On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
> Chris Angelico :
>
>> Python defaults to the most common case, where they're connected to a
>> console, and does its best to allow print() to write Unicode to any
>> console.
>
> I don't know where you pull your statistics.
Heaps and HEAPS
Chris Angelico :
> Python defaults to the most common case, where they're connected to a
> console, and does its best to allow print() to write Unicode to any
> console.
I don't know where you pull your statistics.
Be that as it may, the main purpose of sys.stdin is to receive the
workload and s
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
> Steven D'Aprano :
>
>> On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 23:01:25 +0300, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>>> In fact, I find the lazy use of Unicode strings at least as scary as
>>> the lazy use of byte strings, especially since Python 3 sneaks
>>> Unicode to the o
Steven D'Aprano :
> On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 23:01:25 +0300, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>> In fact, I find the lazy use of Unicode strings at least as scary as
>> the lazy use of byte strings, especially since Python 3 sneaks
>> Unicode to the outer interfaces of the program (files, IPC).
>
> I'm not entire
On 07/15/2014 08:56 PM, barontro...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I'm very new to python programming.
I would like to ask how come when I send ISO8583 to the server, I didn't get
any response back.
This is not really a Python question, but should rather be asked of
whoever created the ISO8583 module.
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 6:32 AM, Charles Hixson
wrote:
> from queue import Empty, Full
Not sure what this is for, you never use those names (and I don't have
a 'queue' module to import from). Dropped that line. In any case, I
don't think it's your problem...
> if __name__ == "__main__":
> db
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 1:51 PM, Steven D'Aprano
wrote:
> Perhaps the *stupidest* thing the author of the "Python 3 is killing
> Python" blog post wrote was that it's easier to port Python code to a
> *completely different language*. I cannot fathom the idiocy of somebody
> who bitches and moans t
Hi,
I'm very new to python programming.
I would like to ask how come when I send ISO8583 to the server, I didn't get
any response back.
If I send it incorrect parameter, the server will reply but if I send it
correctly, the server didn't response.
The original client is in java using ISOMUX, I
On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 23:01:25 +0300, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
> Steven D'Aprano :
>
>> Unicode strings in Python 2 are second class entities.
>
> I don't see that. They form a type just like, say, complex.
I didn't say they were a second class type. I choose my words carefully,
although I guess wh
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 5:23 AM, Rick Johnson
wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 15, 2014 5:40:29 PM UTC-5, Abhiram R wrote:
> > [snip excessive quotations]
> > Aah. Understood. Apologies for the "noobishness" :)
>
> Noobishness can be tolerated for a "reasonable" time,
> especially when the "noob" active
On Tuesday, July 15, 2014 3:27:15 PM UTC+9, Omar Abou Mrad wrote:
> Dear Orakaro,
>
>
> Cool app you have there. Please consider the following comments as feedback
> in the most positive sense possible:
>
>
> - I didn't care for the figlet, it's noise beyond anything else, if you drop
> it, y
On Tuesday, July 15, 2014 5:36:40 AM UTC+9, Terry Reedy wrote:
> On 7/13/2014 11:51 PM, Chris Angelico wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Orakaro wrote:
>
> >> I use README.md for Github and README.rst for PyPi. Is there a way to use
> >> only one file for both sites ?
>
> >
>
> >
On 7/15/14, 9:56 PM, Nicholas Cannon wrote:
Hey i have made an app and i have made a .msi for windows with py2exe and i
have also exported it with py2app on mac. No problems here they all work fine.
I then put the .msi on sourceforge and it works great but when i put the .app
on there and down
On Wed, 16 Jul 2014 03:07:23 +0530, Abhiram R wrote about Python 2.7:
> Annd I just saw that the lifetime has been pushed up to 2020 :)
> #SelfCorrected
Even when free support runs out, commercial support will be available.
Red Hat is already committed to supporting Python 2.7 until 2023, and if
Hey i have made an app and i have made a .msi for windows with py2exe and i
have also exported it with py2app on mac. No problems here they all work fine.
I then put the .msi on sourceforge and it works great but when i put the .app
on there and download it it says something like i can open this
On 2014-07-16 00:53, Rick Johnson wrote:
On Tuesday, July 15, 2014 5:40:29 PM UTC-5, Abhiram R wrote:
[snip excessive quotations]
Aah. Understood. Apologies for the "noobishness" :)
Noobishness can be tolerated for a "reasonable" time, especially when
the "noob" actively seeks to improve his s
On 7/15/14, 6:38 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
I did see your correction but it gave me an opportunity to mention
google groups, something that just can't be missed
If the newgroup had a filter to trim out complaints about Google groups,
half the traffic would be gone. :-)
--
Kevin Walzer
Code
On Tuesday, July 15, 2014 5:40:29 PM UTC-5, Abhiram R wrote:
> [snip excessive quotations]
> Aah. Understood. Apologies for the "noobishness" :)
Noobishness can be tolerated for a "reasonable" time,
especially when the "noob" actively seeks to improve his
skills, as you are doing, so kudos to you
On 15 July 2014 23:40, Abhiram R wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 4:00 AM, Kevin Walzer wrote:
>>
>> ...but Unix/newsgroup ettiquette says that it's gauche to [top post],
>> because it presents an unacceptable cognitive burden to the user trying to
>> catch the context of the thread by forcing t
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 4:00 AM, Kevin Walzer wrote:
> "Top posting" is the practice of responding to an e-mail thread by putting
> your response at the top of the text you are quoting. It's standard
> practice in the corporate world...
>
> On 7/15/14, 6:13 PM, Abhiram R wrote:
>
>> a) What is "t
On 15/07/2014 23:13, Abhiram R wrote:
a) What is "top post"?
b)I did correct myself in the next post. Or maybe you missed that.
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 3:19 AM, Mark Lawrence mailto:breamore...@yahoo.co.uk>> wrote:
On 15/07/2014 22:35, Abhiram R wrote:
Umm..Guido Van Rossum said in
"Top posting" is the practice of responding to an e-mail thread by
putting your response at the top of the text you are quoting. It's
standard practice in the corporate world...
On 7/15/14, 6:13 PM, Abhiram R wrote:
a) What is "top post"?Â
...but Unix/newsgroup ettiquette says that it's gau
a) What is "top post"?
b)I did correct myself in the next post. Or maybe you missed that.
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 3:19 AM, Mark Lawrence
wrote:
> On 15/07/2014 22:35, Abhiram R wrote:
>
>> Umm..Guido Van Rossum said in Pycon 2014 that Py 2.x would be supported
>> only until 2015 :-| So...you kn
On 15/07/2014 22:35, Abhiram R wrote:
Umm..Guido Van Rossum said in Pycon 2014 that Py 2.x would be supported
only until 2015 :-| So...you know.. you have like an year before you /do
/have to migrate to 3.x .
--
Abhiram.R
M.Tech CSE (Sem 3)
RVCE
Bangalore
a) please don't top post, this is alm
Umm..Guido Van Rossum said in Pycon 2014 that Py 2.x would be supported
only until 2015 :-| So...you know.. you have like an year before you *do *have
to migrate to 3.x .
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 2:17 AM, Devin Jeanpierre
wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Mark Lawrence
> wrote:
> > On 1
Annd I just saw that the lifetime has been pushed up to 2020 :)
#SelfCorrected
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 3:05 AM, Abhiram R wrote:
> Umm..Guido Van Rossum said in Pycon 2014 that Py 2.x would be supported
> only until 2015 :-| So...you know.. you have like an year before you *do *have
> to migrat
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Rick Johnson
wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 15, 2014 1:53:27 PM UTC-5, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
>
>> No software developer is obliged to support their software
>> forever, especially if they are giving it away for free
>> [...] Nobody but nobody is supporting Python 1.1 a
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
> On 15/07/2014 18:38, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>>
>> Chris Angelico :
>>
>>> Fine. Tell me how you would go about adding true Unicode support to
>>> Python 2.7, while still having it able to import an unchanged program.
>>> Trick question - it's
I don't think I can reduce it much beyond this. I'm trying to run
Sqlite in a separate process, but I'm running into problems.
*The code:*
from collectionsimportnamedtuple
from multiprocessing import Process, Queue, current_process
from queue import Empty, Full
Msg=namedtuple (
On Tuesday, July 15, 2014 1:53:27 PM UTC-5, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
> No software developer is obliged to support their software
> forever, especially if they are giving it away for free
> [...] Nobody but nobody is supporting Python 1.1 any more,
> no matter how many security holes it has.
Of cou
On 15/07/2014 18:38, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
Chris Angelico :
Fine. Tell me how you would go about adding true Unicode support to
Python 2.7, while still having it able to import an unchanged program.
Trick question - it's fundamentally impossible, because an unchanged
program will not distinguis
Steven D'Aprano :
> Unicode strings in Python 2 are second class entities.
I don't see that. They form a type just like, say, complex.
> It's not just that people will, in general, take the lazy way and
> write "foo" instead of u"foo" for their strings.
People live with their choices, and I don
Steven D'Aprano :
> On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 21:08:03 +0300, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>
>> I agree it was a grave mistake.
>
> On what basis do you believe it was a mistake?
The supposed flaws in Python 2 weren't a good enough reason to break
backward-compatibility.
Marko
--
https://mail.python.org/ma
On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 20:38:40 +0300, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
> Python 2 has always had unicode strings and [byte] strings. They were
> always clearly distinguished. You really didn't have to change anything
> for "true Unicode support".
If that were true, then migrating from Python 2 to 3 would be m
On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 21:08:03 +0300, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
> I agree it was a grave mistake.
On what basis do you believe it was a mistake?
--
Steven
--
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 11:01:53 -0700, Rick Johnson wrote:
> Are you so foolish as to believe that if code runs cleanly *immediately*
> after translating via "2to3", that the code is now completely free from
> translation bugs?
If your code has a thorough set of unittests that continue to pass, then
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Rick Johnson
wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 15, 2014 9:31:31 AM UTC-5, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> [...] That said, though, I would advise you to give 2to3 a
>> shot. You never know, it might do exactly what you need
>> right out-of-the-box and give you a 3.x-compatible
>
On 2014-07-15, alister wrote:
> Never let the facts get in the way of a good punchline :-)
Ah!
That explains it!
The Iraq war must have been a _joke_. It sure went over my head...
--
Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! My Aunt MAUREEN was a
Rick Johnson :
> So in other words, "we're" know now we made a bad decision by creating
> this Python3000 thing, because nobody seems to be jumping on the
> bandwagon, but instead of admitting we were wrong, we'll just cling to
> our new shiny *THING* and hope *EVENTUALLY*, if we brow-beat *ENOUGH
On Tuesday, July 15, 2014 9:31:31 AM UTC-5, Chris Angelico wrote:
> [...] That said, though, I would advise you to give 2to3 a
> shot. You never know, it might do exactly what you need
> right out-of-the-box and give you a 3.x-compatible
> codebase in one hit.
Ha!
Are you so foolish as to believ
Chris Angelico :
> Fine. Tell me how you would go about adding true Unicode support to
> Python 2.7, while still having it able to import an unchanged program.
> Trick question - it's fundamentally impossible, because an unchanged
> program will not distinguish between bytes and text, but true Uni
On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 15:50:46 +0100, MRAB wrote:
> On 2014-07-15 13:19, alister wrote:
>>>
>>> Image, for a moment, a world WITHOUT the great USA! Yes, i know you
>>> little commies love to curse the USA, and yes, there are many dark
>>> sins committed within AND beyond her borders, but try to tell
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 1:44 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote:
> Or any one of
>
> https://pypi.python.org/pypi/six/1.7.3
> https://github.com/mitsuhiko/python-modernize
> http://python-future.org/
> https://github.com/nandoflorestan/nine
AIUI most of those sorts of things are designed for people maintain
On 2014-07-15, Kevin Walzer wrote:
> I think it's more than a tempest in a teacup.
>
> The number of language revisions that result in deliberate, code-level
> incompatibility out there is pretty small. People rightly expect that
> code written for version 2.x of a language will continue to wor
On 15/07/2014 15:31, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 11:57 PM, Kevin Walzer wrote:
I've stayed with Python 2.7 because I've seen no benefit in 3.x that
outweighs the hassle of going through my code line by line to make it
compatible.
And that's fine! The python-dev team has pro
On 15/07/2014 13:19, alister wrote:
Image, for a moment, a world WITHOUT the great USA! Yes, i know you
little commies love to curse the USA, and yes,
there are many dark sins committed within AND beyond her borders, but
try to tell me you bass-turds, what nation in modern history has
contribute
On 15/07/2014 13:32, Anders J. Munch wrote:
By the way, which list
is the appropriate one? The numpy and SciPy mailing lists are first and
foremost about numpy and SciPy, I presume. Is there a general
numerics-list somewhere also? I don't see any on
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo.
T
On 2014-07-15 13:19, alister wrote:
Image, for a moment, a world WITHOUT the great USA! Yes, i know
you little commies love to curse the USA, and yes, there are many
dark sins committed within AND beyond her borders, but try to tell
me you bass-turds, what nation in modern history has contribute
Kevin Walzer writes:
> I can only think of two widely used languages in the last decade where
> there was this type of major break in binary compatibility: Perl and
> Visual Basic.
Lua 5.1, 5.2 and 5.3 are all incompatible to some extent. It's
debatable how widely used Lua is as a stand-alone l
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 11:57 PM, Kevin Walzer wrote:
> The number of language revisions that result in deliberate, code-level
> incompatibility out there is pretty small. People rightly expect that code
> written for version 2.x of a language will continue to work with version
> 3.x, even if 3.x
On 7/15/14, 9:00 AM, Chris Angelico wrote:
The problem isn't Python 2, nor Python 3, nor even the fact that there
are two Pythons. The problem is that a lot of people don't understand
when to choose one or the other, don't understand what the promises of
support are, and (perhaps worst of all) ke
Hi Tim,
Thanks a lot for the reply. I think I got the root cause of the problem.
Before merging I am creating one dummy xml file on the fly and I am copying
the content of first xml into that. This dummy file I am mentioning in xsl
file and the URI is changing because of which it is not getting me
On Tuesday, July 15, 2014 4:10:57 AM UTC-4, varun bhatnagar wrote:
> I am trying to merge two xmls using xslt in python but the content of first
> xml is not getting copied. The rules written in xsl file created are correct
> because if I am executing it without python (directly from eclipse as I
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 10:17 PM, Fabien wrote:
> My two cents as a new pythonista and a scientist: isn't python2 killing
> python?
You're new to Python, and so you correctly want to work with Python 3.
That's fine. That's excellent, in fact. You're starting out the right
way, and avoiding all th
On Mon, 14 Jul 2014 21:18:05 -0700, Rick Johnson wrote:
> On Monday, July 14, 2014 9:11:47 PM UTC-5, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> I dunno. It's not like Great Britain, Australia, or New Zealand did
>> anything significant in either war, is it.
>
> Most of Europe occupied, London bombed into the stone
Steven D'Aprano:
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume that when you first
posted you hadn't realised that the audience here does not have the
relevant experience, but by refusing to ask the question elsewhere, and
by making snide comments that "they don't like beer", that pretty muc
Hi,
both asyncio.as_completed() and asyncio.wait() work with lists only. No
generators are accepted. Are there anything similar to those functions that
pulls Tasks/Futures/coroutines one-by-one and processes them in a limited
task pool?
I have gazillion of Tasks, and do not want to instantiate th
>
> Image, for a moment, a world WITHOUT the great USA! Yes, i know you
> little commies love to curse the USA, and yes,
> there are many dark sins committed within AND beyond her borders, but
> try to tell me you bass-turds, what nation in modern history has
> contributed more technological achie
My two cents as a new pythonista and a scientist: isn't python2 killing
python? This old stuff is everywhere in the tutorials, docs, etc. and
this is quite annoying. When I download a python notebook, the first
thing I have to do is to translate it to py3. Which is not an easy task,
given the f
I am trying to read a file with 3 columns with col 1 and 2 as nodes/edges and
column 3 as weight (value with decimal)
I am trying to execute this code
import networkx as nx
G = nx.read_edgelist('file.txt', data=[("weight")])
G.edges(data=True)
edge_labels = dict(((u, v), d["weight"]) for u,
I am trying to merge two xmls using xslt in python but the content of first
xml is not getting copied. The rules written in xsl file created are
correct because if I am executing it without python (directly from eclipse
as I have xslt plugin installed) it is getting merged fine. Can anybody
help me
On 15/07/2014 04:58, Michael Torrie wrote:
On 06/03/2014 12:12 AM, wxjmfa...@gmail.com wrote:
I was myself really suprised to fall on such a case and
after thinking no, such cases may logically happen.
Putting in this comment not for JMF but for poor souls who find this
thread on a search and
On 15/07/2014 05:40, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Rick Johnson
wrote:
Yeah, because nobody managed to do anything during all that time, the
Royal Air Force was nowhere to be seen, and the various Resistances in
occupied countries were completely ineffectual.
Some mi
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