Re: Modules for inclusion in standard library?

2005-07-08 Thread Gregory Piñero
Has anyone recommended ftputil? Either add that to the library or make the existing ftp module more high level would be my suggestion. http://www.sschwarzer.net/python/python_software.html -Greg On 7 Jul 2005 05:38:28 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. LDAP module should

Re: Modules for inclusion in standard library?

2005-07-07 Thread awbarker
1. LDAP module should be included in the base distro. 2. DNS library really should be included in the base library, I emailed Anthony Baxter and he replied, saying it was almost done. 3. Ipython would be nice -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

A Policy for Inclusion in the Standard Library: was Modules for inclusion in standard library?

2005-07-03 Thread Colin J. Williams
Terry Reedy wrote: Colin J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Isn't this where the discussion should start? There should be some general policy guiding the types of modules which should be in the standard library. A couple of times, Guido has given his

Re: Modules for inclusion in standard library?

2005-07-02 Thread Colin J. Williams
Steven Bethard wrote: Fredrik Johansson wrote: On 6/27/05, Reinhold Birkenfeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you have any other good and valued Python modules that you would think are bug-free, mature (that includes a long release distance) and useful enough to be granted a place in

Re: Modules for inclusion in standard library?

2005-07-02 Thread Tom Anderson
On Fri, 1 Jul 2005, Scott David Daniels wrote: Daniel Dittmar wrote: Rocco Moretti wrote: Except that (please correct me if I'm wrong) there is somewhat of a policy for not including interface code for third party programs which are not part of the operating system. (I.e. the modules in

Re: Modules for inclusion in standard library?

2005-07-02 Thread Colin J. Williams
Gregory Piñero wrote: While that policy does make sense, I think a database program falls somewhere in between an OS and an everyday third party program. For web developers, the database might as well be the OS. I use the database to store everything in my web app. That way I can just worry

Re: Modules for inclusion in standard library?

2005-07-02 Thread Colin J. Williams
Rocco Moretti wrote: Paul Rubin wrote: Rocco Moretti [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Except that (please correct me if I'm wrong) there is somewhat of a policy for not including interface code for third party programs which are not part of the operating system. (I.e. the modules in the standard

Re: Modules for inclusion in standard library?

2005-07-02 Thread Terry Reedy
Colin J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Isn't this where the discussion should start? There should be some general policy guiding the types of modules which should be in the standard library. A couple of times, Guido has given his general policy as generally

Re: Modules for inclusion in standard library?

2005-07-01 Thread Max M
Reinhold Birkenfeld wrote: Hello, Do you have any other good and valued Python modules that you would think are bug-free, mature (that includes a long release distance) and useful enough to be granted a place in the stdlib? For my part, ctypes seems like a suggestion to start with. ctypes

Re: Modules for inclusion in standard library?

2005-07-01 Thread Ivan Van Laningham
Hi All-- Max M wrote: Another good bet is BeautifulSoup, which is absolutely great for scraping content from webpages. http://crummy.com/software/BeautifulSoup/index.html Not if you want to handle HTML in anything but ASCII. BeautifulSoup insists you change your site.py to change the

Re: Modules for inclusion in standard library?

2005-07-01 Thread Rocco Moretti
Paul Rubin wrote: Rocco Moretti [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Except that (please correct me if I'm wrong) there is somewhat of a policy for not including interface code for third party programs which are not part of the operating system. (I.e. the modules in the standard libary should all be

Re: Modules for inclusion in standard library?

2005-07-01 Thread Daniel Dittmar
Rocco Moretti wrote: Except that (please correct me if I'm wrong) there is somewhat of a policy for not including interface code for third party programs which are not part of the operating system. (I.e. the modules in the standard libary should all be usable for anyone with a default OS +

Re: Modules for inclusion in standard library?

2005-07-01 Thread Scott David Daniels
Daniel Dittmar wrote: Rocco Moretti wrote: Except that (please correct me if I'm wrong) there is somewhat of a policy for not including interface code for third party programs which are not part of the operating system. (I.e. the modules in the standard libary should all be usable for anyone

Re: Modules for inclusion in standard library?

2005-06-30 Thread Simon Brunning
On 6/29/05, Thomas Heller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To me, this sounds that *at least* a PEP would be needed to convince Guido. Or, to record the reasoning why it cannot be included. I have a feeling that Guido won't allow ctypes into the standard library since it can crash Python. I don't

Re: Modules for inclusion in standard library?

2005-06-30 Thread Christopher Arndt
Simon Brunning schrieb: On 6/29/05, Christopher Arndt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Adding sqllite to the standard library has been discussed before: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/fd150297c201f814 Yeah, but they didn't seem to have come to a

Re: Modules for inclusion in standard library?

2005-06-30 Thread Tom Anderson
On Wed, 29 Jun 2005, it was written: Rocco Moretti [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Except that (please correct me if I'm wrong) there is somewhat of a policy for not including interface code for third party programs which are not part of the operating system. I've never heard of Python having

Re: Modules for inclusion in standard library?

2005-06-30 Thread Mike Meyer
Harry George [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: b) Installing distutils-aware python packages is trivial. I'd rather the energy which might go into a bigger std library go instead into helping projects which don't have distutils-style builds. How about integrating distutils and PyPI, so that

Re: Modules for inclusion in standard library?

2005-06-30 Thread Robert Kern
Mike Meyer wrote: Harry George [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: b) Installing distutils-aware python packages is trivial. I'd rather the energy which might go into a bigger std library go instead into helping projects which don't have distutils-style builds. How about integrating distutils and

Re: Modules for inclusion in standard library?

2005-06-29 Thread Simon Brunning
On 6/28/05, John Roth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd definitely like to see ctypes. I can agree with the segfault issue, but I think that some design work would eliminate that. I'm not sure that it would. Ctypes allows you, as one colleague memorably put it, to poke the operating system with a

Re: Modules for inclusion in standard library?

2005-06-29 Thread Thomas Heller
Simon Brunning [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 6/28/05, John Roth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd definitely like to see ctypes. I can agree with the segfault issue, but I think that some design work would eliminate that. I'm not sure that it would. Ctypes allows you, as one colleague memorably

Re: Modules for inclusion in standard library?

2005-06-29 Thread Gregory Piñero
I'd like to see some database API's to the most common databases included. It would make Python much more useful for web development. I've come across situations where a web host supports python and supports MySQL yet it's taken me days to get the MySQLAPI installed with running setup in my home

Re: Modules for inclusion in standard library?

2005-06-29 Thread bruno modulix
George Sakkis wrote: bruno modulix [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: George Sakkis wrote: I'd love to see IPython replace the standard interpreter. I dont. Care to say why ? Sorry... it was about the replace, not about IPython itself nor about IPython becoming part of the stdlib. IPython is a

Re: Modules for inclusion in standard library?

2005-06-29 Thread Chris Cioffi
One of my votes would be for something like: http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Cookbook/Python/Recipe/303481or http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Cookbook/Python/Recipe/303770. We use something like these in the stdlib already (time_struct), but don't supply a ready solution for people to implement

Re: Modules for inclusion in standard library?

2005-06-29 Thread Paul Rubin
Gregory Piñero [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'd like to see some database API's to the most common databases included. Yes, certainly, this is a serious deficiency with Python. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Modules for inclusion in standard library?

2005-06-29 Thread Gregory Piñero
While that policy does make sense, I think a database program falls somewhere in between an OS and an everyday third party program. For web developers, the database might as well be the OS. I use the database to store everything in my web app. That way I can just worry about 1 place to access

Re: Modules for inclusion in standard library?

2005-06-29 Thread Gregory Piñero
And 1 more argument for adding DB support, a large part of PHP's success as a web langauge is being easily interoperable with MySQL (out of the box I think? I haven't used it.) But I think it's tight integration with MySQL really helped it find its niche. I think batteries included means

Re: Modules for inclusion in standard library?

2005-06-29 Thread Steven Bethard
Noah wrote: def unzip(list): if len(list) == 0: return () l = [] for t in range(len(list[0])): l.append(map( lambda x,t=t: x[t], list )) return tuple(l) The simplest solution to this problem that I know of: def unzip(iterable): return zip(*iterable)

Re: Modules for inclusion in standard library?

2005-06-29 Thread Mike Meyer
Rocco Moretti [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Except that (please correct me if I'm wrong) there is somewhat of a policy for not including interface code for third party programs which are not part of the operating system. (I.e. the modules in the standard libary should all be usable for anyone

Re: Modules for inclusion in standard library?

2005-06-29 Thread Terry Hancock
On Wednesday 29 June 2005 04:55 am, Simon Brunning wrote: On 6/28/05, John Roth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd definitely like to see ctypes. I can agree with the segfault issue, but I think that some design work would eliminate that. I'm not sure that it would. Ctypes allows you, as one

Re: Modules for inclusion in standard library?

2005-06-28 Thread projecktzero
I'll 2nd the vote for Pychecker. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Modules for inclusion in standard library?

2005-06-28 Thread bruno modulix
George Sakkis wrote: I'd love to see IPython replace the standard interpreter. I dont. -- bruno desthuilliers python -c print '@'.join(['.'.join([w[::-1] for w in p.split('.')]) for p in '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'.split('@')]) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Modules for inclusion in standard library?

2005-06-28 Thread George Sakkis
bruno modulix [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: George Sakkis wrote: I'd love to see IPython replace the standard interpreter. I dont. Care to say why ? George -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Modules for inclusion in standard library?

2005-06-28 Thread John Roth
Reinhold Birkenfeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, at the moment python-dev is discussing including Jason Orendorff's path module into the standard library. Do you have any other good and valued Python modules that you would think are bug-free, mature

Re: Modules for inclusion in standard library?

2005-06-28 Thread Reinhold Birkenfeld
George Sakkis wrote: bruno modulix [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: George Sakkis wrote: I'd love to see IPython replace the standard interpreter. I dont. Care to say why ? For an easy, quick interactive interpreter, it's way to overloaded with functions and too slow in startup. However,

Re: Modules for inclusion in standard library?

2005-06-28 Thread George Sakkis
Reinhold Birkenfeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: George Sakkis wrote: bruno modulix [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: George Sakkis wrote: I'd love to see IPython replace the standard interpreter. I dont. Care to say why ? For an easy, quick interactive interpreter, it's way to overloaded

Re: Modules for inclusion in standard library?

2005-06-28 Thread Robert Kern
George Sakkis wrote: Reinhold Birkenfeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For an easy, quick interactive interpreter, it's way to overloaded with functions and too slow in startup. Too slow ? It doesn't take more than a second or two to startup in a two years old 1.8Ghz Athlon and an older 900Mhz

RE: Modules for inclusion in standard library?

2005-06-28 Thread Tony Meyer
Do you have any other good and valued Python modules that you would think are bug-free, mature (that includes a long release distance) and useful enough to be granted a place in the stdlib? First of all, numeric/numarray, obviously! There has been recent discussion about this. Check

Modules for inclusion in standard library?

2005-06-27 Thread Reinhold Birkenfeld
Hello, at the moment python-dev is discussing including Jason Orendorff's path module into the standard library. Do you have any other good and valued Python modules that you would think are bug-free, mature (that includes a long release distance) and useful enough to be granted a place in the

Re: Modules for inclusion in standard library?

2005-06-27 Thread Thomas Heller
Reinhold Birkenfeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello, at the moment python-dev is discussing including Jason Orendorff's path module into the standard library. I have never used the path module before, although I've heard good things about it. But, it seems to have problems with unicode

Re: Modules for inclusion in standard library?

2005-06-27 Thread Fredrik Johansson
On 6/27/05, Reinhold Birkenfeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you have any other good and valued Python modules that you would think are bug-free, mature (that includes a long release distance) and useful enough to be granted a place in the stdlib? First of all, numeric/numarray, obviously! I'd

Re: Modules for inclusion in standard library?

2005-06-27 Thread Steven Bethard
Reinhold Birkenfeld wrote: For my part, ctypes seems like a suggestion to start with. I believe this has been discussed somewhere before and the conclusion was that ctypes should not be a candidate for inclusion in the Python stdlib because people don't want things in the stdlib that can make

Re: Modules for inclusion in standard library?

2005-06-27 Thread Steven Bethard
Fredrik Johansson wrote: On 6/27/05, Reinhold Birkenfeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you have any other good and valued Python modules that you would think are bug-free, mature (that includes a long release distance) and useful enough to be granted a place in the stdlib? First of all,

Re: Modules for inclusion in standard library?

2005-06-27 Thread George Sakkis
I'd love to see IPython replace the standard interpreter. Pychecker seems to be a strong candidate too. George -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Modules for inclusion in standard library?

2005-06-27 Thread Robert Kern
Reinhold Birkenfeld wrote: Hello, at the moment python-dev is discussing including Jason Orendorff's path module into the standard library. Do you have any other good and valued Python modules that you would think are bug-free, mature (that includes a long release distance) and useful

Re: Modules for inclusion in standard library?

2005-06-27 Thread Michael Hoffman
Robert Kern wrote: I would like to see the setuptools/PythonEggs/EasyInstall trifecta get more attention and eyeballs. Once it is mature, I think that it will obviate the desire for stdlibification of most of the packages being requested here. Looks pretty cool! -- Michael Hoffman --

Re: Modules for inclusion in standard library?

2005-06-27 Thread Chris Connett
pyparsing is the far and away the easiest general purpose parser out there that I've encountered; BNF-style grammar parsing is a *pleasure* with pyparsing. And it all comes in a single pure python module to boot. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list