How may I learn Python Web Frameworks

2015-07-24 Thread subhabrata . banerji
Dear Group, I am slightly new in Python Web Frameworks. I could learn bit of Django, Flask and Bottle. But I am looking for a good web based tutorial like Python or NLTK. Somehow, I did not find documentations for web frameworks are very good, one has to do lot of experiments even to learn

Re: How may I learn Python Web Frameworks

2015-07-24 Thread Laura Creighton
web2py http://www.web2py.com/ has extensive tutorials, videos, and a book. Laura -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: How may I learn Python Web Frameworks

2015-07-24 Thread Nonami Animashaun
The official Django docs is pretty detailed https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.8/ You could also look at the Django book but it confesses to being written for version 1.4 even though it goes ahead to assure us that it's not outdated https://django-book.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ --

Re: How may I learn Python Web Frameworks

2015-07-24 Thread darnold via Python-list
you'll find a very extensive Flask tutorial at http://blog.miguelgrinberg.com/post/the-flask-mega-tutorial-part-i-hello-world . -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Python Web Frameworks PEP8 Consistency

2012-10-18 Thread Andriy Kornatskyy
The code is read much more often than it is written. The PEP8 guidelines are intended to improve the readability of code. We will take a look at web frameworks source code readability (bottle, cherrypy, circuits, django, flask, pyramid, tornado, web.py, web2py and wheezy.web):

Re: How to select Python web frameworks and which one is the best framework ?

2011-05-19 Thread Kushal Kumaran
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 9:23 AM, VGNU Linux vgnuli...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 1:20 PM, VGNU Linux vgnuli...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I am confused on which web framework to select for developing a small data driven web application. Application will have features generally

Re: How to select Python web frameworks and which one is the best framework ?

2011-05-18 Thread VGNU Linux
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 1:20 PM, VGNU Linux vgnuli...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I am confused on which web framework to select for developing a small data driven web application. Application will have features generally found in now-a-days web application like security, database connectivity,

How to select Python web frameworks and which one is the best framework ?

2011-05-17 Thread VGNU Linux
Hi all, I am confused on which web framework to select for developing a small data driven web application. Application will have features generally found in now-a-days web application like security, database connectivity, authentication etc. I found few web frameworks over the net like django,

Re: Yet another comparison of Python Web Frameworks

2007-12-15 Thread Benoit
Gluon was made at my school? I seriously gotta start talking to the CTI department. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python web frameworks

2007-11-29 Thread Aaron Watters
On Nov 22, 11:22 pm, SamFeltus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps we need a pythonic FRONTEND. Should have happened years ago. It did. Mark Hammond embedded Python under MSIE about the same time javascript and java applets came along (94, maybe?) It didn't fly because of political and

Re: Python web frameworks

2007-11-29 Thread TYR
On Nov 29, 3:15 pm, Aaron Watters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 22, 11:22 pm, SamFeltus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps we need a pythonic FRONTEND. Should have happened years ago. It did. Mark Hammond embedded Python under MSIE about the same time javascript and java applets came

Re: Python web frameworks

2007-11-25 Thread Jan Claeys
Op Fri, 23 Nov 2007 09:29:38 -0800, schreef BartlebyScrivener: I'm just learning Django and feeling my way through all of this server terminology. Where does Django's memcached feature fit into all of this? When you all speak of start up costs and memory intensive loading for each requests,

Re: Python web frameworks

2007-11-23 Thread BartlebyScrivener
I'm just learning Django and feeling my way through all of this server terminology. Where does Django's memcached feature fit into all of this? When you all speak of start up costs and memory intensive loading for each requests, doesn't the caching feature eliminate most of that overhead?

Re: Python web frameworks

2007-11-23 Thread joe jacob
On Nov 21, 10:27 pm, Steven Bethard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeff wrote: On Nov 21, 6:25 am, Bruno Desthuilliers bruno. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: joe jacob a écrit : (snip) Thanks everyone for the response. From the posts I understand that Django and pylons are the best. By searching

Re: Python web frameworks

2007-11-22 Thread Istvan Albert
On Nov 21, 12:15 am, Graham Dumpleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would say that that is now debatable. Overall mod_wsgi is probably a better package in terms of what it has to offer. Only thing against mod_wsgi at this point is peoples willingness to accept something that is new in

Re: Python web frameworks

2007-11-22 Thread Ian Bicking
On Nov 20, 7:55 am, Joe Riopel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 20, 2007 8:46 AM, BartlebyScrivener [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Django comes with its own little server so that you don't have to set up Apache on your desktop to play with it. Pylons too, it's good for development but using the

Re: Python web frameworks

2007-11-22 Thread Graham Dumpleton
On Nov 23, 4:00 am, Istvan Albert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 21, 12:15 am, Graham Dumpleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would say that that is now debatable. Overall mod_wsgi is probably a better package in terms of what it has to offer. Only thing against mod_wsgi at this point is

Re: Python web frameworks

2007-11-22 Thread TYR
Perhaps we need a pythonic FRONTEND. If you're meant to be able to run java code in a browser vm; and flash; and javascript...why not a reduced version of python? I'm thinking a sandboxed interpreter, perhaps based on EmbeddedPython, and a restricted set of classes; core logic, string and maths,

Re: Python web frameworks

2007-11-22 Thread SamFeltus
Perhaps we need a pythonic FRONTEND. Should have happened years ago. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python web frameworks

2007-11-22 Thread Ian Bicking
On Nov 22, 11:00 am, Istvan Albert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 21, 12:15 am, Graham Dumpleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would say that that is now debatable. Overall mod_wsgi is probably a better package in terms of what it has to offer. Only thing against mod_wsgi at this point is

Re: Python web frameworks

2007-11-21 Thread joe jacob
On Nov 21, 10:15 am, Graham Dumpleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 21, 1:37 pm, BartlebyScrivener [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 20, 3:39 pm, Graham Dumpleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This only holds if actually hosted on Apache. As Django these days supports WSGI interface

Re: Python web frameworks

2007-11-21 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
joe jacob a écrit : (snip) Thanks everyone for the response. From the posts I understand that Django and pylons are the best. By searching the net earlier I got the same information that Django is best among the frameworks so I downloaded it and I found it very difficult to configure. ???

RE: Python web frameworks

2007-11-21 Thread Sells, Fred
-snip-- Thanks everyone for the response. From the posts I understand that Django and pylons are the best. By searching the net earlier I got the same information that Django is best among the frameworks so I downloaded it and I found it very difficult to configure. I referred the

Re: Python web frameworks

2007-11-21 Thread Jeff
On Nov 21, 6:25 am, Bruno Desthuilliers bruno. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: joe jacob a écrit : (snip) Thanks everyone for the response. From the posts I understand that Django and pylons are the best. By searching the net earlier I got the same information that Django is best among the

Re: Python web frameworks

2007-11-21 Thread Joe Riopel
On Nov 21, 2007 5:42 AM, joe jacob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks everyone for the response. From the posts I understand that Django and pylons are the best. By searching the net earlier I got the same information that Django is best among the frameworks so I downloaded it and I found it very

RE: Python web frameworks + adobe flex

2007-11-21 Thread Sells, Fred
slight shift of topic here. I'm a newbie at standard web stuff. Mostly java webstart and a little mod_python. I experimented with Adobe Flex and really loved it for doing the front end. The backend needs to provide xml, json or AMF (an adobe proprietary binary format). For prototyping, I

Re: Python web frameworks + adobe flex

2007-11-21 Thread SamFeltus
I never used the Django AMF, I use JSON to go between Python and Flex. It works well, but lacks easy 2 way communication of course. Interfacing with Flex is a gaping hole in the Python libraries. Python needs a web framework that embraces Flex from the ground up, HTML being such a limited web

Re: Python web frameworks

2007-11-21 Thread BartlebyScrivener
On Nov 21, 4:42 am, joe jacob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Django is best among the frameworks so I downloaded it and I found it very difficult to configure. I referred the djangobook. It's not a turnkey type thing like WordPress or Joomla. It's a webframework. Also watch versions. The book

Re: Python web frameworks

2007-11-21 Thread Steven Bethard
Jeff wrote: On Nov 21, 6:25 am, Bruno Desthuilliers bruno. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: joe jacob a écrit : (snip) Thanks everyone for the response. From the posts I understand that Django and pylons are the best. By searching the net earlier I got the same information that Django is best

Python web frameworks

2007-11-20 Thread joe jacob
There are a lot of web frameworks for python like django, mod_python, spyce, turbo gears, Zope, Cherrypy etc. Which one is the best in terms of performance and ease of study. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python web frameworks

2007-11-20 Thread Jeff
The only one that I have used extensively is Django, which is very easy to use and quite powerful in the arena for which it was created. It has a powerful admin interface that automatically generates data entry forms for content producers and a decent template system. It has some definite

Re: Python web frameworks

2007-11-20 Thread Joe Riopel
On Nov 20, 2007 7:19 AM, joe jacob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are a lot of web frameworks for python like django, mod_python, spyce, turbo gears, Zope, Cherrypy etc. Which one is the best in terms of performance and ease of study. I wouldn't classify mod_python as a web framework:

Re: Python web frameworks

2007-11-20 Thread Joe Riopel
On Nov 20, 2007 8:46 AM, BartlebyScrivener [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Django comes with its own little server so that you don't have to set up Apache on your desktop to play with it. Pylons too, it's good for development but using the bundled web server is not recommended for production. --

Re: Python web frameworks

2007-11-20 Thread BartlebyScrivener
On Nov 20, 6:19 am, joe jacob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are a lot of web frameworks for python like django, mod_python, spyce, turbo gears, Zope, Cherrypy etc. Which one is the best in terms of performance and ease of study. I'm looking at django mainly. I hope the veterans jump in with

Re: Python web frameworks

2007-11-20 Thread Bernard
On 20 nov, 07:19, joe jacob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are a lot of web frameworks for python like django, mod_python, spyce, turbo gears, Zope, Cherrypy etc. Which one is the best in terms of performance and ease of study. I'm making web apps with CherryPy at work and it's quite good. the

Re: Python web frameworks

2007-11-20 Thread Diez B. Roggisch
12/7. Django comes with its own little server so that you don't have to set up Apache on your desktop to play with it. I was rather shocked to learn that django only has this tiny server and does not come with a stand-alone server and is supposed to run as mod_python/cgi-driven app through

Re: Python web frameworks

2007-11-20 Thread Thomas Wittek
Jeff: I don't know much about the others. Turbo gears uses Mochikit, which hasn't had a new stable release in some time. I prefer jQuery myself. You can use jQuery with TurboGears if you develop custom widgets (I do so). No problem here. -- Thomas Wittek Web: http://gedankenkonstrukt.de/

Re: Python web frameworks

2007-11-20 Thread Frank Miles
On Tue, 20 Nov 2007, joe jacob wrote: There are a lot of web frameworks for python like django, mod_python, spyce, turbo gears, Zope, Cherrypy etc. Which one is the best in terms of performance and ease of study. Personally I found zope/plone to be very much its own enormously complex world.

Re: Python web frameworks

2007-11-20 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
joe jacob a écrit : There are a lot of web frameworks for python like django, mod_python, spyce, turbo gears, Zope, Cherrypy etc. Which one is the best in terms of performance and ease of study. As far as I'm concerned, the winners are Django and Pylons (my own preference going to Pylons). --

Re: Python web frameworks

2007-11-20 Thread Paul Boddie
and is supposed to run as mod_python/cgi-driven app through apache. The standalone server aspect of a large number of Python Web frameworks typically involves BaseHTTPServer from the standard library, as far as I've seen, excluding things like Twisted which aspire to offer production quality

Re: Python web frameworks

2007-11-20 Thread Istvan Albert
On Nov 20, 9:42 am, Diez B. Roggisch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 12/7. Django comes with its own little server so that you don't have to set up Apache on your desktop to play with it. I was rather shocked to learn that django only has this tiny server and does not come with a stand-alone

Re: Python web frameworks

2007-11-20 Thread Jeff
On Nov 20, 10:00 am, Thomas Wittek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeff: I don't know much about the others. Turbo gears uses Mochikit, which hasn't had a new stable release in some time. I prefer jQuery myself. You can use jQuery with TurboGears if you develop custom widgets (I do so). No

Re: Python web frameworks

2007-11-20 Thread Graham Dumpleton
On Nov 21, 2:33 am, Istvan Albert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 20, 9:42 am, Diez B. Roggisch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 12/7. Django comes with its own little server so that you don't have to set up Apache on your desktop to play with it. I was rather shocked to learn that django only

Re: Python web frameworks

2007-11-20 Thread BartlebyScrivener
On Nov 20, 3:39 pm, Graham Dumpleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This only holds if actually hosted on Apache. As Django these days supports WSGI interface there is nothing to stop it being run with other hosting solutions that support WSGI. So, you could host it under paster or CherryPy WSGI

Re: Python web frameworks

2007-11-20 Thread Graham Dumpleton
On Nov 21, 1:37 pm, BartlebyScrivener [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 20, 3:39 pm, Graham Dumpleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This only holds if actually hosted on Apache. As Django these days supports WSGI interface there is nothing to stop it being run with other hosting solutions that

Re: Yet another comparison of Python Web Frameworks

2007-10-29 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
johnbraduk a écrit : Thomas, Like many others I have been going round the same loop for months. I have struggled with most of the Python solutions, including TurboGears and have given up and gone back to ColdFusion. I am not trying to kick of a religious war about the pros and cons of

Re: Yet another comparison of Python Web Frameworks

2007-10-27 Thread johnbraduk
Thomas, Like many others I have been going round the same loop for months. I have struggled with most of the Python solutions, including TurboGears and have given up and gone back to ColdFusion. I am not trying to kick of a religious war about the pros and cons of ColdFusion as a scripting

Re: Yet another comparison of Python Web Frameworks

2007-10-16 Thread Massimo Di Pierro
I have posted a new version of Gluon and some slides. I am hoping to have a draft manual soon. I believe I have fixed all of the issues that have been addressed but, if not, please let me know. Massimo Did you try gluon? http://mdp.cti.depaul.edu/examples On Oct 13, 2007, at 12:17 AM, Kay

Re: Paste and WSGI 2.0 [WAS: Yet another comparison of Python Web Frameworks]

2007-10-15 Thread Ian Bicking
On Oct 14, 3:46 am, Michele Simionato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we do agree entirely, it is just that the application we have in mind is more a collection of web services than a traditional Web application. Now, since you are here, there is an unrelated question that I want to ask

Paste and WSGI 2.0 [WAS: Yet another comparison of Python Web Frameworks]

2007-10-14 Thread Michele Simionato
On Oct 14, 2:52 am, Ian Bicking [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That said, going without a framework (which at least in his article is what Michele seems to be comparing Pylons against) isn't always so bad. I started writing an Atompub server in Pylons, but felt like I was spending too much time

Re: Paste and WSGI 2.0 [WAS: Yet another comparison of Python Web Frameworks]

2007-10-14 Thread Graham Dumpleton
On Oct 14, 6:46 pm, Michele Simionato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, since you are here, there is an unrelated question that I want to ask you, concerning the future of Paste with respect to WSGI 2.0. I do realize that at this stage WSGI 2.0, is only a draft Hmmm, not sure where people keep

Re: Yet another comparison of Python Web Frameworks

2007-10-13 Thread Daniel Fetchinson
Hello everybody, I just joined this mailing list. Thanks for your comments about gluon. I have posted a short video about it and I am planning to make more over the week-end. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBjja6N6IYk About some of your comments: - the most complex modules (like html

Re: Yet another comparison of Python Web Frameworks

2007-10-13 Thread Massimo Di Pierro
Hi Daniel, in many respects Gluon is similar to Django and was greatly inspired by Django. Some differences are: Gluon is easier to install - you never need to use the shell, there are no configuration files. Gluon is a web app. You can do all development via a web interface. You can

Re: Yet another comparison of Python Web Frameworks

2007-10-13 Thread Massimo Di Pierro
... I almost forgot ... another difference between Gluon and Django,TG is that in Gluon if you write controllers without view you automatically get generic view that render and BEAUTIFY() the variables returned by the controllers. That means you can develop the logic of your application

Re: Yet another comparison of Python Web Frameworks

2007-10-13 Thread Daniel Fetchinson
... I almost forgot ... another difference between Gluon and Django,TG is that in Gluon if you write controllers without view you automatically get generic view that render and BEAUTIFY() the variables returned by the controllers. That means you can develop the logic of your application

Re: Yet another comparison of Python Web Frameworks

2007-10-13 Thread Ian Bicking
On Oct 6, 8:29 am, Michele Simionato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you (or something else) have something to say about Beaker? I looked at the source code and it seems fine to me, but I have not used it directly, not stressed it. I need a production-level WSGI session middleware and I wonder

Re: Yet another comparison of Python Web Frameworks

2007-10-13 Thread Ian Bicking
On Oct 6, 8:13 am, Bruno Desthuilliers bruno. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well... Last year, I had a look at Pylons, then played a bit with wsgi and building my own framework over it. I finally dropped that code and went back to Pylons, which I felt could become far better than my own efforts.

Yet another comparison of Python Web Frameworks

2007-10-12 Thread Massimo Di Pierro
Hello everybody, I just joined this mailing list. Thanks for your comments about gluon. I have posted a short video about it and I am planning to make more over the week-end. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBjja6N6IYk About some of your comments: - the most complex modules (like html and sql

Re: Yet another comparison of Python Web Frameworks

2007-10-12 Thread Fernando Perez
Massimo Di Pierro wrote: P.S. Michele Simionato. I have heard your name before? Is it possible we have met in Pisa in 1990-1996? I am also a Quantum Field Theorist and there is not many of us. More than you think, it seems. Some of us were even using python to process Lattice QCD

Re: Yet another comparison of Python Web Frameworks

2007-10-12 Thread Massimo Di Pierro
happy to hear that. you may want take a loot at http://mdp.cti.depaul.edu/vqcd It is mostly python stuff and will post the code soon. Massimo On Oct 12, 2007, at 10:47 PM, Fernando Perez wrote: Massimo Di Pierro wrote: P.S. Michele Simionato. I have heard your name before? Is it possible we

Re: Yet another comparison of Python Web Frameworks

2007-10-12 Thread Fernando Perez
Massimo Di Pierro wrote: happy to hear that. you may want take a loot at http://mdp.cti.depaul.edu/vqcd It is mostly python stuff and will post the code soon. Ah, memories :) I'm not working on QCD anymore, but I did write a bunch of code a while back to script Mayavi (the old one, not the

Re: Yet another comparison of Python Web Frameworks

2007-10-12 Thread Michele Simionato
On Oct 12, 10:23 pm, Massimo Di Pierro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: P.S. Michele Simionato. I have heard your name before? Is it possible we have met in Pisa in 1990-1996? I am also a Quantum Field Theorist and there is not many of us. That is definitely possible, even if I don't remember your

Re: Yet another comparison of Python Web Frameworks

2007-10-12 Thread Kay Schluehr
On Oct 13, 4:23 am, Massimo Di Pierro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everybody, I just joined this mailing list. Thanks for your comments about gluon. I have posted a short video about it and I am planning to make more over the week-end. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBjja6N6IYk About

Re: Yet another comparison of Python Web Frameworks

2007-10-10 Thread Michele Simionato
On Oct 10, 5:57 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since you are starting a new project you may want to look into something new and different http://mdp.cti.depaul.edu/examples Well, the name is certainly appealing to an old gauge field theorist like myself ;) Michele Simionato --

Re: Yet another comparison of Python Web Frameworks

2007-10-10 Thread GHUM
Michele, At work we are shopping for a Web framework, so I have been looking at the available options on the current market. just because you were involved in creating an own version of Python does NOT free you from the social obligation to create your own Python web framework. So stop

Re: Yet another comparison of Python Web Frameworks

2007-10-10 Thread Istvan Albert
On Oct 9, 11:57 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since you are starting a new project you may want to look into something new and different http://mdp.cti.depaul.edu/examples This is actually a neat framework! I'm a somewhat of fan of web- frameworks and I used most major ones and I like to poke

Re: Yet another comparison of Python Web Frameworks

2007-10-10 Thread Michele Simionato
On Oct 10, 5:57 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since you are starting a new project you may want to look into something new and different http://mdp.cti.depaul.edu/examples Requiring Python 2.5 may not be a good idea for the time being. For instance, I am forced to use Python 2.4 because of

Re: Yet another comparison of Python Web Frameworks

2007-10-10 Thread Kay Schluehr
On Oct 10, 5:57 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since you are starting a new project you may want to look into something new and different http://mdp.cti.depaul.edu/examples The delivered sourcecode is syntactically broken. Tabs and whitespaces were mixed and when I open a file like

Re: Yet another comparison of Python Web Frameworks

2007-10-10 Thread Peter Otten
Kay Schluehr wrote: http://mdp.cti.depaul.edu/examples The delivered sourcecode is syntactically broken. Tabs and whitespaces were mixed and when I open a file like gluon/global.py I find sections like this: class Request(Storage): defines the request object and the default

Re: Yet another comparison of Python Web Frameworks

2007-10-10 Thread Kay Schluehr
On Oct 10, 8:15 pm, Peter Otten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kay Schluehr wrote: http://mdp.cti.depaul.edu/examples The delivered sourcecode is syntactically broken. Tabs and whitespaces were mixed and when I open a file like gluon/global.py I find sections like this: class

Re: Yet another comparison of Python Web Frameworks

2007-10-09 Thread mdipierro
Since you are starting a new project you may want to look into something new and different http://mdp.cti.depaul.edu/examples -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Yet another comparison of Python Web Frameworks

2007-10-07 Thread Michele Simionato
On Oct 6, 12:57 pm, Bruno Desthuilliers Michele Simionato a écrit : I looked at the source code and it seems fine to me, but I have not used it directly, not stressed it. I need a production-level WSGI session middleware and I wonder what the players are (for instance how Beaker does

Re: Yet another comparison of Python Web Frameworks

2007-10-07 Thread genro
On Oct 7, 8:35 am, Michele Simionato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 6, 12:57 pm, Bruno Desthuilliers Michele Simionato a écrit : I looked at the source code and it seems fine to me, but I have not used it directly, not stressed it. I need a production-level WSGI session middleware

Re: Yet another comparison of Python Web Frameworks

2007-10-07 Thread James Matthews
But the question is when will the cheap hosting company's start to host normal python files! On 10/7/07, genro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 7, 8:35 am, Michele Simionato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 6, 12:57 pm, Bruno Desthuilliers Michele Simionato a écrit : I looked at the

Re: Yet another comparison of Python Web Frameworks

2007-10-07 Thread Steve Holden
Lawrence Oluyede wrote: Jorge Godoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is good, since a lot of good things from Pylons will work with TG and a lot of good TG things will remain (and possibly be compatible with Pylons). If you take a better look at the next version, you'll also see that the major

Re: Yet another comparison of Python Web Frameworks

2007-10-07 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
Steve Holden a écrit : Lawrence Oluyede wrote: (snip) We (Michele, myself and our colleagues) have a series of stuff we need to stick to so the choosing of a web framework ain't that easy. Most of the frameworks are a vision of the author of how to do things from scratch but a framework (by

Re: Yet another comparison of Python Web Frameworks

2007-10-07 Thread Michele Simionato
On Oct 7, 8:36 am, Bruno Desthuilliers Indeed. But AFAICT, Lawrence and Michele problems is not to port an existing web application, but to choose a web framework that will play well with their existing *system* (RDBMS, existing apps and libs etc). Which is quite another problem, and may

Re: Yet another comparison of Python Web Frameworks

2007-10-07 Thread Istvan Albert
IMO this is not as much a framework comparison rather than an evaluation of the individual components that make up Pylons. The framework is the sum of all its parts. Programmers should not need to know that that a package named Beaker is used for sessions, Routes for url mapping, PasteDeploy for

Re: Yet another comparison of Python Web Frameworks

2007-10-07 Thread Michele Simionato
On Oct 7, 11:31 am, Istvan Albert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMO this is not as much a framework comparison rather than an evaluation of the individual components that make up Pylons. More in general let's say that I am interested in the evaluation of WSGI-compatible components. The framework

Re: Yet another comparison of Python Web Frameworks

2007-10-07 Thread Istvan Albert
On Oct 7, 12:24 pm, Michele Simionato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here we disagree: I think that a programmer should know what he is using. My point was that they should not *need* to know. Too much information can be detrimental. Where is the session data stored: in memory, files, database

Re: Yet another comparison of Python Web Frameworks

2007-10-07 Thread Michele Simionato
On Oct 7, 6:14 pm, Istvan Albert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 7, 12:24 pm, Michele Simionato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here we disagree: I think that a programmer should know what he is using. My point was that they should not *need* to know. Too much information can be detrimental.

Re: Yet another comparison of Python Web Frameworks

2007-10-07 Thread John Nagle
Michele Simionato wrote: I wait with impatience the time when Web programming will become a solved problem with a standard built-in solution that works. That will probably come from Microsoft. At least for all-Microsoft environments. They're the only player who controls enough of the

Yet another comparison of Python Web Frameworks

2007-10-06 Thread Michele Simionato
At work we are shopping for a Web framework, so I have been looking at the available options on the current market. In particular I have looked at Paste and Pylons and I have written my impressions here: http://www.phyast.pitt.edu/~micheles/python/yet-another-comparison-of-web-frameworks.html I

Re: Yet another comparison of Python Web Frameworks

2007-10-06 Thread Thomas Wittek
Michele Simionato: At work we are shopping for a Web framework, so I have been looking at the available options on the current market. At least, you missed Turbo Gears :) http://turbogears.org/ For me, it feels more integrated than Pylons. -- Thomas Wittek Web: http://gedankenkonstrukt.de/

Re: Yet another comparison of Python Web Frameworks

2007-10-06 Thread Lawrence Oluyede
Thomas Wittek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At least, you missed Turbo Gears :) http://turbogears.org/ For me, it feels more integrated than Pylons. Yeah, so integrated that the next version will be based upon Pylons ;-) ? -- Lawrence, oluyede.org - neropercaso.it It is difficult to get a man to

Re: Yet another comparison of Python Web Frameworks

2007-10-06 Thread Tim Chase
respectable comparison of Python web frameworks should include evaluation of at least Django and TG. Or at least give good reason why the comparison excludes them. Zope is also missing, but I'm not sure Zope qualifies so much as a framework, but as an answer to the question If Emacs were a Python web

Re: Yet another comparison of Python Web Frameworks

2007-10-06 Thread Jorge Godoy
Tim Chase wrote: Any respectable comparison of Python web frameworks should include evaluation of at least Django and TG. Or at least give good reason why the comparison excludes them. When he said that he didn't want anything complex neither anything that used a templating system, I

Re: Yet another comparison of Python Web Frameworks

2007-10-06 Thread Jorge Godoy
Lawrence Oluyede wrote: Thomas Wittek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At least, you missed Turbo Gears :) http://turbogears.org/ For me, it feels more integrated than Pylons. Yeah, so integrated that the next version will be based upon Pylons ;-) ? What is good, since a lot of good things from

Re: Yet another comparison of Python Web Frameworks

2007-10-06 Thread Michele Simionato
On Oct 6, 7:15 am, Jorge Godoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tim Chase wrote: Any respectable comparison of Python web frameworks should include evaluation of at least Django and TG. Or at least give good reason why the comparison excludes them. Mine is not a respectable comparison of Web

Re: Yet another comparison of Python Web Frameworks

2007-10-06 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
Michele Simionato a écrit : At work we are shopping for a Web framework, so I have been looking at the available options on the current market. In particular I have looked at Paste and Pylons and I have written my impressions here:

Re: Yet another comparison of Python Web Frameworks

2007-10-06 Thread Michele Simionato
On Oct 6, 9:13 am, Bruno Desthuilliers bruno. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - talking about routes, you say: I have no Ruby On Rails background, so I don't see the advantages of routes. I don't have any RoR neither, but as far as I'm concerned, one of the big points with routes is url_for(),

Re: Yet another comparison of Python Web Frameworks

2007-10-06 Thread Lawrence Oluyede
Jorge Godoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is good, since a lot of good things from Pylons will work with TG and a lot of good TG things will remain (and possibly be compatible with Pylons). If you take a better look at the next version, you'll also see that the major concern was with WSGI

Re: Yet another comparison of Python Web Frameworks

2007-10-06 Thread Lawrence Oluyede
Tim Chase [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any respectable comparison of Python web frameworks should include evaluation of at least Django and TG. Or at least give good reason why the comparison excludes them. I think you didn't read the foreword of the comparison. That is by no means

Re: Yet another comparison of Python Web Frameworks

2007-10-06 Thread Kay Schluehr
I really, really like Django (and its community and the competence of the developers) and I think it deserves what it has gained and more but we are not here to decide who's the best (there's always no best). +1 QOTW -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Yet another comparison of Python Web Frameworks

2007-10-06 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
Michele Simionato a écrit : On Oct 6, 9:13 am, Bruno Desthuilliers bruno. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - talking about routes, you say: I have no Ruby On Rails background, so I don't see the advantages of routes. I don't have any RoR neither, but as far as I'm concerned, one of the big

Re: Python Web Frameworks

2007-01-18 Thread Ximo Nadal
Shortash wrote: Hi Gurus, I want to build a Python web app but im not sure which one to go for. I prefer something like asp.Net , which would allow me to fully seperate the presentation layer from the logic. Please advise? thanks, Shortash' Hi, Look at

Python Web Frameworks

2007-01-17 Thread Shortash
Hi Gurus, I want to build a Python web app but im not sure which one to go for. I prefer something like asp.Net , which would allow me to fully seperate the presentation layer from the logic. Please advise? thanks, Shortash' -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python Web Frameworks

2007-01-17 Thread Diez B. Roggisch
Shortash wrote: Python Web Frameworks weak google skills you have, young friend. http://wiki.python.org/moin/WebFrameworks Diez -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: Python Web Frameworks

2007-01-17 Thread Andrey Khavryuchenko
Shortash, S == Shortash wrote: S I want to build a Python web app but im not sure which one to go for. I S prefer something like asp.Net , which would allow me to fully seperate S the presentation layer from the logic. Please advise? Django? http://www.djangoproject.com -- Andrey V

Re: Python Web Frameworks

2007-01-17 Thread Bruno Desthuilliers
Shortash a écrit : Hi Gurus, I want to build a Python web app but im not sure which one to go for. I prefer something like asp.Net , which would allow me to fully seperate the presentation layer from the logic. Please advise? Django, Turbogears, Pylons(HQ), web.py, etc, etc, etc... Welcome

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