On Mar 2, 6:42 am, lkcl luke.leigh...@gmail.com wrote:
ah. right. you're either referring to pyjampiler (in the pyjs
world) or to
[...]
the former actually got taken to an extreme by a group who embedded
the pyjs 0.5 compiler into their application environment, i keep
forgetting
folks hi, apologies for picking this up so late - it's only when i
find these things through random searches that i encounter the
occasional post.
At some point wa in the distant past, g4b wrote:
On the subject of the gui discussion mentioned here last year,
which you get lead to if you
On the subject of the gui discussion mentioned here last year, which you get
lead to if you read around in the pyjamas docs, I have to admit, since I know
both development types (gwt, wx, qt) and (django, jquery), I have to state the
fact, that pyjamas should also consider bonding with native
Having said all that, I would like to eliminate some of the
depedencie. At some point I'll probably re-do the Windows
implementation using ctypes, because pywin32/mfc is hindering
more than helping in some areas. I'm also thinking about ways
to interface directly with Cocoa without going
On 06/17/2010 08:50 AM, Grant Edwards wrote:
On 2010-06-16, Matt m...@themattfella.xxxyyz.com wrote:
On 06/05/2010 09:22 PM, ant wrote:
PyQt is tied to one platform.
Several posters have asked for support for or clarification of this
claim of yours.
Let me guess...
The one platform
On Jun 10, 1:13 am, Martin v. Loewis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote:
That said, PerlTk didn't use Tcl did it?
If you are referring tohttp://search.cpan.org/~srezic/Tk-804.028/-
this also has a full Tcl interpreter, in pTk/mTk, and uses Tcl_Interp
and Tcl_Obj throughout. From the Perl/Tk FAQ (*):
On Jun 6, 2:11 pm, rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Jun 6, 2:06 pm, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
On 06/06/2010 16:31, rantingrick wrote:
On Jun 5, 9:22 pm, antshi...@uklinux.net wrote:
I ask the group; should we try to create a new GUI for Python, with
the
Jeff Hobbs wrote:
On Jun 6, 2:11 pm, rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Jun 6, 2:06 pm, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
On 06/06/2010 16:31, rantingrick wrote:
On Jun 5, 9:22 pm, antshi...@uklinux.net wrote:
I ask the group; should we try to create a new GUI for
On Jun 18, 2:59 pm, Ethan Furman et...@stoneleaf.us wrote:
Jeff Hobbs wrote:
On Jun 6, 2:11 pm, rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Jun 6, 2:06 pm, Mark Lawrence breamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
On 06/06/2010 16:31, rantingrick wrote:
On Jun 5, 9:22 pm, antshi...@uklinux.net wrote:
On 6/18/10 6:16 PM, Jeff Hobbs wrote:
Is there a good web-site / tutorial / book / etc that you would
recommend for getting a good handle on Tk 8.5?
Most of the Tk 8.5 references will be Tcl-based, but one that is cross-
language is Mark Roseman's www.tkdocs.com.
For books, there is John
On 2010-06-16, Matt m...@themattfella.xxxyyz.com wrote:
On 06/05/2010 09:22 PM, ant wrote:
PyQt is tied to one platform.
Several posters have asked for support for or clarification of this
claim of yours.
Let me guess...
The one platform it's tied to is Qt?
--
Grant Edwards
On Jun 15, 2:47 pm, Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-
cybersource.com.au wrote:
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 05:57:13 -0700, lkcl wrote:
to be honest, if you don't put any effort in to use the appropriate
lovely-prettiness panels you can end up with something truly 90s-
esque. but with a little
On Jun 15, 1:07 pm, superpollo ute...@esempio.net wrote:
mind you, i am no python expert, but i really look forward to seeing
pyjamas in the stdlib :-) anytime soon?
*choke* :)
... weelll... let me answer that as if it's serious. you'd have to:
a) define http://python.org as including a
On Jun 6, 5:49 pm, Kevin Walzer k...@codebykevin.com wrote:
.
[much wisdom, particularly
in regard to Tkinter]
.
.
The very diversity of GUI toolkits came into effect because Python is
very easy to extend and integrate with other C/C++ libraries. Writing a
GUI toolkit from
On 06/05/2010 09:22 PM, ant wrote:
PyQt is tied to one platform.
Several posters have asked for support for or clarification of this
claim of yours.
On its face it seems to be nonsense.
So just what are you talking about?
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On 6/14/10 10:35 PM, rantingrick wrote:
On Jun 14, 11:08 pm, Stephen Hansen me+list/pyt...@ixokai.io wrote:
snip
Does not perform to spec. Quote, Inside of A, there are four items in a
vertical line. The bottom which takes up half of the total vertical
space, and the top three share the
On 6/14/10 9:08 PM, Stephen Hansen wrote:
On 6/14/10 8:31 PM, rantingrick wrote:
On Jun 14, 9:41 pm, Stephen Hansen me+list/pyt...@ixokai.io wrote:
I wasn't aware of [row|column]configure, no: however, I am dubious of
how it directly applies.
Maybe you should become more aware of a subject
On Jun 15, 1:41 am, Stephen Hansen me+list/pyt...@ixokai.io wrote:
On 6/14/10 9:08 PM, Stephen Hansen wrote:
You're an *beep*.
For the record, this was inappropriate. A moment's frustration after a
long day does not excuse belligerence, even if unnecessarily provoked.
I apologize.
No
In article 80a7b823-6acb-4ac9-a273-525054265...@k25g2000prh.googlegroups.com,
ant shi...@uklinux.net wrote:
SNIP
My concern is simple: I think that Python is doomed to remain a minor
language unless we crack this problem.
Capitalist fallacy: If I'm not a market leader, I'm a failure
and my
On 15/06/2010 08:39, rantingrick wrote:
On Jun 15, 1:41 am, Stephen Hansenme+list/pyt...@ixokai.io wrote:
On 6/14/10 9:08 PM, Stephen Hansen wrote:
You're an *beep*.
For the record, this was inappropriate. A moment's frustration after a
long day does not excuse belligerence, even if
Stephen Hansen wrote:
unless I've been long mistaken in pack not
having a proportional option. A combination of fill/expand and
anchor do most of everything else, though, that wx's flags and
alignment options.
It's a while since I used tkinter, but if I recall correctly,
the grid manager does
On Jun 14, 9:00 pm, Stephen Hansen me+list/pyt...@ixokai.io wrote:
On 6/14/10 1:00 PM, lkcl wrote:
what we typically recommend is that _even_ though you're going to run
the application desktop - as pure python - you still use JSONRPC [or
XmlHTTPRequest if JSONRPC is overkill]. so, _even_
lkcl ha scritto:
...
That sounds too good to be true.
yup, it does. how can one person, a free software developer, have
come up with something like The Holy Grail of software development,
right? when all the money in the world, from ibm, adobe, microsoft,
google, nokia and so on _hasn't_
On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 05:57:13 -0700, lkcl wrote:
to be honest, if you don't put any effort in to use the appropriate
lovely-prettiness panels you can end up with something truly 90s-
esque. but with a little effort you can do round-edged lovely colour
tabs:
On Jun 13, 4:52 pm, a...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) wrote:
In article cf08e777-b98b-4b7c-96df-e7b127c02...@y4g2000yqy.googlegroups.com,
lkcl luke.leigh...@gmail.com wrote:
i'm recording all of these, and any other web browser manipulation
technology that i've ever encountered, here:
On Jun 13, 3:43 pm, Michael Torrie torr...@gmail.com wrote:
On 06/13/2010 05:29 AM, lkcl wrote:
really? drat. i could have done with knowing that at the time.
hmmm, perhaps i will return to the pyqt4 port after all.
We're now wandering well off-topic here, but then again this thread was
On Jun 13, 2:34 pm, Stephen Hansen me+list/pyt...@ixokai.io wrote:
On 6/13/10 4:29 AM, lkcl wrote:
it's in fact how the entire pyjamas UI widget set is created, by
doing nothing more than direct manipulation of bits of DOM and direct
manipulation of the style properties. really really
On 6/14/10 7:15 AM, lkcl wrote:
On Jun 13, 2:34 pm, Stephen Hansen me+list/pyt...@ixokai.io wrote:
On 6/13/10 4:29 AM, lkcl wrote:
it's in fact how the entire pyjamas UI widget set is created, by
doing nothing more than direct manipulation of bits of DOM and direct
manipulation of the style
On Jun 14, 11:17 am, Stephen Hansen me+list/pyt...@ixokai.io wrote:
And the recursive flow of the DOM is powerful
This style of speaking reminds me of our former hillbilly president
(no not Clinton, he was the eloquent hillbilly!) No i am referring to
good old George Dubya. He left us with so
On 14/06/2010 02:57 p.m., rantingrick wrote:
On Jun 14, 11:17 am, Stephen Hansenme+list/pyt...@ixokai.io wrote:
And the recursive flow of the DOM is powerful
This style of speaking reminds me of our former hillbilly president
(no not Clinton, he was the eloquent hillbilly!) No i am
On Jun 14, 4:17 pm, Stephen Hansen me+list/pyt...@ixokai.io wrote:
Did you just call DOM manipulation simple with a straight face? I don't
think I've ever seen that before.
*lol* - wait for it: see below. summary: once you start using high-
level widgets: yes. without such, yeah
On Jun 14, 5:57 pm, rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Jun 14, 11:17 am, Stephen Hansen me+list/pyt...@ixokai.io wrote:
And the recursive flow of the DOM is powerful
This style of speaking reminds me of our former hillbilly president
(no not Clinton, he was the eloquent hillbilly!)
On Jun 14, 5:57 pm, rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com wrote:
I'll have to very much agree with this assessment Stephan. There
exists not elegant API for these web UI's. The people over at
SketchUp (my second love after python) have this problem on a daily
bases with WebDialogs. Even the
On 6/14/10 11:47 AM, lkcl wrote:
On Jun 14, 4:17 pm, Stephen Hansen me+list/pyt...@ixokai.io wrote:
yes. that's effectively what pyjs applications are about: as much
HTML/CSS as you can stand, then _absolute_ pure javascript from there-
on in... only using a compiler (python-to-javascript)
On 6/14/10 12:16 PM, lkcl wrote:
from thereon in, you DO NOT do *any* HTML page GETs: it's a one-
time static HTML/JS load, and THAT's IT.
the only further interaction that we recommend is first and foremost
JSONRPC (and so, out of the 30 or so pyjamas wiki pages, about 10 of
them involve
On Jun 14, 7:30 pm, Stephen Hansen me+list/pyt...@ixokai.io wrote:
On 6/14/10 11:47 AM, lkcl wrote:
On Jun 14, 4:17 pm, Stephen Hansen me+list/pyt...@ixokai.io wrote:
yes. that's effectively what pyjs applications are about: as much
HTML/CSS as you can stand, then _absolute_ pure
On 6/14/10 1:00 PM, lkcl wrote:
On Jun 14, 7:30 pm, Stephen Hansen me+list/pyt...@ixokai.io wrote:
On 6/14/10 11:47 AM, lkcl wrote:
wx has two separate containment hierarchies. The first is a
hierarchical, parent-child relationship. This is what a lot of people
think is its layout: but its
On Jun 14, 7:30 pm, Stephen Hansen me+list/pyt...@ixokai.io wrote:
On 6/14/10 11:47 AM, lkcl wrote:
On Jun 14, 4:17 pm, Stephen Hansen me+list/pyt...@ixokai.io wrote:
yes. that's effectively what pyjs applications are about: as much
HTML/CSS as you can stand, then _absolute_ pure
On Jun 14, 2:30 pm, Stephen Hansen me+list/pyt...@ixokai.io wrote:
Stephan speaking of Wx geometry managers...
Ahem. /Rant. I'm not saying its the best layout system in the world, but
like your DOM/HTML example -- its resolution independant (and
cross-platform), so you can start resizing
On Jun 14, 2:16 pm, lkcl luke.leigh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Jun 14, 5:57 pm, rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com wrote:
I'll have to very much agree with this assessment Stephan. There
exists not elegant API for these web UI's. The people over at
SketchUp (my second love after python) have
On 6/14/10 3:44 PM, rantingrick wrote:
On Jun 14, 2:30 pm, Stephen Hansen me+list/pyt...@ixokai.io wrote:
Stephan speaking of Wx geometry managers...
Ahem. /Rant. I'm not saying its the best layout system in the world, but
like your DOM/HTML example -- its resolution independant (and
On Jun 14, 2:34 am, Stephen Hansen me+list/pyt...@ixokai.io wrote:
HTML+CSS have some very strong advantages. Simplicity is not one of
them. Precision web design these days is a dark art. (Go center an image
vertically and horizontally in an arbitrary sized field!)
I agree, and I know that's a
--- On Mon, 6/14/10, AD. anton.l...@gmail.com wrote:
From: AD. anton.l...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: GUIs - A Modest Proposal
To: python-list@python.org
Date: Monday, June 14, 2010, 7:51 PM
On Jun 14, 2:34 am, Stephen Hansen
me+list/pyt...@ixokai.io
wrote:
HTML+CSS have some very strong
On 6/14/10 4:51 PM, AD. wrote:
On Jun 14, 2:34 am, Stephen Hansen me+list/pyt...@ixokai.io wrote:
HTML+CSS have some very strong advantages. Simplicity is not one of
them. Precision web design these days is a dark art. (Go center an image
vertically and horizontally in an arbitrary sized
On Jun 15, 11:59 am, Ed Keith e_...@yahoo.com wrote:
But that is in a fixed size field,
That's why I used the same image definition in two different sized
divs to show that the images position wasn't determined by the divs
size.
can you make the height change based on the height of the browser
Nice! I've been looking for that trick for some time.
Thank you,
-EdK
Ed Keith
e_...@yahoo.com
Blog: edkeith.blogspot.com
--- On Mon, 6/14/10, AD. anton.l...@gmail.com wrote:
From: AD. anton.l...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: GUIs - A Modest Proposal
To: python-list@python.org
Date: Monday
On Jun 15, 12:06 pm, Stephen Hansen me+list/pyt...@ixokai.io wrote:
Arbitrarily sized was the key point ;-) In that, you set the sizes of
the div's explicitly.
As I said to Ed, I think you missed why I included the exact same
image in two divs of different sizes. That was to show it was still
On Jun 15, 1:03 pm, Ed Keith e_...@yahoo.com wrote:
Nice! I've been looking for that trick for some time.
Thank you,
A lot of people (including pro web designers even) aren't really aware
of what CSS can actually do. Part of the problem is that everyone only
learnt the semi working subset that
Anton,
Very nice.
As an aside: I don't think you need to explicitly set your image size,
eg. I found your examples worked well with the following CSS properties
removed from the img specification:
width:100px;
height: 100px;
Malcolm
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On 6/14/10 6:02 PM, AD. wrote:
On Jun 15, 12:06 pm, Stephen Hansen me+list/pyt...@ixokai.io wrote:
Arbitrarily sized was the key point ;-) In that, you set the sizes of
the div's explicitly.
As I said to Ed, I think you missed why I included the exact same
image in two divs of different
On Jun 14, 6:27 pm, Stephen Hansen me+list/pyt...@ixokai.io wrote:
I am familiar with grid, pack and place.
Apparently not, read on...
Are you arguing from an API point of view, or a functionality point of
view? snip
I going to argue that Tkinter offers the most elegant interface for
On Jun 14, 6:27 pm, Stephen Hansen me+list/pyt...@ixokai.io wrote:
From a functionality perspective, pack and grid are both distinctly
less capable then wx sizers.
Are you just flapping your gums or can you prove it Stephen? I will
accept any Pepsi Challenge you can muster in Wx code and echo
On 6/14/10 7:05 PM, rantingrick wrote:
The Place geometry manager is the simplest of the three general
geometry managers provided in Tkinter. It allows you explicitly set
the position and size of a window, either in absolute terms, or
relative to another window.
I've no interest in talking
On 6/14/10 7:22 PM, rantingrick wrote:
On Jun 14, 6:27 pm, Stephen Hansen me+list/pyt...@ixokai.io wrote:
[1] But please, make sure to post code that will run as-is. The last
block of wx code you posted is missing an application instance and
will not run without modification. There are noobs
On Jun 15, 1:21 pm, pyt...@bdurham.com wrote:
Anton,
Very nice.
As an aside: I don't think you need to explicitly set your image size,
Yeah, I only did that because I was assuming the image path would
actually be broken (and it was for me too) - it was just to 'simulate'
a 100x100 image :)
On 6/14/10 7:22 PM, rantingrick wrote:
On Jun 14, 6:27 pm, Stephen Hansen me+list/pyt...@ixokai.io wrote:
From a functionality perspective, pack and grid are both distinctly
less capable then wx sizers.
Are you just flapping your gums or can you prove it Stephen? I will
accept any Pepsi
On Jun 15, 1:58 pm, Stephen Hansen me+list/pyt...@ixokai.io wrote:
Very nice. And interesting. position: absolute there is a mystery to
me and seems to be key, I'm not sure entirely what it is doing to the
layout manager in that scenario, but it seems to do the trick.
The Cliff Notes:
On Jun 14, 9:41 pm, Stephen Hansen me+list/pyt...@ixokai.io wrote:
I wasn't aware of [row|column]configure, no: however, I am dubious of
how it directly applies.
Maybe you should become more aware of a subject before you start
running your mouth about it, eh?
Consider this relatively simple
On 6/14/10 8:04 PM, AD. wrote:
Much, much, much Googling led me to try many things to get it just
right, and all bemoaned the lack of a solid way to vertically center:
all the while using essentially similar methods to horizontally center.
I'd recommend the book Pro CSS and HTML Design
On 6/14/10 8:31 PM, rantingrick wrote:
On Jun 14, 9:41 pm, Stephen Hansen me+list/pyt...@ixokai.io wrote:
I wasn't aware of [row|column]configure, no: however, I am dubious of
how it directly applies.
Maybe you should become more aware of a subject before you start
running your mouth
On 6/14/10 9:08 PM, Stephen Hansen wrote:
The code is at: http://ixokai.io/get/layout-wx.py_
If you've already downloaded this, you have to do so again; I uploaded
the wrong one on accident.
--
Stephen Hansen
... Also: Ixokai
... Mail: me+list/python (AT) ixokai (DOT) io
... Blog:
On Jun 14, 11:08 pm, Stephen Hansen me+list/pyt...@ixokai.io wrote:
Maybe you should become more aware of a subject before you start
running your mouth about it, eh?
You know what? SNIP EXPLETIVES
You know what Stephen, just calm down a little. I just pick on you
because you're one of the
On 6/14/10 9:26 PM, rantingrick wrote:
On Jun 14, 11:08 pm, Stephen Hansen me+list/pyt...@ixokai.io wrote:
Maybe you should become more aware of a subject before you start
running your mouth about it, eh?
You know what? SNIP EXPLETIVES
You know what Stephen, just calm down a little. I
On Jun 14, 11:08 pm, Stephen Hansen me+list/pyt...@ixokai.io wrote:
snip
Does not perform to spec. Quote, Inside of A, there are four items in a
vertical line. The bottom which takes up half of the total vertical
space, and the top three share the rest.
No problem, check this out...
import
On 6/12/10 8:26 PM, Gregory Ewing wrote:
On Jun 12, 6:05 pm, Stephen Hansen me+list/pyt...@ixokai.io wrote:
A programming goof, oversight or unexpected event causes an exception.
It doesn't cause a buffer overflow.
The important thing here isn't so much the exception as
the *traceback*.
On 6/12/10 8:42 PM, Gregory Ewing wrote:
Stephen Hansen wrote:
Its one thing for Python to make available foot-shooting tools(this is
good! I love ctypes, with care) for the developer, its another thing
entirely for it to shoot at the ground in the normal course of its
operation and hope it
On 6/12/10 8:34 PM, Gregory Ewing wrote:
lkcl wrote:
* in neither gtk nor qt does there exist an auto-layout widget
that's equivalent to putting some span / DOM objects into a div /,
to flow widgets that wrap around.
You essentially seem to be complaining here that pqyqt and
pygtk are
On 6/12/10 8:22 PM, Gregory Ewing wrote:
Terry Reedy wrote:
Would it be possible to write a program that converts a module that
uses ctypes to interface to a dll to a corresponding C extension
program that would compile to a drop in replacement extension module?
Probably, but I don't see
lkcl wrote:
* in neither gtk nor qt does there exist an auto-layout widget
that's equivalent to putting some span / DOM objects into a div /,
to flow widgets that wrap around. yes, you can put words into a
Label and get them to flow, but not _widgets_.
I'm pretty sure in PyQt4 that you can
On Jun 13, 3:34 am, Gregory Ewing greg.ew...@canterbury.ac.nz wrote:
lkcl wrote:
* in neither gtk nor qt does there exist an auto-layout widget
that's equivalent to putting some span / DOM objects into a div /,
to flow widgets that wrap around.
You essentially seem to be complaining here
On Jun 13, 9:01 am, Jeremy Sanders jeremy
+complangpyt...@jeremysanders.net wrote:
lkcl wrote:
* in neither gtk nor qt does there exist an auto-layout widget
that's equivalent to putting some span / DOM objects into a div /,
to flow widgets that wrap around. yes, you can put words into a
On 6/13/10 4:29 AM, lkcl wrote:
it's in fact how the entire pyjamas UI widget set is created, by
doing nothing more than direct manipulation of bits of DOM and direct
manipulation of the style properties. really really simple.
Did you just call DOM manipulation simple with a straight face? I
On 06/13/2010 05:29 AM, lkcl wrote:
really? drat. i could have done with knowing that at the time.
hmmm, perhaps i will return to the pyqt4 port after all.
We're now wandering well off-topic here, but then again this thread was
never really on any particular topic.
I have to say I'm really
lkcl schrieb:
[snip]
it's the exact same thing for SVG image file-format. i'm
_definitely_ not convinced that SVG the image fileformat is The One
True Way to design images - but i'm equally definitely convinced of
the power of SVG manipulation libraries which allow for the creation
SVG images
On 6/12/2010 11:42 PM, Gregory Ewing wrote:
Seriously, though, if you can't trust someone to write safe
ctypes-using code, can you trust them to write safe C code any
better?
No, and I think you are missing the concern about ctypes. There are two
issues of ctypes versus safety/security:
In article cf08e777-b98b-4b7c-96df-e7b127c02...@y4g2000yqy.googlegroups.com,
lkcl luke.leigh...@gmail.com wrote:
i'm recording all of these, and any other web browser manipulation
technology that i've ever encountered, here:
http://wiki.python.org/moin/WebBrowserProgramming
Neat! Why aren't
On Jun 13, 3:52 pm, Arndt Roger Schneider arndt.ro...@addcom.de
wrote:
lkcl schrieb:
[snip]
it's the exact same thing for SVG image file-format. i'm
_definitely_ not convinced that SVG the image fileformat is The One
True Way to design images - but i'm equally definitely convinced of
On 6/13/2010 7:20 AM, lkcl wrote:
I'm far from convinced that HTML and CSS are the One True Way
to design GUIs these days,
if you have HTML the fileformat and CSS the fileformat in mind
when saying that, i can tell you right now that they're not.
fortunately, with the W3C DOM functions
On 12/06/2010 14:44, lkcl wrote:
On Jun 6, 10:49 pm, Kevin Walzerk...@codebykevin.com wrote:
- Pythonic
- The default GUI (so it replaces Tkinter)
- It has the support of the majority of the Python community
- Simple and obvious to use for simple things
- Comprehensive, for complicated things
On 12/06/2010 03:34, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 14:13:44 +1200, Gregory Ewing wrote:
Steven D'Aprano wrote:
This
reminds me of time-travellers suffering from time lag in the
wonderful novel To Say Nothing Of The Dog by Connie Willis.
One of the many excellent reasons why
Yeah. I get the policy in general, a proliferation of ctypes stuff could
be very bad -- but if code is very careful with type-checking and stuff,
it should be possible to get an exception, I'd hope.
Only if you can live with the respective module not being available all
the time.
The issue is
On 06/12/10 08:21, Martin v. Loewis wrote:
cut
The issue is not that you may mistakes in the ctypes code, thus allowing
users to crash Python. The issue is that if users remove ctypes (which
they may want to do because it's not trustworthy), then your module will
stop working (unless you have a
Got me thinking, is it perhaps doable to have a 'safe' ctype that is
guaranteed to be in the stdlib? Perhaps crippling it in a sense that it
only allows a known set of functions to be called?
In some sense, a C module wrapping a selected number of functions
(like the win32 extensions) is
Martin P. Hellwig wrote:
Martin v. Loewis wrote:
cut The issue is not that you may mistakes in the ctypes code, thus
allowing
users to crash Python. The issue is that if users remove ctypes (which
they may want to do because it's not trustworthy), then your module will
stop working
Perhaps instead of restricting what functions ctypes can use, we could
restrict what modules can use ctypes. For example, maybe only modules
in certain directories should be allowed to import ctypes.
And that's indeed the case. The test suite may use ctypes.
Regards,
Martin
--
[ye gods, i think this is the largest thread i've ever seen, but i
still feel compelled to wind back to the beginning and spew forth
words.]
On Jun 6, 2:22 am, ant shi...@uklinux.net wrote:
I get the strong feeling that nobody is really happy with the state of
Python GUIs.
yep. that's why i
On Jun 6, 10:49 pm, Kevin Walzer k...@codebykevin.com wrote:
- Pythonic
- The default GUI (so it replaces Tkinter)
- It has the support of the majority of the Python community
- Simple and obvious to use for simple things
- Comprehensive, for complicated things
- Cross-platform
-
On Jun 6, 10:55 pm, ant shi...@uklinux.net wrote:
On Jun 6, 2:22 pm, ant shi...@uklinux.net wrote: I get the strong feeling
that nobody is really happy with the state of
Python GUIs.
snip...
What an interesting set of responses I got!
And - even more interesting - how few of them
On Jun 7, 9:25 pm, Arndt Roger Schneider arndt.ro...@addcom.de
wrote:
Terry Reedy schrieb:
Forget postscript!
Generate SVG from a tk canvas or --better-- from tkpath.
Jeszra (from me) generates SVG. There is also a SVG export
... orr, you use a modern web browser engine such as XulRunner
On 6/12/10 9:44 AM, lkcl wrote:
that's not quite true - you can create a simple core which is easily
extensible with third party contributions to create more comprehensive
widgets.
That's exactly the design philosophy of Tk: a small core widget set
(recently expanded somewhat with the ttk
On Jun 9, 5:12 am, rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com wrote:
But you know i think it boils down to fear really. He is comfortable
in his life and wishes to keep it as cookie cutter as he can. Any
outside influence must be quashed before these meddling forces can
take hold of him. He is so
On Jun 9, 8:45 am, Lie Ryan lie.1...@gmail.com wrote:
On 06/09/10 08:20, Martin P. Hellwig wrote:
I do think it is technically possible to have your own window manager in
python on x11 but I have no idea if you have equal possibilities on mac
Doesn't Mac uses an X server as well?
not by
On Jun 9, 11:16 am, ant shi...@uklinux.net wrote:
And who are the beginning programmers going to turn into? If we do our
stuff right, Python programmers. If not,
Java or PHP or Visual Basic programmers. Or website designers. Or
worse (is there a worse?).
yes - Java programmers who use COM
On 6/12/10 12:21 AM, Martin v. Loewis wrote:
Otherwise it makes certain windows-workarounds very problematic. You
basically /have/ to write a C extension :|
That's not problematic at all, for the standard library. Just write that
C extension.
Come now, of course it is. It may not be
On Jun 9, 5:16 pm, Ethan Furman et...@stoneleaf.us wrote:
Gregory Ewing wrote:
Kevin Walzer wrote:
PyGUI ... certainly is *not* a lightweight GUI toolkit that could
easily be incorporated into the Python core library--it instead has
rather complex dependencies on both other GUI toolkits
On Jun 9, 5:38 pm, rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes we need a leader. Someone who is not afraid of the naysayers.
Someone with Guido's vision. When the leader emerges, the people will
rally.
... Mahh? Whey'rus ma guuhhn? haww haww
:)
--
That's the reason why it won't happen. Everybody asking for change is
not willing to lead the effort. Everybody who would be able and might be
willing to lead the change fails to see the need for change.
*lol*. i don't know why, but i think that's so hilarious i might
make it my .sig. it
On Jun 10, 6:26 pm, Martin v. Loewis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote:
or PyGui would need to be implemented in terms of ctypes (which then
would prevent its inclusion, because there is a policy that ctypes
must not be used in the standard library).
Is there? I wasn't aware of that. What's the
On Jun 10, 6:56 pm, Stephen Hansen me+list/pyt...@ixokai.io wrote:
For example: if you want to embed a CSS-capable web-browser into your
app? PyQT is actually your best option-- albeit a commercial one if
you're not open source.. wx/Python haven't yet finished WebKit
integration(*).
there
On Jun 12, 8:11 am, Martin v. Loewis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote:
Got me thinking, is it perhaps doable to have a 'safe' ctype that is
guaranteed to be in the stdlib? Perhaps crippling it in a sense that it
only allows a known set of functions to be called?
In some sense, a C module wrapping
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