdio
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components: +Library (Lib), Tests -2to3 (2.x to 3.x
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