Re: Can I trust downloading Python?

2013-09-11 Thread Mr. Roboto
On Saturday, September 7, 2013 9:17:46 PM UTC-4, Aaron Martin wrote: Hi, I am thinking about getting a software but it requires python, so that brought up a few questions. Is it safe do download python, and does it come with spam or advertisements? If it doesn't then should I get the latest

Re: Can I trust downloading Python?

2013-09-10 Thread Oscar Benjamin
On 10 September 2013 01:06, Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote: On Mon, 09 Sep 2013 12:19:11 +, Fattburger wrote: But really, we've learned *nothing* from the viruses of the 1990s. Remember when we used to talk about how crazy it was to download code from untrusted

Re: Can I trust downloading Python?

2013-09-10 Thread Tom P
On 10.09.2013 11:45, Oscar Benjamin wrote: On 10 September 2013 01:06, Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote: On Mon, 09 Sep 2013 12:19:11 +, Fattburger wrote: But really, we've learned *nothing* from the viruses of the 1990s. Remember when we used to talk about how

Re: Can I trust downloading Python?

2013-09-10 Thread Chris Angelico
On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote: Of course, Linux is a much harder target than the average unpatched Windows box, and there are probably easier ways to get access to your files if they really need to. Plus Linux isn't a single

Re: Can I trust downloading Python?

2013-09-10 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 10:45:16 +0100, Oscar Benjamin wrote: On 10 September 2013 01:06, Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote: [rant about executing code over the internet] You could have also mentioned pip/PyPI in that. 'pip install X' downloads and runs arbitrary code

Re: Can I trust downloading Python?

2013-09-10 Thread Wolfgang Keller
Every time you go on the Internet, you download other people's code and execute it. Javascript, Flash, HTML5, PDF are all either executable, or they include executable components. That's why I deactivate all of these by default. And why I *hate* so-called web designers who *require* activation

Re: Can I trust downloading Python?

2013-09-09 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Mon, 09 Sep 2013 02:39:09 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Charles Hottel chot...@earthlink.net wrote: I think this article is relevant althought the code examples are not Python but C: http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.html That is quite true, and yet

Re: Can I trust downloading Python?

2013-09-09 Thread Anthony Papillion
On 09/09/2013 04:41 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Mon, 09 Sep 2013 02:39:09 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Charles Hottel chot...@earthlink.net wrote: I think this article is relevant althought the code examples are not Python but C:

Re: Can I trust downloading Python?

2013-09-09 Thread Fattburger
On Sun, 08 Sep 2013 03:37:15 +, Dave Angel wrote: 1) what OS are you running? Actually, we can be pretty sure you're running Windows, since any other common operating system would have already included Python. Plus I don't often run into Linux users who worry about viruses, unless the

Re: Can I trust downloading Python?

2013-09-09 Thread Michael Torrie
On 09/09/2013 05:02 AM, Anthony Papillion wrote: But (and this is stepping into *really* paranoid territory here. But maybe not beyond the realm of possibility) it would not be so hard to compromise compilers at the chip level. If the NSA were to strike an agreement with, say, Intel so that

Re: Can I trust downloading Python?

2013-09-09 Thread Michael Torrie
On 09/09/2013 10:40 AM, William Ray Wing wrote: I think that is pretty far fetched. It requires recognition that a compiler is being compiled. I'd be REALLY surprised if there were a unique sequence of hardware instructions that was common across every possible compiler (current and future)

Re: Can I trust downloading Python?

2013-09-09 Thread William Ray Wing
On Sep 9, 2013, at 12:23 PM, Michael Torrie torr...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/09/2013 05:02 AM, Anthony Papillion wrote: But (and this is stepping into *really* paranoid territory here. But maybe not beyond the realm of possibility) it would not be so hard to compromise compilers at the chip

Re: Can I trust downloading Python?

2013-09-09 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Mon, 09 Sep 2013 12:19:11 +, Fattburger wrote: On Sun, 08 Sep 2013 03:37:15 +, Dave Angel wrote: 1) what OS are you running? Actually, we can be pretty sure you're running Windows, since any other common operating system would have already included Python. Plus I don't often

Re: Can I trust downloading Python?

2013-09-09 Thread Nobody
On Sun, 08 Sep 2013 03:37:15 +, Dave Angel wrote: You can run a 32bit Python on 64bit OS, but not the oter way around. And most people just match the bitness of Python against the bitness of the OS. AFAICT, most people run 32-bit Python on any version of Windows. [And this isn't limited

Re: Can I trust downloading Python?

2013-09-08 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sat, 07 Sep 2013 21:04:59 -0600, Michael Torrie wrote: As for trusting python in general, I do trust the python developers, but recent NSA revelations call just about all aspects of computing, trust, and privacy into doubt. Recent revelations? Where have you been for the last, oh, 20 odd

Re: Can I trust downloading Python?

2013-09-08 Thread Wolfgang Keller
Definitely get the latest version (currently 3.3, soon 3.4). Python keeps getting new features and improvements. Python scripts or applications might not be compatible with Python 3.x and require 2.x instead. Sincerely, Wolfgang -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Can I trust downloading Python?

2013-09-08 Thread Charles Hottel
Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote in message news:522c6e4e$0$29988$c3e8da3$54964...@news.astraweb.com... On Sat, 07 Sep 2013 21:04:59 -0600, Michael Torrie wrote: As for trusting python in general, I do trust the python developers, but recent NSA revelations call

Re: Can I trust downloading Python?

2013-09-08 Thread Chris Angelico
On Mon, Sep 9, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Charles Hottel chot...@earthlink.net wrote: I think this article is relevant althought the code examples are not Python but C: http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.html That is quite true, and yet not truly helpful here :) It's like pointing out that we could

Re: Can I trust downloading Python?

2013-09-08 Thread Terry Reedy
On 9/8/2013 9:29 AM, Wolfgang Keller wrote: Definitely get the latest version (currently 3.3, soon 3.4). Python keeps getting new features and improvements. Python scripts or applications might not be compatible with Python 3.x and require 2.x instead. And the other way around. -- Terry

Re: Can I trust downloading Python?

2013-09-08 Thread llanitedave
I capitalize Free to avoid confusing it with free as in beer. On Sunday, September 8, 2013 3:01:58 AM UTC, Ben Finney wrote: Aaron Martin aaronspencermar...@gmail.com writes: Hi, I am thinking about getting a software but it requires python, so that brought up a few questions. Is it

Can I trust downloading Python?

2013-09-07 Thread Aaron Martin
Hi, I am thinking about getting a software but it requires python, so that brought up a few questions. Is it safe do download python, and does it come with spam or advertisements? If it doesn't then should I get the latest version? I mostly want to know if it is safe to download, because most of

Re: Can I trust downloading Python?

2013-09-07 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Aaron Martin aaronspencermar...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I am thinking about getting a software but it requires python, so that brought up a few questions. Is it safe do download python, and does it come with spam or advertisements? If it doesn't then should I get

Re: Can I trust downloading Python?

2013-09-07 Thread Ben Finney
Aaron Martin aaronspencermar...@gmail.com writes: Hi, I am thinking about getting a software but it requires python, so that brought up a few questions. Is it safe do download python, and does it come with spam or advertisements? Python is free software, meaning that every recipient is free

Re: Can I trust downloading Python?

2013-09-07 Thread Michael Torrie
On 09/07/2013 07:17 PM, Aaron Martin wrote: Hi, I am thinking about getting a software but it requires python, so that brought up a few questions. Is it safe do download python, and does it come with spam or advertisements? If it doesn't then should I get the latest version? I mostly want to

Re: Can I trust downloading Python?

2013-09-07 Thread Dave Angel
On 7/9/2013 21:17, Aaron Martin wrote: Hi, I am thinking about getting a software but it requires python, so that brought up a few questions. Is it safe do download python, and does it come with spam or advertisements? If it doesn't then should I get the latest version? I mostly want to know