Re: Is npyscreen still alive?

On 4/24/23 11:32, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2023-04-24, Grant Edwards wrote: The other big advantage of an ncurses program is that since curses support is in the std library, a curses app is simpler to distribute. Right now, the application is a single .py file you just copy to the destination

Re: Is npyscreen still alive?

On 4/24/23 09:14, Stefan Ram wrote: Grant Edwards writes: The other big advantage of an ncurses program is that since curses support is in the std library, a curses app is simpler to distribute. IIRC curses is not in the standard library /on Windows/. I miss a platform independent

Re: any author you find very good has written a book on Python?

On 9/5/22 21:22, Meredith Montgomery wrote: I never read a book on Python. I'm looking for a good one now. I just searched the web for names such as Charles Petzold, but it looks like he never wrote a book on Python. I also searched for Peter Seibel, but he also never did. I also tried to

Re: Python's carbon guilt

On 10/10/20 2:35 PM, Marco Sulla wrote: > He should also calculate the carbon dioxide emitted by brains that > works in C++ only. I omit other sources. > yes, methane is an alleged greenhouse gas as well -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Final statement from Steering Council on politically-charged commit messages

On 8/19/20 3:29 PM, Ethan Furman wrote: > On 8/19/20 12:40 PM, Tim Daneliuk wrote: >> On 8/19/20 2:00 PM, Karen Shaeffer wrote: > >>> Considering all your posts on this thread, it is reasonable to infer you >>> have some ideological motivations. >>

Re: Final statement from Steering Council on politically-charged commit messages

On 8/19/20 1:10 PM, J. Pic wrote: > Tim, don't you also think that statements should be backed by > evidence, even more if they are particularly accusatory ? > > We'll be lucky if S's editor doesn't sue the PSF for slandering for > publishing that S "upholds white supremacy". > As a general

Re: Final statement from Steering Council on politically-charged commit messages

On 8/19/20 2:00 PM, Karen Shaeffer wrote: > Where you conclude with: "Methinks there is an ideological skunk in the > parlor …” > > Considering all your posts on this thread, it is reasonable to infer you have > some ideological motivations. My motivation was to demonstrate that if people of

Re: Final statement from Steering Council on politically-charged commit messages

On 8/18/20 12:18 PM, gia wrote: > That's why I picked Math, it is also universally accepted, it's very > strict, and it leaves the reader to decide its color based on themselves > (it's not white btw :) Sorry, but when it comes to the demands of the woke, you are not immune. Reported widely

Re: Final statement from Steering Council on politically-charged commit messages

On 8/19/20 8:35 AM, Alexandre Brault wrote: > I've not seen anyone objecting to the idea of removing the reference to > Strunk and White in favour of the underlying message of "be understandable by > others who may read your comments" (there were at most a few philosophical > "what is

Re: Final statement from Steering Council on politically-charged commit messages

On 8/18/20 6:34 PM, rmli...@riseup.net wrote: > I would kindly recommend that folks just educate themselves on what Speaking of being educated ... Could you please do an exposition for all us ignorant types on the books that really animate your worldview: The_Origin of the Family, Private

Re: Final statement from Steering Council on politically-charged commit messages

On 8/18/20 6:34 PM, rmli...@riseup.net wrote: > I would kindly recommend that folks just educate themselves on what I would also like to help you become educated. Be sure to check out these literary treasures - they are the foundation of the worldview you are espousing: The_Origin of the

Re: Final statement from Steering Council on politically-charged commit messages

On 8/18/20 12:28 PM, justin walters wrote: > I apologize for being ageist earlier as well. That was out of line. I am likely older than you and there is no reason to apologise. Only the profoundly undeveloped psyche takes every opportunity to find offense when none is intended. It is the sign

Re: Final statement from Steering Council on politically-charged commit messages

On 8/17/20 1:26 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > For context, see this commit: > > https://github.com/python/peps/commit/0c6427dcec1e98ca0bd46a876a7219ee4a9347f4 > > The commit message is highly politically charged and is now a > permanent part of the Python commit history. The Python Steering >

3.8.5 Failing To Install With pythonz

I have a weird problem I could use a bit of help with ... I have successfully installed 3.8.5 using pew/pythonz on a BSD FreeBSD system. But when I attempt to install it on a Linux system I get the traceback below. In this case, pew/pythonz were installed locally in my own account using system

Re: Lists And Missing Commas

On 12/24/19 6:37 AM, Stefan Ram wrote: > And you all are aware that this kind of string concatenation > happens in C and C++, too, aren't you? > > main.c > > #include > int main( void ){ puts( "a" "b" ); } > > transcript > > ab Noting that it has been a long time since I looked at the

Re: Lists And Missing Commas

On 12/23/19 8:35 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Tue, Dec 24, 2019 at 12:56 PM DL Neil via Python-list > wrote: >> However, your point involves the fact that whereas: >> >> 1 + 2 # 3 is *clearly* addition, and >> "a" + "b" # "ab" is *clearly* concatenation >> >> "a" "b" #

Re: Lists And Missing Commas

On 12/23/19 7:52 PM, DL Neil wrote: > > WebRef: https://docs.python.org/3/reference/lexical_analysis.html Yep, that explains it, but it still feels non-regular to me. From a pointy headed academic POV, I'd like to see behavior consistent across types. Again ... what do I know? --

Lists And Missing Commas

If I do this: foo = [ "bar", "baz" "slop", "crud" ] Python silently accepts that and makes the middle term "bazslop". BUT, if I do this: foo = [ "bar", "baz" 1, "crud" ] or this: foo = [ "bar", 2 1, "crud" ] The interpreter throws a syntax error. This is more of an intellectual

Re: Randomizing Strings In A Microservices World

On 12/10/19 12:37 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 5:01 AM Tim Daneliuk wrote: >> >> On 12/10/19 10:36 AM, Peter Pearson wrote: >>> Just to be sure: you *are* aware that the "Birthday Paradox" says >>> that if you pick your 10-di

Re: Randomizing Strings In A Microservices World

On 12/10/19 10:36 AM, Peter Pearson wrote: > Just to be sure: you *are* aware that the "Birthday Paradox" says > that if you pick your 10-digit strings truly randomly, you'll probably > get a collision by the time of your 10**5th string . . . right? I did not consider this, but the point is

Re: Randomizing Strings In A Microservices World

On 12/9/19 8:54 PM, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: > On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 18:52:11 -0600, Tim Daneliuk > declaimed the following: > >> >> - Each of these services needs to produce a string of ten digits guaranteed >> to be unique >> on a per service instance basis A

Re: Randomizing Strings In A Microservices World

On 12/9/19 8:50 PM, Paul Rubin wrote: > Tim Daneliuk writes: >> - Imagine an environment in which there may be multiple instances of a given >> microservice written in Python. > > Decide the maximum number of microservice instances, say 1000. Chop up > the 10 digit ra

Randomizing Strings In A Microservices World

I ran across a kind of fun problem today that I wanted to run past you Gentle Geniuses (tm): - Imagine an environment in which there may be multiple instances of a given microservice written in Python. - Each of these services needs to produce a string of ten digits guaranteed to be unique

Re: Proper shebang for python3

On 7/20/19 4:28 PM, Brian Oney wrote: > Why not make a compromise? What would be a potential pitfall of the > following spitbang? > > #!python Not sure this really changes the discussion. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Proper shebang for python3

On 7/21/19 8:47 AM, Peter J. Holzer wrote: > That's fine. Unlike Tim I don't claim that anybody who disagrees with me > must be a newbie. Peter, that's ad hominem and unfair. I never said anything close to that. What I said is that if someone were to spend an extended period of time in devops

Re: Proper shebang for python3

On 7/20/19 6:04 PM, Cameron Simpson wrote: > If you require a specific outcoming, set a specific environment. It is under  > your control. Control it. Exactly right. I have just had the REALLY irritating experience of trying to bootstrap a location insensitive version of linuxbrew that mostly

Re: Proper shebang for python3

On 7/20/19 6:04 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > Are you aware of every systemwide command that happens to be > implemented in Python, such that you won't execute any of them while > you have the venv active? No, but this has never been a problem because the newer versions of python tend to be pretty

Re: Proper shebang for python3

On 7/20/19 5:47 PM, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > On 7/20/19 5:14 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: >> Using env for everything is a terrible idea and one that >> will basically make virtual environments useless. > > Not if you manage them properly. > > Everyone's mileage is differe

Re: Proper shebang for python3

On 7/20/19 5:14 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > Using env for everything is a terrible idea and one that > will basically make virtual environments useless. Not if you manage them properly. Everyone's mileage is different, but when I enter a venv, I ensure everything I do there is packaged to work

Re: Proper shebang for python3

On 7/20/19 2:56 PM, Peter J. Holzer wrote: > On 2019-07-20 14:11:44 -0500, Tim Daneliuk wrote: >> So, no, do NOT encode the hard location - ever. Always use env to >> discover the one that the user has specified. The only exception is >> /bin/sh which - for a variety of r

Re: Proper shebang for python3

On 7/20/19 1:20 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 4:13 AM Michael Speer wrote: >> >> You may want to use `#!/usr/bin/env python3` instead. >> >> There is a concept in python called the virtual environment. This used to >> be done with a tool called virtualenv in python2, and is

Re: join and split with empty delimiter

On 7/17/19 4:24 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > Agreed. There are a number of other languages where splitting on an > empty delimiter simply fractures the string into characters (I checked > Pike, JavaScript, Tcl, and Ruby), and it's a practical and useful > feature. +1. Not only that, it makes the

Re: Lifetime of a local reference

On 2/26/19 3:54 PM, Marko Rauhamaa wrote: > Consider this function: > > def fun(): > f = open("lock") > flock.flock(f, fcntl.LOCK_EX) > do_stuff() > sys.exit(0) > > Question: can a compliant Python implementation close f (and, > consequently, release the file

Re: Accessing clipboard through software built on Python

On 10/28/2018 02:08 PM, Akkana Peck wrote: > Tim Daneliuk writes: >> However, the highlighted text must be copied explicitly: >> >> Highlight >> Ctl-C > [ ... ] >> X actually has several clipboard buffers and it can be tricky to get this >> going

Re: Accessing clipboard through software built on Python

On 10/28/2018 02:08 PM, Akkana Peck wrote: > Tim Daneliuk writes: >> However, the highlighted text must be copied explicitly: >> >> Highlight >> Ctl-C > [ ... ] >> X actually has several clipboard buffers and it can be tricky to get this >> going

Re: Accessing clipboard through software built on Python

On 10/27/2018 08:17 AM, Musatov wrote: > I am wondering if Python could be used to write a program that allows: > > 1. Highlight some text > 2. Ctl+HOTKEY1 stores the string of text somewhere as COPIEDTEXT1 > 3. Highlight another string of text > 4. Ctl+HOTKEY1 stores another string of text

Re: ESR "Waning of Python" post

On 10/12/2018 11:43 AM, Skip Montanaro wrote: > I sort of skimmed ESR's post, and sort of skimmed this thread, so > obviously I'm totally qualified to offer my observations on the post > and follow ups. :-) Skip - In the 15-ish years I've been reading this group, this has NEVER been an obstacle

Re: ESR "Waning of Python" post

On 10/11/2018 12:15 AM, Gregory Ewing wrote: > Paul Rubin wrote [concerning GIL removal]: >> It's weird that Python's designers were willing to mess up the user >> language in the 2-to-3 transition but felt that the C API had to be kept >> sarcosanct.  Huge opportunities were blown at multiple

Re: Cult-like behaviour [was Re: Kindness]

On 07/14/2018 07:40 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > You'd better avoid most of JavaScript, C++, and most other languages, > then. Every language feeps a little, and Python is definitely not as > bad as some. Point Of Order: C++ is one gigantic feep to be avoided at all costs... :) --

Re: Cult-like behaviour [was Re: Kindness]

On 07/14/2018 04:09 AM, Christian Gollwitzer wrote: > I agree with this observation and it feels quite strange to me. I regularly > use three languages (C++, Python and Tcl), all three are under active > development, and IMHO all of them have flaws, there are is always something > which is

Re: Guido van Rossum resigns as Python leader

On 07/14/2018 10:16 AM, Skip Montanaro wrote: >> Is it irrational to wonder whether projects should be looking to migrate to >> new languages? This kind of announcement makes me worry for the future. > > Umm, yeah. The language is stable, widely used packages are stable. > Guido actually has

Re: PEP 526 - var annotations and the spirit of python

On 07/02/2018 06:22 PM, Gregory Ewing wrote: > A > truly good programmer will be able to learn about the language > being used on the job. Except that the current attempt is to use techniques like agile, scrum, pair programming, and so forth to turn programming into a factory activity. High

Re: PEP 526 - var annotations and the spirit of python

On 07/01/2018 12:17 PM, MRAB wrote: > On 2018-07-01 18:06, Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer wrote: >> was viewing pep526, so, finally, python cannot do without hinting the type >> as other languages? >> will python finally move to >> int x = 3 where int is a pre annotation? >> >> i am not arguing it's

Re: Thank you Python community!

On 03/19/2018 02:05 PM, bartc wrote: > I've often wondered what the guys who invented C (around 1970) must have been  > smoking to have come up with some of those ideas. I dunno, but I do know that - if they were smoking something - it was rolled in greenbar paper ... --

Re: Python Templating Language

On 12/17/2017 12:41 AM, Abdur-Rahmaan Janhangeer wrote: > Hi all, > > Can somebody point out to me some py-based template languages interpreters > resources? > > Thank you ! > http://jinja.pocoo.org/ -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Old Man Yells At Cloud

On 09/16/2017 09:59 AM, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > On 09/16/2017 12:38 AM, Steve D'Aprano wrote: >> /rant on >> >> So apparently everyone who disagrees that Python should be more like >> Javascript >> is an old greybeard fuddy-duddy yelling "Get off my lawn!"

Re: Old Man Yells At Cloud

On 09/16/2017 12:38 AM, Steve D'Aprano wrote: > /rant on > > So apparently everyone who disagrees that Python should be more like > Javascript > is an old greybeard fuddy-duddy yelling "Get off my lawn!" to the cool kids -- > and is also too stupid to know how dumb they are. > > "Hi, I've been

Re: Proposed new syntax

On 08/10/2017 09:28 AM, Steve D'Aprano wrote: > Every few years, the following syntax comes up for discussion, with some > people > saying it isn't obvious what it would do, and others disagreeing and saying > that it is obvious. So I thought I'd do an informal survey. > > What would you expect

Re: Question About When Objects Are Destroyed (continued)

On 08/05/2017 05:36 PM, Ned Batchelder wrote: > On 8/5/17 5:41 PM, Tim Daneliuk wrote: >> On 08/05/2017 11:16 AM, Ned Batchelder wrote: >>> It uses >>> reference counting, so most objects are reclaimed immediately when their >>> reference count goes to zero

Re: Question About When Objects Are Destroyed (continued)

On 08/05/2017 05:36 PM, Ned Batchelder wrote: > On 8/5/17 5:41 PM, Tim Daneliuk wrote: >> On 08/05/2017 11:16 AM, Ned Batchelder wrote: >>> It uses >>> reference counting, so most objects are reclaimed immediately when their >>> reference count goes to zero

Re: Question About When Objects Are Destroyed (continued)

On 08/05/2017 05:58 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 7:32 AM, Tim Daneliuk <i...@tundraware.com> wrote: >> On 08/05/2017 03:21 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: >>> After a 'with' block, >>> the object *still exists*, but it has been "exited" in

Re: Question About When Objects Are Destroyed (continued)

On 08/05/2017 05:58 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 7:32 AM, Tim Daneliuk <i...@tundraware.com> wrote: >> On 08/05/2017 03:21 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: >>> After a 'with' block, >>> the object *still exists*, but it has been "exited" in

Re: Question About When Objects Are Destroyed (continued)

On 08/05/2017 11:16 AM, Ned Batchelder wrote: > It uses > reference counting, so most objects are reclaimed immediately when their > reference count goes to zero, such as at the end of local scopes. Given this code: class SomeObject: . for foo in somelist: a = SomeObject(foo) b

Re: Question About When Objects Are Destroyed (continued)

On 08/05/2017 03:21 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > After a 'with' block, > the object *still exists*, but it has been "exited" in some way > (usually by closing/releasing an underlying resource). The containing object exists, but the things that the closing logic explicitly released do not. In some

Re: Question About When Objects Are Destroyed (continued)

On 08/04/2017 07:00 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > Again, don't stress about exactly when objects get > disposed of; it doesn't matter. Respectfully, I disagree strongly. Objects get build on the heap and persist even when they go out of scope until such time garbage collection takes place. This

Re: how to fast processing one million strings to remove quotes

On 08/04/2017 01:52 AM, Peter Otten wrote: > It looks like Python is fairly competetive: > > $ wc -l hugequote.txt > 100 hugequote.txt612250 > $ cat unquote.py > import csv > > with open("hugequote.txt") as instream: > for field, in csv.reader(instream): > print(field) > > $

Re: how to fast processing one million strings to remove quotes

On 08/02/2017 10:05 AM, Daiyue Weng wrote: > Hi, I am trying to removing extra quotes from a large set of strings (a > list of strings), so for each original string, it looks like, > > """str_value1"",""str_value2"",""str_value3"",1,""str_value4""" > > > I like to remove the start and end

Re: Development testing without reinstalling egg constantly?

On 06/29/2017 09:03 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: > I've forked a copy of https://github.com/Roguelazer/muttdown and have > been adding a few features and fixing a few bugs. It's meant to be When doing this sort of thing, I find 'pew' virtual environments immensely helpful. They allow you to

Re: Development testing without reinstalling egg constantly?

On 06/29/2017 09:03 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: > I've forked a copy of https://github.com/Roguelazer/muttdown and have > been adding a few features and fixing a few bugs. It's meant to be When doing this sort of thing, I find 'pew' virtual environments immensely helpful. They allow you to

Re: How coding in Python is bad for you

On 01/23/2017 02:19 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 6:59 AM, Grant Edwards > wrote: >> On 2017-01-23, breamore...@gmail.com wrote: >> >>> The article is here http://lenkaspace.net/index.php/blog/show/111 >> >> I don't really

Re: How coding in Python is bad for you

On 01/23/2017 11:24 AM, breamore...@gmail.com wrote: > The article is here http://lenkaspace.net/index.php/blog/show/111 > > Kindest regards. > > Mark Lawrence. > Beyond silly. Languages - like all tools - can be used properly or badly. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Grumpy: Python to Go compiler

On 01/08/2017 06:18 PM, Deborah Swanson wrote: > (haha, unless > you ask) C'mon, go for it ... there hasn't been a good rant here in 4 or 5 minutes ... -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

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Re: More tkinter Madness

On 11/13/2015 12:32 AM, Christian Gollwitzer wrote: > Apfelkiste:Sources chris$ Well, I get window and when I do this: pack [button .b -text Hello -command exit] Nothing appears. tkinter appears borked I have reinstalled once already, will try again --

Re: More tkinter Madness

On 11/13/2015 01:58 PM, Michael Torrie wrote: > On 11/13/2015 12:14 PM, Tim Daneliuk wrote: >> On 11/13/2015 12:32 AM, Christian Gollwitzer wrote: >>> Apfelkiste:Sources chris$ >> >> Well, I get window and when I do this: >> >> pack [button .b -text

Re: More tkinter Madness

On 11/13/2015 03:30 PM, Christian Gollwitzer wrote: > Am 13.11.15 um 20:14 schrieb Tim Daneliuk: >> On 11/13/2015 12:32 AM, Christian Gollwitzer wrote: >>> Apfelkiste:Sources chris$ >> >> Well, I get window and when I do this: >> >> pack [button .b -text

Re: More tkinter Madness

On 11/13/2015 01:56 PM, Laura Creighton wrote: > In a message of Fri, 13 Nov 2015 13:14:08 -0600, Tim Daneliuk writes: >> On 11/13/2015 12:32 AM, Christian Gollwitzer wrote: >>> Apfelkiste:Sources chris$ >> >> Well, I get window and when I do this: >> >>

Re: What is '@' for

On 11/13/2015 05:14 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 10:04 AM, fl wrote: >> I read the following code snippet. A question is here about '@'. >> I don't find the answer online yet. >> >> What function is it here? >> >> >> @pymc.deterministic >> def

Re: More tkinter Madness

On 11/11/2015 08:12 PM, Paul Rubin wrote: > Tim Daneliuk <tundrabo...@tundraware.com> writes: >> Some months ago, I put it on a couple of VPS servers (FreeBSD >> and Linux) and BOOM, it doesn't run. I asked around here and got some >> suggestions and then did some home

Re: More tkinter Madness

On 11/11/2015 08:25 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Tim Daneliuk > <tundrabo...@tundraware.com> wrote: >> I am the author of twander (https://www.tundraware.com/Software/twander). >> This code has run flawlessly for years on FreeBSD, Linux, Mac

Re: More tkinter Madness

On 11/12/2015 10:46 PM, Michael Torrie wrote: > On 11/12/2015 05:25 PM, Tim Daneliuk wrote: >> On 11/11/2015 08:25 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: >>> On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Tim Daneliuk >>> <tundrabo...@tundraware.com> wrote: >>>> I am the

More tkinter Madness

I am the author of twander (https://www.tundraware.com/Software/twander). This code has run flawlessly for years on FreeBSD, Linux, MacOS and Windows. Some months ago, I put it on a couple of VPS servers (FreeBSD and Linux) and BOOM, it doesn't run. I asked around here and got some suggestions

Are There Known Problems With tkinter And VPS Servers?

I am the author of https://www.tundraware.com/Software/twander, a cross platform, macro- programmable file manager written in python/tkinter. Of late, I am seeing core dumps of this program (which has been stable/mature for some years) but only on VPS servers, both FreeBSD 10 and CentOS 6/7.

Re: Are There Known Problems With tkinter And VPS Servers?

On 09/27/2015 04:20 PM, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > I am the author of https://www.tundraware.com/Software/twander, a cross > platform, macro- > programmable file manager written in python/tkinter. > > Of late, I am seeing core dumps of this program (which has been stable/mature >

Re: Are There Known Problems With tkinter And VPS Servers?

On 09/27/2015 05:29 PM, Paul Rubin wrote: > Tim Daneliuk <tun...@bogus-city.tundraware.com> writes: >> this is somehow VPS related but not sure where to start. > > How are you expecting tkinter to work on a vps, when there is no window > system? It wouldn't surprise me if

Re: Are There Known Problems With tkinter And VPS Servers?

On 09/27/2015 06:32 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: > On 9/27/2015 5:31 PM, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > >>> Of late, I am seeing core dumps of this program (which has been >>> stable/mature for some >>> years) but only on VPS servers, both FreeBSD 10 and CentOS 6/7. > >

Re: Python, convert an integer into an index?

On 09/22/2015 04:43 PM, Chris Roberts wrote: > > (How do I make it into an index? ) > Preferably something fairly easy to understand as I am new at this. > > results = 134523 #(Integer) > > Desired: > results = [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 2, 3] #(INDEX) > > Somehow I see ways to convert index to

Re: RPI.GPIO Help

On 08/16/2015 02:40 PM, John McKenzie wrote: > > Hello, all. I am hoping some people here are familiar with the RPi.GPIO > python module for the Raspberry Pi. I am not familiar with the module, but I am quite familiar with dealing with hardware interfacing, mostly in assembler. One thing you

Re: Ah Python, you have spoiled me for all other languages

On 05/22/2015 11:11 PM, amber wrote: «» On 22/05/2015 21:40, Tim Daneliuk wrote: https://www.tundraware.com/TechnicalNotes/Python-Is-Middleware/ Quoting that article «And no, you couldn't get a C based OS to do what TPF does even if you did have a couple hundred million dollars to redo

Re: Ah Python, you have spoiled me for all other languages

On 05/22/2015 08:54 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: On 5/22/2015 5:40 PM, Tim Daneliuk wrote: Lo these many years ago, I argued that Python is a whole lot more than a programming language: https://www.tundraware.com/TechnicalNotes/Python-Is-Middleware/ Perhaps something at tundraware needs

Re: Ah Python, you have spoiled me for all other languages

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Re: Ah Python, you have spoiled me for all other languages

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Re: Ah Python, you have spoiled me for all other languages

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Re: Ah Python, you have spoiled me for all other languages

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Re: What killed Smalltalk could kill Python

On 01/23/2015 04:57 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Tim Daneliuk tun...@tundraware.com wrote: On 01/21/2015 05:55 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 10:37 AM, Tim Daneliuk tun...@tundraware.com wrote: I find these kinds of discussions sort of silly

Re: What killed Smalltalk could kill Python

On 01/21/2015 05:55 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 10:37 AM, Tim Daneliuk tun...@tundraware.com wrote: I find these kinds of discussions sort of silly. Once there is a critical mass of installed base, no language EVER dies. Not sure about that. Back in the 1990s, I wrote

Re: What killed Smalltalk could kill Python

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Re: Quotation Ugliness

On 11/26/2014 06:56 AM, Tim Chase wrote: On 2014-11-26 00:04, Tim Daneliuk wrote: someprog.py uname sudo cat /etc/sudoers vs. someprog.py uname echo sudo cat /etc/suoders In the first instance, I need the sudo passoword, in the second I don't. This doesn't jibe with the pairs of quotes

Re: Quotation Ugliness

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Re: Quotation Ugliness

On 11/26/2014 08:12 AM, random...@fastmail.us wrote: On Wed, Nov 26, 2014, at 01:04, Tim Daneliuk wrote: In this case, I am not trying to write a fullblown language or recover from syntax errors. Here's a usecase - I want to know whether I need to use a sudo password when the user passes

Re: Quotation Ugliness

password if detected. If it turns out to be a false positive, no harm will be done and the password will just go unused. Thanks for the feedback. Tim Daneliuk tun...@tundraware.com PGP Key: http

Re: Quotation Ugliness

On 11/26/2014 09:48 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 2:36 AM, Tim Daneliuk tun...@tundraware.com wrote: The more I think about this, the more I think I am just going to look for the string 'sudo' anywhere in the argument. This merely will force the user to enter their sudo

Re: Quotation Ugliness

On 11/26/2014 10:00 AM, random...@fastmail.us wrote: On Wed, Nov 26, 2014, at 10:55, Tim Daneliuk wrote: Nope. Password only exist in memory locally. How does it send it to the remote sudo? Over paramiko transport (ssh) and then only if it sees a custom string coming back from sudo asking

Re: Quotation Ugliness

On 11/26/2014 10:16 AM, random...@fastmail.us wrote: On Wed, Nov 26, 2014, at 11:02, Tim Daneliuk wrote: On 11/26/2014 10:00 AM, random...@fastmail.us wrote: On Wed, Nov 26, 2014, at 10:55, Tim Daneliuk wrote: Nope. Password only exist in memory locally. How does it send it to the remote

Re: Quotation Ugliness

On 11/26/2014 10:45 AM, alister wrote: On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 10:02:57 -0600, Tim Daneliuk wrote: On 11/26/2014 10:00 AM, random...@fastmail.us wrote: On Wed, Nov 26, 2014, at 10:55, Tim Daneliuk wrote: Nope. Password only exist in memory locally. How does it send it to the remote sudo

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