python-forum

2012-11-02 Thread Sacha Rook
Hi does anyone know where the python-form.org site has gone? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: python-forum

2012-11-02 Thread Chris Rebert
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 1:19 AM, Sacha Rook sachar...@gmail.com wrote: Hi does anyone know where the python-form.org site has gone? Some googling suggests that it's under new management: http://mcompute.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=2161 But comp.lang.python/python-list is better anyway [ ;-) ], and

Re: python-forum

2012-11-02 Thread Sacha Rook
Thanks for the update and the invite don't mind if I do. cheers sachlar On 2 November 2012 08:26, Chris Rebert c...@rebertia.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 1:19 AM, Sacha Rook sachar...@gmail.com wrote: Hi does anyone know where the python-form.org site has gone? Some googling

Re: Non Sequitur: Re: Python Forum

2010-06-09 Thread Gregory Ewing
rantingrick wrote: I ate three fishes just sounds wrong to me. What's the plural of sheep Stephen :-D It's sheepses, isn't it? Am I missing something? -- Greg -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Non Sequitur: Re: Python Forum

2010-06-09 Thread geremy condra
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 1:19 AM, Gregory Ewing greg.ew...@canterbury.ac.nz wrote: rantingrick wrote: I ate three fishes just sounds wrong to me. What's the plural of sheep Stephen :-D It's sheepses, isn't it? Am I missing something? Shyp. Pronounced the same way, just spelled differently.

Re: Non Sequitur: Re: Python Forum

2010-06-08 Thread News123
rantingrick wrote: On Jun 7, 12:41 am, Steven D'Aprano steve-REMOVE- t...@cybersource.com.au wrote: Fish can be either singular (as in I fed the fish) or a collective noun (there are many fish that live in salt water). Plural is fishes, as in I ate three fishes, although in common use

Re: Non Sequitur: Re: Python Forum

2010-06-08 Thread Mark Young
According to the Oxford Dictionary: *fish** noun http://www.oup.com/oald-bin/#fish_noun**, **verb http://www.oup.com/oald-bin/#fish_verb*noun *(**pl.**fish** or **fishes**) *Fish is the usual plural form. The older form, fishes, can be used to refer to different kinds of fish... However, I would

Re: Non Sequitur: Re: Python Forum

2010-06-08 Thread Jack Diederich
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Mark Young marky1...@gmail.com wrote: According to the Oxford Dictionary: fish noun, verb noun (pl.fish or fishes)Fish is the usual plural form. The older form, fishes, can be used to refer to different kinds of fish... However, I would correct anyone that

Re: Non Sequitur: Re: Python Forum

2010-06-08 Thread rantingrick
On Jun 8, 9:00 pm, Jack Diederich jackd...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Mark Young marky1...@gmail.com wrote: According to the Oxford Dictionary: fish noun, verb noun (pl.fish or fishes)Fish is the usual plural form. The older form, fishes, can be used to refer to

Re: Non Sequitur: Re: Python Forum

2010-06-08 Thread MRAB
Mark Young wrote: According to the Oxford Dictionary: *fish** noun http://www.oup.com/oald-bin/#fish_noun**, **verb http://www.oup.com/oald-bin/#fish_verb*noun *(**pl.**fish** or **fishes**)*Fish is the usual plural form. The older form, fishes, can be used to refer to different kinds of

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-07 Thread python
However, it would be nice to have an expire function so that messages that I don't read for a specified time simply disappear. Do any email clients do that? I use Fastmail.fm as my email service (and browser based email client). Fastmail supports the ability to automatically delete messages

Re: Non Sequitur: Re: Python Forum

2010-06-07 Thread rantingrick
On Jun 7, 12:41 am, Steven D'Aprano steve-REMOVE- t...@cybersource.com.au wrote: Fish can be either singular (as in I fed the fish) or a collective noun (there are many fish that live in salt water). Plural is fishes, as in I ate three fishes, although in common use people tend to use

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-06 Thread Monte Milanuk
On 6/5/10 10:11 PM, Aahz wrote: In articlemailman.872.1275580208.32709.python-l...@python.org, Monte Milanukmemila...@gmail.com wrote: Decent NNTP access is harder to find. Not impossible, but no longer a 'free' part of most standard ISP access any more. This seems like a good time to

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-06 Thread Aahz
In article mailman.994.1275840759.32709.python-l...@python.org, Monte Milanuk memila...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/5/10 10:11 PM, Aahz wrote: In articlemailman.872.1275580208.32709.python-l...@python.org, Monte Milanukmemila...@gmail.com wrote: Decent NNTP access is harder to find. Not

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-06 Thread rantingrick
On Jun 2, 3:04 am, pyDev einars.stra...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I would like to let the community know that there is a new web-based forum for Python enthusiasts over at PythonForum.org (http:// pythonforum.org). There has been many arguments here for and against Usenet. Personally I say

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-06 Thread Monte Milanuk
On 6/6/10 9:46 AM, Aahz wrote: but I prefer to rely on someone else's sysadmin and I really don't want to allow remote connections into my home network. To each their own... while Panix is fairly relaxed as a shell host, I prefer to not have someone else telling me what I can and can't

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-06 Thread Aahz
In article mailman.999.1275845128.32709.python-l...@python.org, Monte Milanuk memila...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/6/10 9:46 AM, Aahz wrote: but I prefer to rely on someone else's sysadmin and I really don't want to allow remote connections into my home network. To each their own... while Panix is

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-06 Thread Ben Finney
rantingrick rantingr...@gmail.com writes: There has been many arguments here for and against Usenet. Personally I say the rein of Usenet is coming to its logical conclusion. Dead as a clavo! Much better interfaces abound. So you say. For the interface to be “better” it needs to keep the good

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-06 Thread D'Arcy J.M. Cain
On Mon, 07 Jun 2010 10:17:39 +1000 Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: So you say. For the interface to be “better” it needs to keep the good features of the existing interface. I include among the good features of Usenet: That's a great list of features. But they all apply to

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-06 Thread Lie Ryan
On 06/07/10 10:45, D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote: On Mon, 07 Jun 2010 10:17:39 +1000 Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: So you say. For the interface to be “better” it needs to keep the good features of the existing interface. I include among the good features of Usenet: That's a great

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-06 Thread D'Arcy J.M. Cain
On Mon, 07 Jun 2010 11:02:21 +1000 Lie Ryan lie.1...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/07/10 10:45, D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote: That's a great list of features. But they all apply to mailing lists as well. I think Ben Finney was making comparison between Usenet/Mailing-List vs Forum. The argument

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-06 Thread Ben Finney
D'Arcy J.M. Cain da...@druid.net writes: On Mon, 07 Jun 2010 10:17:39 +1000 Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: So you say. For the interface to be “better” it needs to keep the good features of the existing interface. I include among the good features of Usenet: That's a great

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-06 Thread Ben Finney
D'Arcy J.M. Cain da...@druid.net writes: On Mon, 07 Jun 2010 11:02:21 +1000 Lie Ryan lie.1...@gmail.com wrote: I think Ben Finney was making comparison between Usenet/Mailing-List vs Forum. The argument basically sums up to Distributed vs. Centralized. I don't know what Ben was thinking

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-06 Thread Aahz
In article 87r5kj8zmk@benfinney.id.au, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: So you say. For the interface to be better it needs to keep the good features of the existing interface. I include among the good features of Usenet: [...] You skipped over the crowning glories of Usenet:

Re: Non Sequitur: Re: Python Forum

2010-06-06 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sun, 06 Jun 2010 21:45:44 -0700, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: On Mon, 07 Jun 2010 11:29:59 +1000, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au declaimed the following in gmane.comp.python.general: claim to the word. The existing forums are still forums. I favor fora G I see your smiley,

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-05 Thread Lie Ryan
On 06/05/10 12:34, John Bokma wrote: Lie Ryan lie.1...@gmail.com writes: If you look at Stack Overflow, the highest voted questions are: - Hidden Features of C#? - What is the single most influential book every programmer should read? - What's your favorite programmer cartoon? - What is

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-05 Thread John Bokma
Lie Ryan lie.1...@gmail.com writes: On 06/05/10 12:34, John Bokma wrote: [..] http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/python But to be honest I mostly end up on Stack Overflow when I google for a specific problem, and most of the time I find a nice concise answer without much noise.

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-05 Thread Aahz
In article mailman.872.1275580208.32709.python-l...@python.org, Monte Milanuk memila...@gmail.com wrote: Decent NNTP access is harder to find. Not impossible, but no longer a 'free' part of most standard ISP access any more. This seems like a good time to promote my ISP: panix.com -- Aahz

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-05 Thread Aahz
In article 4c09b1f7$0$28659$c3e8...@news.astraweb.com, Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-cybersource.com.au wrote: I'm sorry for all you people who don't live in a place with a genuinely free market, and instead have to suffer with the lack of competition and poor service of a monopoly or

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-04 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Thu, 03 Jun 2010 22:05:19 -0700, Phlip wrote: On Jun 3, 9:54 pm, Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this- cybersource.com.au wrote: I don't know what rubbish ISPs you're dealing with You've heard of a little fly-by-night outfit called ATT? Yes I have. Aren't they the people who were engaged

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-04 Thread John Nagle
Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Thu, 03 Jun 2010 03:16:03 -0700, Pierre Quentel wrote: So the OP's initiative should be an incentive to think on the format of the interaction between all the range of Python users, from newbees to gurus. We are in the 2.0 era, with social networks all over the place

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-04 Thread D'Arcy J.M. Cain
On 04 Jun 2010 05:41:17 GMT Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-cybersource.com.au wrote: Sure, a lot of those 1,800 posts are spam, but the spammers wouldn't waste their time if they didn't think there were people still on Usenet. Kidding, right? Cost to spam is virtually zero so the ROI is

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-04 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 15:40 -0700, Phlip wrote: On Jun 3, 3:20 pm, geremy condra debat...@gmail.com wrote: You mean like how I never get answers, to my super-easy GED-level questions, here??! I agree. This proves conclusively that a web forum is the right place for you. Ah, so you feel

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-04 Thread Pierre Quentel
be, and I don't fear a competing general Python forum or forums. If they're better than comp.lang.python, they will attract more users and become the place to be, and if they're not, they won't. -- Steven -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-04 Thread Jim Byrnes
Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Thu, 03 Jun 2010 22:05:19 -0700, Phlip wrote: On Jun 3, 9:54 pm, Steven D'Apranost...@remove-this- cybersource.com.au wrote: I don't know what rubbish ISPs you're dealing with You've heard of a little fly-by-night outfit called ATT? Yes I have. Aren't they the

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-04 Thread Michael Torrie
On 06/03/2010 04:15 AM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: The best solution I've seen is what is used by the Mono project; which provides both a web forum and a mail list interface. http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list http://go-mono.com/forums/ I just checked the archives of

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-04 Thread Emile van Sebille
On 6/3/2010 10:41 PM Steven D'Aprano said... On Thu, 03 Jun 2010 06:15:20 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: Most people use this list via e-mail, How do you know? Do you have evidence for this, or are you just making it up? Is there now a non-email method of posting to this list? Emile

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-04 Thread John Bokma
Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-cybersource.com.au writes: But the really sad thing is that you think that bigger automatically equals better. I don't think that was the point. Anyway, not everbody can pick a provider, there are plenty of places that have only one or maybe two. And if

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-04 Thread Andreas Waldenburger
On Fri, 04 Jun 2010 00:57:15 +1000 Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: Andreas Waldenburger use...@geekmail.invalid writes: But consolidation is the *only* way to go, really. The parallelism between c.l.p. and python-list is great already. Now throw some sort of Forum in the mix

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-04 Thread Terry Reedy
On 6/4/2010 12:28 PM, Emile van Sebille wrote: Is there now a non-email method of posting to this list? Google == comp.lang.python == python-list == gmane.comp.python.general where == is a bi-directional gateway. Gmane mirrors about 250 other Python mailing lists under

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-04 Thread Alf P. Steinbach
* Andreas Waldenburger, on 04.06.2010 20:21: On Fri, 04 Jun 2010 00:57:15 +1000 Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: Andreas Waldenburgeruse...@geekmail.invalid writes: But consolidation is the *only* way to go, really. The parallelism between c.l.p. and python-list is great

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-04 Thread Andreas Waldenburger
On Fri, 04 Jun 2010 09:28:23 -0700 Emile van Sebille em...@fenx.com wrote: On 6/3/2010 10:41 PM Steven D'Aprano said... On Thu, 03 Jun 2010 06:15:20 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: Most people use this list via e-mail, How do you know? Do you have evidence for this, or are you just

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-04 Thread John Bokma
Pierre Quentel quentel.pie...@wanadoo.fr writes: They certainly *can* distinguish. But it's so easy to make it more explicit with syntax highlighting, background color, border etc. that most sites about programing languages use it, including the Python home site itself, or the Python cookbook

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-04 Thread John Bokma
Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-cybersource.com.au writes: Sure, a lot of those 1,800 posts are spam, but the spammers wouldn't waste their time if they didn't think there were people still on Usenet. Heh, since spamming goes automatically who cares how many people it reaches. I also see

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-04 Thread John Bokma
Emile van Sebille em...@fenx.com writes: On 6/3/2010 10:41 PM Steven D'Aprano said... On Thu, 03 Jun 2010 06:15:20 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: Most people use this list via e-mail, How do you know? Do you have evidence for this, or are you just making it up? Is there now a

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-04 Thread Andreas Waldenburger
On Fri, 04 Jun 2010 20:36:02 +0200 Alf P. Steinbach al...@start.no wrote: * Andreas Waldenburger, on 04.06.2010 20:21: On Fri, 04 Jun 2010 00:57:15 +1000 Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: Andreas Waldenburgeruse...@geekmail.invalid writes: But consolidation is the *only*

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-04 Thread Emile van Sebille
On 6/4/2010 11:27 AM Terry Reedy said... On 6/4/2010 12:28 PM, Emile van Sebille wrote: Is there now a non-email method of posting to this list? Google == comp.lang.python == python-list == gmane.comp.python.general where == is a bi-directional gateway. Yes -- I use gmane as well. But,

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-04 Thread Alf P. Steinbach
* John Bokma, on 04.06.2010 20:19: Steven D'Apranost...@remove-this-cybersource.com.au writes: But the really sad thing is that you think that bigger automatically equals better. I don't think that was the point. Anyway, not everbody can pick a provider, there are plenty of places that

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-04 Thread Lie Ryan
On 06/04/10 11:56, John Bokma wrote: Phlip phlip2...@gmail.com writes: On Jun 3, 3:20 pm, geremy condra debat...@gmail.com wrote: You mean like how I never get answers, to my super-easy GED-level questions, here??! I agree. This proves conclusively that a web forum is the right place for

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-04 Thread Lie Ryan
On 06/05/10 04:19, John Bokma wrote: Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-cybersource.com.au writes: But the really sad thing is that you think that bigger automatically equals better. I don't think that was the point. Anyway, not everbody can pick a provider, there are plenty of places

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-04 Thread Lie Ryan
On 06/05/10 05:04, Emile van Sebille wrote: On 6/4/2010 11:27 AM Terry Reedy said... On 6/4/2010 12:28 PM, Emile van Sebille wrote: Is there now a non-email method of posting to this list? Google == comp.lang.python == python-list == gmane.comp.python.general where == is a bi-directional

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-04 Thread John Bokma
Alf P. Steinbach al...@start.no writes: * John Bokma, on 04.06.2010 20:19: Steven D'Apranost...@remove-this-cybersource.com.au writes: But the really sad thing is that you think that bigger automatically equals better. I don't think that was the point. Anyway, not everbody can pick a

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-04 Thread John Bokma
Lie Ryan lie.1...@gmail.com writes: On 06/04/10 11:56, John Bokma wrote: Phlip phlip2...@gmail.com writes: On Jun 3, 3:20 pm, geremy condra debat...@gmail.com wrote: You mean like how I never get answers, to my super-easy GED-level questions, here??! I agree. This proves conclusively

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-04 Thread John Bokma
Lie Ryan lie.1...@gmail.com writes: On 06/05/10 04:19, John Bokma wrote: Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-cybersource.com.au writes: But the really sad thing is that you think that bigger automatically equals better. I don't think that was the point. Anyway, not everbody can pick a

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-04 Thread geremy condra
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 1:55 PM, John Bokma j...@castleamber.com wrote: I know of the use of Lena. And to be honest, I agree with Playboy that they have the copyright. Some of the articles published on image processing end up behind a paywall or in a book. And I don't think the authors will be

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-04 Thread John Bokma
geremy condra debat...@gmail.com writes: On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 1:55 PM, John Bokma j...@castleamber.com wrote: I know of the use of Lena. And to be honest, I agree with Playboy that they have the copyright. Some of the articles published on image processing end up behind a paywall or in a

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-04 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-06-04, John Bokma j...@castleamber.com wrote: Lie Ryan lie.1...@gmail.com writes: On 06/05/10 04:19, John Bokma wrote: Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-cybersource.com.au writes: But the really sad thing is that you think that bigger automatically equals better. I don't think

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-04 Thread Terry Reedy
On 6/4/2010 3:04 PM, Emile van Sebille wrote: On 6/4/2010 11:27 AM Terry Reedy said... On 6/4/2010 12:28 PM, Emile van Sebille wrote: Is there now a non-email method of posting to this list? Google == comp.lang.python == python-list == gmane.comp.python.general where == is a bi-directional

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-04 Thread Lie Ryan
On 06/05/10 06:57, John Bokma wrote: Lie Ryan lie.1...@gmail.com writes: On 06/04/10 11:56, John Bokma wrote: Phlip phlip2...@gmail.com writes: On Jun 3, 3:20 pm, geremy condra debat...@gmail.com wrote: You mean like how I never get answers, to my super-easy GED-level questions, here??!

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-04 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Fri, 04 Jun 2010 08:56:34 -0500, Jim Byrnes wrote: I thought his point was they are big enough to have the resources to offer newsgroups but don't. If I want fast internet I must use Comcast and Comcast doesn't offer newsgroups either. Sadly is seems getting access to newsgroups is

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-04 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Sat, 05 Jun 2010 05:22:21 +1000, Lie Ryan wrote: Probably. A vote up/down feature tend to highlight popular problems, but it also buries less popular problems that might have perfectly good answers. I think Google Groups have 5-star-rating system? You might want to check on that. I don't

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-04 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Fri, 04 Jun 2010 02:29:58 -0400, D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote: On 04 Jun 2010 05:41:17 GMT Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-cybersource.com.au wrote: Sure, a lot of those 1,800 posts are spam, but the spammers wouldn't waste their time if they didn't think there were people still on Usenet.

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-04 Thread John Bokma
Grant Edwards inva...@invalid.invalid writes: On 2010-06-04, John Bokma j...@castleamber.com wrote: Lie Ryan lie.1...@gmail.com writes: On 06/05/10 04:19, John Bokma wrote: Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-cybersource.com.au writes: But the really sad thing is that you think that bigger

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-04 Thread John Bokma
Lie Ryan lie.1...@gmail.com writes: If you look at Stack Overflow, the highest voted questions are: - Hidden Features of C#? - What is the single most influential book every programmer should read? - What's your favorite programmer cartoon? - What is your best programmer joke? ... and so

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-04 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Fri, 04 Jun 2010 15:55:08 -0500, John Bokma wrote: Alf P. Steinbach al...@start.no writes: [...] It started, as I see it, back in the early 90's with Playboy attempting to sue anyone who used the Lena picture in photo processing tests etc. (it's the standard image for that). They failed in

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-04 Thread John Bokma
Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-cybersource.com.au writes: On Fri, 04 Jun 2010 08:56:34 -0500, Jim Byrnes wrote: I thought his point was they are big enough to have the resources to offer newsgroups but don't. If I want fast internet I must use Comcast and Comcast doesn't offer newsgroups

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-03 Thread News123
pyDev wrote: Hello, I would like to let the community know that there is a new web-based forum for Python enthusiasts over at PythonForum.org (http:// pythonforum.org). Web-based forums is a preferred method by Python newcomers to get help in exploring the world of Python and programming

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-03 Thread Ben Finney
News123 news1...@free.fr writes: However, whether we like it or not: Fewer and fewer newcomers are willing, knowledgable, aware of nntp If so, isn't that an indication that better education about the benefits is required? Perhaps in combination with improving the tool support for the NNTP

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-03 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 09:52 +0200, News123 wrote: I would like to let the community know that there is a new web-based forum for Python enthusiasts over at PythonForum.org (http:// pythonforum.org). Web-based forums is a preferred method by Python newcomers to get help in exploring the

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-03 Thread Pierre Quentel
On 3 juin, 10:57, Ben Finney ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au wrote: News123 news1...@free.fr writes: However, whether we like it or not: Fewer and fewer newcomers are willing, knowledgable, aware of nntp If so, isn't that an indication that better education about the benefits is required?

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-03 Thread Martin P. Hellwig
On 06/03/10 11:16, Pierre Quentel wrote: cut I'm not saying that pythonforum.org is the best solution but it certainly looks more attractive than c.l.p. to the new generation of Python users - Pierre On the other hand it might not be so bad that you don't get questions from users here who

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-03 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 03:16 -0700, Pierre Quentel wrote: I agree that it's not efficient to split the community by creating another forum. But we can't ignore the fact that c.l.p's activity has been decreasing in the last years : 200042971 200155265 200256774 200364521 2004

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-03 Thread Ben Finney
Adam Tauno Williams awill...@whitemice.org writes: So? NNTP is the living dead. Time to let it go. The capabilities of NNTP clients are much better than email for tracking threaded discussions in multiple forums. I'll let it go when something better comes along, and not before. Most people

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-03 Thread Paul Rudin
Adam Tauno Williams awill...@whitemice.org writes: Most people use this list via e-mail... Do you know this to be the case, or is that a guess? -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-03 Thread Michele Simionato
On Jun 3, 12:28 pm, Martin P. Hellwig martin.hell...@dcuktec.org wrote: On the other hand it might not be so bad that you don't get questions from users here who are unable to use a nntp reader or news to mail service. I am unable to use a nntp reader or news to mail service. I use the Google

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-03 Thread Paul Rudin
Michele Simionato michele.simion...@gmail.com writes: On Jun 3, 12:28 pm, Martin P. Hellwig martin.hell...@dcuktec.org wrote: On the other hand it might not be so bad that you don't get questions from users here who are unable to use a nntp reader or news to mail service. I am unable to use

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-03 Thread Martin P. Hellwig
On 06/03/10 12:46, Michele Simionato wrote: On Jun 3, 12:28 pm, Martin P. Hellwigmartin.hell...@dcuktec.org wrote: On the other hand it might not be so bad that you don't get questions from users here who are unable to use a nntp reader or news to mail service. I am unable to use a nntp

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-03 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 12:35 +0100, Paul Rudin wrote: Adam Tauno Williams awill...@whitemice.org writes: Most people use this list via e-mail... Do you know this to be the case, or is that a guess? Scan through a bunch of threads with show-headers. Watch the User-Agent value (set by the

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-03 Thread Tim Chase
On 06/03/2010 07:16 AM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: Most people use this list via e-mail... Do you know this to be the case, or is that a guess? Scan through a bunch of threads with show-headers. Watch the User-Agent value (set by the senders client). The results become obvious pretty

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-03 Thread Paul Rudin
Adam Tauno Williams awill...@whitemice.org writes: On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 12:35 +0100, Paul Rudin wrote: Adam Tauno Williams awill...@whitemice.org writes: Most people use this list via e-mail... Do you know this to be the case, or is that a guess? Scan through a bunch of threads with

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-03 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 13:42 +0100, Paul Rudin wrote: Adam Tauno Williams awill...@whitemice.org writes: On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 12:35 +0100, Paul Rudin wrote: Adam Tauno Williams awill...@whitemice.org writes: Most people use this list via e-mail... Do you know this to be the case, or is

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-03 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-06-03, News123 news1...@free.fr wrote: pyDev wrote: Hello, I would like to let the community know that there is a new web-based forum for Python enthusiasts over at PythonForum.org (http:// pythonforum.org). Web-based forums is a preferred method by Python newcomers to get help in

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-03 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-06-03, Martin P. Hellwig martin.hell...@dcuktec.org wrote: On 06/03/10 12:46, Michele Simionato wrote: On Jun 3, 12:28 pm, Martin P. Hellwigmartin.hell...@dcuktec.org wrote: On the other hand it might not be so bad that you don't get questions from users here who are unable to use a

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-03 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-06-03, Adam Tauno Williams awill...@whitemice.org wrote: On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 13:42 +0100, Paul Rudin wrote: Adam Tauno Williams awill...@whitemice.org writes: On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 12:35 +0100, Paul Rudin wrote: Adam Tauno Williams awill...@whitemice.org writes: Most people use

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-03 Thread Andreas Waldenburger
On Thu, 3 Jun 2010 03:16:03 -0700 (PDT) Pierre Quentel quentel.pie...@wanadoo.fr wrote: So the OP's initiative should be an incentive to think on the format of the interaction between all the range of Python users, from newbees to gurus. We are in the 2.0 era, with social networks all over the

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-03 Thread Lie Ryan
On 06/03/10 22:50, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 13:42 +0100, Paul Rudin wrote: Adam Tauno Williams awill...@whitemice.org writes: On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 12:35 +0100, Paul Rudin wrote: Adam Tauno Williams awill...@whitemice.org writes: Most people use this list via e-mail...

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-03 Thread Colin J. Williams
On 03-Jun-10 09:08 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2010-06-03, News123news1...@free.fr wrote: pyDev wrote: Hello, I would like to let the community know that there is a new web-based forum for Python enthusiasts over at PythonForum.org (http:// pythonforum.org). Web-based forums is a preferred

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-03 Thread Colin J. Williams
On 03-Jun-10 09:08 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2010-06-03, News123news1...@free.fr wrote: pyDev wrote: Hello, I would like to let the community know that there is a new web-based forum for Python enthusiasts over at PythonForum.org (http:// pythonforum.org). Web-based forums is a preferred

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-03 Thread Ben Finney
Andreas Waldenburger use...@geekmail.invalid writes: But consolidation is the *only* way to go, really. The parallelism between c.l.p. and python-list is great already. Now throw some sort of Forum in the mix This already *is* a forum. Whatever it is you think is needed, it's already a forum.

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-03 Thread Monte Milanuk
Adam Tauno Williams awilliam at whitemice.org writes: However, whether we like it or not: Fewer and fewer newcomers are willing, knowledgable, aware of nntp So? NNTP is the living dead. Time to let it go. True. Decent NNTP access is harder to find. Not impossible, but no longer a

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-03 Thread Phlip
On Jun 2, 3:18 am, Adam Tauno Williams awill...@whitemice.org wrote: +1 Yuck; no better way to make new users hate your product than have a web forum - where they post questions Free of all the spam that leaks into here from the remnants of USENET!! and never get answers... You mean

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-03 Thread geremy condra
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Phlip phlip2...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 2, 3:18 am, Adam Tauno Williams awill...@whitemice.org wrote: +1 Yuck; no better way to make new users hate your product than have a web forum - where they post questions Free of all the spam that leaks into here

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-03 Thread Phlip
On Jun 3, 3:20 pm, geremy condra debat...@gmail.com wrote: You mean like how I never get answers, to my super-easy GED-level questions, here??! I agree. This proves conclusively that a web forum is the right place for you. Ah, so you feel up to my xsl for xmlrunner.py question? --

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-03 Thread geremy condra
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Phlip phlip2...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 3, 3:20 pm, geremy condra debat...@gmail.com wrote: You mean like how I never get answers, to my super-easy GED-level questions, here??! I agree. This proves conclusively that a web forum is the right place for you.

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-03 Thread Phlip
On Jun 3, 3:58 pm, geremy condra debat...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Phlip phlip2...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 3, 3:20 pm, geremy condra debat...@gmail.com wrote: You mean like how I never get answers, to my super-easy GED-level questions, here??! I agree. This

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-03 Thread geremy condra
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Phlip phlip2...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 3, 3:58 pm, geremy condra debat...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Phlip phlip2...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 3, 3:20 pm, geremy condra debat...@gmail.com wrote: You mean like how I never get answers, to

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-03 Thread Ben Finney
Dennis Lee Bieber wlfr...@ix.netcom.com writes: I'm tempted to offer up that a lot of things that may once have been covered in this general group have been migrated to specific mailing lists (which are too many for me to consider subscribing just to do one or two posts)... Which is also

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-03 Thread John Bokma
Phlip phlip2...@gmail.com writes: On Jun 3, 3:20 pm, geremy condra debat...@gmail.com wrote: You mean like how I never get answers, to my super-easy GED-level questions, here??! I agree. This proves conclusively that a web forum is the right place for you. Ah, so you feel up to my xsl

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-03 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Thu, 03 Jun 2010 15:43:58 +, Monte Milanuk wrote: Decent NNTP access is harder to find. Not impossible, but no longer a 'free' part of most standard ISP access any more. I disagree. Since I've been on the Internet, over a decade now (what can I say? I was a slow starter), I've had

Re: Python Forum

2010-06-03 Thread Chris Rebert
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 9:54 PM, Steven D'Aprano st...@remove-this-cybersource.com.au wrote: On Thu, 03 Jun 2010 15:43:58 +, Monte Milanuk wrote: Decent NNTP access is harder to find.  Not impossible, but no longer a 'free' part of most standard ISP access any more. I disagree. Since I've

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