Re: Problem finding my folder via terminal

On Saturday 09 June 2018 01:36:17 Tamara Berger wrote: > Hi Cameron, > > Re inline style: When I hit reply, this is the window I get. I don't > get my previous email with the carets appended to the beginning of the > line. > That might be a config choice, but since its gmail it may not be. I tried

Re: Stefan's headers [was:Names and identifiers]

On Friday 08 June 2018 23:11:22 Gregory Ewing wrote: > Gene Heskett wrote: > > The courts weren't amused. I don't know as any of us ever cut those > > patent troll turkey's a check, > > Patent troll turkeys: Don't cut them checks, cut their necks! > > (Insert suitable stock photo of a turkey about

Re: Problem finding my folder via terminal

Hi Cameron, Re inline style: When I hit reply, this is the window I get. I don't get my previous email with the carets appended to the beginning of the line. Before I look at the rest of your email, I'd like for you to explain how there is a mymodule folder nested within another mymodule folder.

Re: Problem finding my folder via terminal

On 08Jun2018 22:55, Tamara Berger wrote: I have to answer you via email because I haven't gotten the hang of the inline style yet. I'm using email :-) We use the inline style for that, too. Just walk down the quoted previous message and insert your responses below the relevant parts with bla

Re: Stefan's headers [was:Names and identifiers]

Chris Angelico wrote: Open source would not exist without copyright,because it is copyright law that gives license terms their meaning. That statement doesn't make any sense. If there were no copyright laws, there would be no need for licences to distribute software. You seem to be saying that

Re: Stefan's headers [was:Names and identifiers]

MRAB wrote: So those with the most money can buy the most protection? That's the way it works with patents... -- Greg -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Stefan's headers [was:Names and identifiers]

Gene Heskett wrote: The courts weren't amused. I don't know as any of us ever cut those patent troll turkey's a check, Patent troll turkeys: Don't cut them checks, cut their necks! (Insert suitable stock photo of a turkey about to have its head removed.) -- Greg -- https://mail.python.org/mai

Re: Problem finding my folder via terminal

Hi Cameron, I have to answer you via email because I haven't gotten the hang of the inline style yet. Here is the result of your suggestion: Last login: Fri Jun 8 22:43:58 on ttys001 192:~ TamaraB$ cd Desktop/mymodules/ 192:mymodules TamaraB$ ls -laR /Users/TamaraB/Desktop/mymodules total 16 drw

Re: Sorting NaNs

Peter Pearson wrote: What applications would have to worry about colliding floats? I don't know. I'm coming from cryptology, where worrying about such things becomes a reflex. If collisions are something to be feared, then you're into hash territory, where you're probably going to want *much*

Re: Stefan's headers [was:Names and identifiers]

On Sat, Jun 9, 2018 at 10:53 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Sat, 09 Jun 2018 03:54:25 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: >> (Whether linking to a third-party Youtube video is itself a violation of >> the original author's copyright is even more complicated. IANAL and I am >> not going to even think abo

Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'charmap' codec can't decode byte 0x9d in position 10442: character maps to

On Sat, 09 Jun 2018 08:26:10 +1000, Cameron Simpson wrote: > It is possible that Python 2 is just glossing over the problem; Python 3 > has a more rigorous view of character data. I would say that is more than just possible, it is almost certain. -- Steven D'Aprano "Ever since I learned about

Re: Stefan's headers [was:Names and identifiers]

On Sat, 09 Jun 2018 03:54:25 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: > Right. Imagine if I write a poem, just like you say, and then I have the > words posted on a gigantic billboard. In small print in the bottom > corner of the billboard, I say "Copyright 2018 Chris Angelico. Taking > photographs of this bi

Re: Stefan's headers [was:Names and identifiers]

On Sat, Jun 9, 2018 at 8:19 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > Chris Angelico : > >> On Sat, Jun 9, 2018 at 6:59 AM, MRAB wrote: >>> So those with the most money can buy the most protection? >> >> Yes, or more specifically, those who believe they can make the most >> money from that protection. Ownershi

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Re: Sorting NaNs

On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 17:45:58 +, Peter Pearson wrote: > What bothered me was my feeling that a "reasonable observer" > would expect the random-float population to be much larger than 2**32, > and the probably-collision-free sample size to be accordingly much > larger than 2**16, which is, after

Re: Stefan's headers [was:Names and identifiers]

On Friday 08 June 2018 16:01:06 Larry Martell wrote: > On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 3:16 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > > At the moment nobody pays > > the government to enforce copyrights. > > No, everyone pays for what the government does, poorly. There, I fixed it for you Larry. :) -- Cheers, Gene

Re: How to install matplotlib in Debian 9

On 06/08/2018 11:54 AM, Markos wrote: Hi, I'm starting my studies with Python 3 on Debian 9 that I just installed. I have to install the matplotlib module, but I am in doubt what is the difference of the commands: pip3 install matplotlib or apt-get install python3-matplotlib Is there any

Re: Stefan's headers [was:Names and identifiers]

Chris Angelico : > On Sat, Jun 9, 2018 at 6:59 AM, MRAB wrote: >> So those with the most money can buy the most protection? > > Yes, or more specifically, those who believe they can make the most > money from that protection. Ownership becomes pay-to-win, literally. In the words of Scrooge McDuc

Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'charmap' codec can't decode byte 0x9d in position 10442: character maps to

On 05Jun2018 06:42, bellcanada...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, 3 June 2018 20:11:43 UTC-4, Steven D'Aprano wrote: Don't retype a summary of what you think the error is. "character undefieed" is not a thing, and there is no such thing as "byte 1x09". You need to COPY AND PASTE the EXACT error t

Re: Distribution file error

On 08Jun2018 07:52, Tamara Berger wrote: I’m trying to create a distribution file for my module, but got an error message. The module, including the setup and read me files, are contained within the folder “mymodules.” I typed this command (per instructions from my workbook) from within mymodu

Re: Problem finding my folder via terminal

On 08Jun2018 10:23, Tamara Berger wrote: On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 5:35 AM Cameron Simpson wrote: On 08Jun2018 01:52, Tamara Berger wrote: >192:~ TamaraB$ cd Desktop/mymodules >192:mymodules TamaraB$ pwd >/Users/TamaraB/Desktop/mymodules >192:mymodules TamaraB$ ls >mymodules It looks like you h

RE: logging with multiprocessing

Multiprocessing, not multithreading. Different processes. This is pretty easy to do. I have done this from a Python script to run an analysis program on many sets of data, at once. To do it: 1) if there is going to be an output file, each output file must have a distinct name. 2) To use l

Re: Stefan's headers [was:Names and identifiers]

On Sat, Jun 9, 2018 at 6:59 AM, MRAB wrote: > On 2018-06-08 19:11, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: >> >> Chris Angelico : >> >>> On Sat, Jun 9, 2018 at 3:34 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: PS IMO copyright laws should be abolished altogether. At the very least one should pay for copyright protecti

Re: Stefan's headers [was:Names and identifiers]

On 2018-06-08 19:11, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: Chris Angelico : On Sat, Jun 9, 2018 at 3:34 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: PS IMO copyright laws should be abolished altogether. At the very least one should pay for copyright protection. One €1 for the first year, €2 for the second, €4 for the third and

Re: Stefan's headers [was:Names and identifiers]

On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 3:16 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > At the moment nobody pays > the government to enforce copyrights. No, everyone pays for what the government does. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Stefan's headers [was:Names and identifiers]

Gene Heskett : > On Friday 08 June 2018 13:34:44 Marko Rauhamaa wrote: >> PS IMO copyright laws should be abolished altogether. At the very >> least one should pay for copyright protection. One €1 for the first >> year, €2 for the second, €4 for the third and so on exponentially. > > I rather like

How to install matplotlib in Debian 9

Hi, I'm starting my studies with Python 3 on Debian 9 that I just installed. I have to install the matplotlib module, but I am in doubt what is the difference of the commands: pip3 install matplotlib or apt-get install python3-matplotlib Is there any difference in the packages which are in

Re: Stefan's headers [was:Names and identifiers]

On Friday 08 June 2018 13:34:44 Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > Gene Heskett : > > On Friday 08 June 2018 08:18:19 Chris Angelico wrote: > >> Are news servers guaranteed to carry the X-Copyright header in all > >> transmissions? If not, the copyright notice isn't part of the > >> message, and is most like

Re: Stefan's headers [was:Names and identifiers]

Chris Angelico : > On Sat, Jun 9, 2018 at 3:34 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: >> PS IMO copyright laws should be abolished altogether. At the very >> least one should pay for copyright protection. One €1 for the first >> year, €2 for the second, €4 for the third and so on exponentially. > > Why should

Re: Stefan's headers [was:Names and identifiers]

On Sat, Jun 9, 2018 at 3:34 AM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > Gene Heskett : >> On Friday 08 June 2018 08:18:19 Chris Angelico wrote: >>> Are news servers guaranteed to carry the X-Copyright header in all >>> transmissions? If not, the copyright notice isn't part of the message, >>> and is most likely u

Re: Stefan's headers [was:Names and identifiers]

On 08/06/18 14:13, Ned Batchelder wrote: > On 6/8/18 2:34 AM, Thomas Jollans wrote: >> On 07/06/18 22:36, Peter Pearson wrote: >> >>> X-Copyright: (C) Copyright 2018 Stefan Ram. All rights reserved. >>> Distribution through any means >>>    other than regular usenet channels is forbidden. It is for

Re: Sorting NaNs

On Fri, 8 Jun 2018 02:15:02 + (UTC), Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 20:43:10 +, Peter Pearson wrote: [snip] >> >> But gosh, if there are only 2**32 different "random" floats, then you'd >> have about a 50% chance of finding a collision among any set of 2**16 >> samples. Is t

Re: Stefan's headers [was:Names and identifiers]

Gene Heskett : > On Friday 08 June 2018 08:18:19 Chris Angelico wrote: >> Are news servers guaranteed to carry the X-Copyright header in all >> transmissions? If not, the copyright notice isn't part of the message, >> and is most likely unenforceable. > > As the courts have so found when this has c

Distributing a Python module as .rpm and .deb packages across major distributions

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Re: FULLSCREEN and DOUBLEBUF

On 08/06/18 12:41, Darren Pardoe wrote: On Friday, 8 June 2018 12:24:26 UTC+1, Rhodri James wrote: On 08/06/18 09:00, Paul St George wrote: PS: it's generally considered polite not to top post on this mailing list. -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd Rhodri, Guys, I have always top posted even t

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Re: Stefan's headers [was:Names and identifiers]

On Friday 08 June 2018 08:18:19 Chris Angelico wrote: > On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 10:13 PM, Ned Batchelder wrote: > > On 6/8/18 2:34 AM, Thomas Jollans wrote: > >> On 07/06/18 22:36, Peter Pearson wrote: > >>> X-Copyright: (C) Copyright 2018 Stefan Ram. All rights reserved. > >>> Distribution throu

Distribution file error

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Re: FULLSCREEN and DOUBLEBUF

On 2018-06-08 12:41, Darren Pardoe wrote: On Friday, 8 June 2018 12:24:26 UTC+1, Rhodri James wrote: On 08/06/18 09:00, Paul St George wrote: PS: it's generally considered polite not to top post on this mailing list. -- Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd Rhodri, Guys, I have always top posted even

Re: Problem finding my folder via terminal

Nope. No duplicate folder. On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 5:35 AM Cameron Simpson wrote: > > On 08Jun2018 01:52, Tamara Berger wrote: > >In answer to your comments, I am in the correct folder. But the "ls" > >command did not return any files. Did I enter the command incorrectly? > >Or are the files not r

Re: Problem finding my folder via terminal

On 2018-06-08 09:53, Cameron Simpson wrote: [snip] Instead of just putting your reply at the top, and maybe hand quoting soe line of text with cut/paste (which you seem to be doing), start scrolling down the quoted text. Just cut out anything no longer needed (but keeping the attribution. Then wh

Re: Stefan's headers [was:Names and identifiers]

On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 10:13 PM, Ned Batchelder wrote: > On 6/8/18 2:34 AM, Thomas Jollans wrote: >> >> On 07/06/18 22:36, Peter Pearson wrote: >> >>> X-Copyright: (C) Copyright 2018 Stefan Ram. All rights reserved. >>> Distribution through any means >>>other than regular usenet channels is fo

Re: Why exception from os.path.exists()?

On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 11:35 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > > (referring to both the NUL bytes in UTF-16 encoded NTFS file names, and > the lack of NUL bytes in common Linux file names). NTFS filenames are stored as wchar_t strings, for which NUL is L"\x00\x00". Individual null bytes are irrelevant

Re: Stefan's headers [was:Names and identifiers]

On 6/8/18 2:34 AM, Thomas Jollans wrote: On 07/06/18 22:36, Peter Pearson wrote: X-Copyright: (C) Copyright 2018 Stefan Ram. All rights reserved. Distribution through any means other than regular usenet channels is forbidden. It is forbidden to publish this article in the Web, to change

Re: Sorting NaNs

On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 9:37 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 12:23:40 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: > >> On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 12:15 PM, Steven D'Aprano >> wrote: >>> If you truly were limited to 2**32 different values (we're not), then >>> it would be exactly right and proper to

Re: Why exception from os.path.exists()?

On 08-06-18 13:35, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 09:27:17 +0200, Antoon Pardon wrote: > >> On 08-06-18 04:19, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >>> On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 17:45:06 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: >>> So... an ASCIIZ string *can* contain that character, or at least a represen

Re: Sorting NaNs

On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 12:23:40 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 12:15 PM, Steven D'Aprano > wrote: >> If you truly were limited to 2**32 different values (we're not), then >> it would be exactly right and proper to expect a collision in 2**16 >> samples. Actually, a lot less th

Re: FULLSCREEN and DOUBLEBUF

On Friday, 8 June 2018 12:24:26 UTC+1, Rhodri James wrote: > On 08/06/18 09:00, Paul St George wrote: > PS: it's generally considered polite not to top post on this mailing list. > > -- > Rhodri James *-* Kynesim Ltd Rhodri, Guys, I have always top posted even though most editors start with the

Re: Why exception from os.path.exists()?

On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 09:27:17 +0200, Antoon Pardon wrote: > On 08-06-18 04:19, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 17:45:06 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: >> >>> So... an ASCIIZ string *can* contain that character, or at least a >>> representation of it. Yet it cannot contain "\0". >> You k

Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'charmap' codec can't decode byte 0x9d in position 10442: character maps to

On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 03:35:12 -0700, bellcanadardp wrote: > hello steven are you there?? > i posted the full error message... No you didn't. I saw your post, and ignored it, because you didn't follow instructions. I told you we need to see the *full* traceback, starting from the line beginning

Re: FULLSCREEN and DOUBLEBUF

On 08/06/18 09:00, Paul St George wrote: Excellent. Now I know what to do in this instance and I understand the principle. I hesitantly tried this:     screen = pygame.display.set_mode((720,480), pygame.FULLSCREEN | pygame.DOUBLEBUF) Hesitantly because I expected the *bitwise or operator*

Re: Valid encodings for a Python source file

On 2018-06-07 22:40, Daniel Glus wrote: > I'm trying to figure out the entire list of possible encodings for a Python > source file - that is, encodings that can go in a PEP 263 > encoding specification, like # > -*- encoding: foo -*-. > > Is this list t

Re: Valid encodings for a Python source file

On 6/7/18 4:40 PM, Daniel Glus wrote: > I'm trying to figure out the entire list of possible encodings for a Python > source file - that is, encodings that can go in a PEP 263 > encoding specification, like # > -*- encoding: foo -*-. > > Is this list the

Re: UnicodeDecodeError: 'charmap' codec can't decode byte 0x9d in position 10442: character maps to

On Sunday, 3 June 2018 20:11:43 UTC-4, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Sun, 03 Jun 2018 16:36:12 -0700, bellcanadardp wrote: > > > hello peter ...how exactly would i solve this issue .i have a script > > that works in python 2 but not pytho3..i did 2 to 3.py ...but i still > > get the errro...cha

Re: Problem finding my folder via terminal

On 08Jun2018 01:52, Tamara Berger wrote: In answer to your comments, I am in the correct folder. But the "ls" command did not return any files. Did I enter the command incorrectly? Or are the files not recognized? Here is what I typed into terminal: "Last login: Fri Jun 8 01:40:07 on ttys001 1

Re: Why exception from os.path.exists()?

Antoon Pardon : > On 08-06-18 09:45, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: >> Whatever your philosophical tastes, this unexpected feature of >> os.path.exists() (& co) leads to unexpected application behavior IRL, >> and, in the GhostBusters sense, that is bad. > > Sure, I agree that it is unexpected behaviour. B

Re: Problem finding my folder via terminal

On 08Jun2018 01:20, Tamara Berger wrote: Before I reply to the meat of your email, I guess we'd better clear up your initial issues. You write: "Replies inline below, which is the style we prefer on this list. (And to reply, please reply to the specific message, not your original post. This wil

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Re: [ZODB] Django-hotsauce/ZODB 5.4.0/PyPy nightly sprint!!

Le 2018-06-08 à 02:25, Mauro Amico a écrit : seems to me really similar to https://github.com/zopefoundation/ZEO/pull/96 try to upgrade to ZEO 5.1.2 mauro. Hey man! Thanks for the heads up! Looks like I messed up again... :) That error was caused because my zodb database file was out of

Re: Why exception from os.path.exists()?

On 08-06-18 09:45, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > Whatever your philosophical tastes, this unexpected feature of > os.path.exists() (& co) leads to unexpected application behavior IRL, > and, in the GhostBusters sense, that is bad. Sure, I agree that it is unexpected behaviour. But does that mean the beh

Re: Re: FULLSCREEN and DOUBLEBUF

Excellent. Now I know what to do in this instance and I understand the principle. I hesitantly tried this:     screen = pygame.display.set_mode((720,480), pygame.FULLSCREEN | pygame.DOUBLEBUF) Hesitantly because I expected the *bitwise or operator* (|) to work like a toggle, so FULLSCREEN o

Re: Why exception from os.path.exists()?

Antoon Pardon : > On 08-06-18 04:19, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 17:45:06 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: >> >>> So... an ASCIIZ string *can* contain that character, or >>> at least a representation of it. Yet it cannot contain "\0". >> [...] >> NTFS file systems use UTF-16 encoded

Re: Why exception from os.path.exists()?

On 08-06-18 04:19, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Thu, 07 Jun 2018 17:45:06 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: > >> So... an ASCIIZ string *can* contain that character, or >> at least a representation of it. Yet it cannot contain "\0". > You keep saying that as if it made one whit of difference to what > o

Re: Problem finding my folder via terminal

Hi Cameron, I'm replying via email because the Post Reply button is missing from the forum website. In answer to your comments, I am in the correct folder. But the "ls" command did not return any files. Did I enter the command incorrectly? Or are the files not recognized? Here is what I typed int

Re: Problem finding my folder via terminal

Hi Cameron, Before I reply to the meat of your email, I guess we'd better clear up your initial issues. You write: "Replies inline below, which is the style we prefer on this list. (And to reply, please reply to the specific message, not your original post. This will let you pick up that branch o

Re: [ZODB] Django-hotsauce/ZODB 5.4.0/PyPy nightly sprint!!

seems to me really similar to https://github.com/zopefoundation/ZEO/pull/96 try to upgrade to ZEO 5.1.2 mauro. Il Ven 8 Giu 2018, 03:29 Etienne Robillard ha scritto: > Yo people I'm doing a nightly hacking sprint for django-hotsauce on pypy > and got some cool bugs I would like to share: > > Tr

Re: Sorting NaNs

On Fri, Jun 8, 2018 at 12:15 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > If you truly were limited to 2**32 different values (we're not), then it > would be exactly right and proper to expect a collision in 2**16 samples. > Actually, a lot less than that: more like 78000. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthd

Re: Why exception from os.path.exists()?

On 08-06-18 05:12, Ben Finney wrote: > That is immediately followed by more specific advice that says when to > use bytes: > > Unfortunately, some file names may not be representable as strings > on Unix, so applications that need to support arbitrary file names > on Unix should use byt