Re: myths about python 3

2010-02-01 Thread Anssi Saari
Blog writes: > Where did you come up with that information? Almost all of the major > distros ship with 2.6.x - CentOS, OpenSuSe, Ubuntu, Fedora. (Debian > does ship with 2.5, but the next major release "sid' is due out in Q2) I don't see Python 2.6 in my CentOS 5.4 installation. All I see is 2.

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-30 Thread Martin v. Loewis
Christian Heimes wrote: > Blog wrote: >> WTF? Where'd you hear about version 2.8? FRI, 2.7 is and will be THE >> LAST version of the 2.x series - "the" End-Of-Life for Python 2 > > Where do you get your information from? It was discussed repeatedly on python-dev, last time when the release anno

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-30 Thread Blog
On 1/30/2010 10:06 AM, Ben Finney wrote: Blog writes: (Debian does ship with 2.5, but the next major release "sid' is due out in Q2) Sid is the perpetual development playground (“unstable”), never released as a suite, but a proving ground for packages to determine their fitness for going to

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-30 Thread Blog
On 1/30/2010 11:47 PM, Christian Heimes wrote: Blog wrote: WTF? Where'd you hear about version 2.8? FRI, 2.7 is and will be THE LAST version of the 2.x series - "the" End-Of-Life for Python 2 Where do you get your information from? Your answer is the first that clearly marks the end of lifetim

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-30 Thread Christian Heimes
Blog wrote: > WTF? Where'd you hear about version 2.8? FRI, 2.7 is and will be THE > LAST version of the 2.x series - "the" End-Of-Life for Python 2 Where do you get your information from? Your answer is the first that clearly marks the end of lifetime for the 2.x series. I didn't know that and I

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-30 Thread Kevin Walzer
On 1/30/10 11:29 AM, Nobody wrote: Arguably, Python 3 has not yet been accepted by the market. Part of it is down to a catch-22: applications won't use Python 3 if the libraries on which they depend don't support it, and support for Python 3 by libraries will be influenced by the perceived dema

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-30 Thread Nobody
On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:56:10 -0800, John Nagle wrote: > Arguably, Python 3 has been rejected by the market. Arguably, Python 3 has not yet been accepted by the market. Part of it is down to a catch-22: applications won't use Python 3 if the libraries on which they depend don't support it, and su

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-29 Thread Ben Finney
Blog writes: > (Debian does ship with 2.5, but the next major release "sid' is due > out in Q2) Sid is the perpetual development playground (“unstable”), never released as a suite, but a proving ground for packages to determine their fitness for going to the next level of testing. The next-to-b

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-29 Thread Blog
On 1/28/2010 8:44 AM, Paul Rubin wrote: Steve Holden writes: Kindly confine your debate to the facts and keep the snide remarks to yourself. Like it or not Python 3 is the future, and unladen swallow's recent announcement that they would target only Python 3 represented a ground-breaking advanc

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-29 Thread Blog
On 1/28/2010 2:56 AM, John Nagle wrote: Daniel Fetchinson wrote: 1. Python 3 is supported by major Linux distributions. FALSE - most distros are shipping with Python 2.4, or 2.5 at best. Where did you come up with that information? Almost all of the major distros ship with 2.6.x - CentOS, Ope

Re: Perl 6 [was Re: myths about python 3]

2010-01-29 Thread Carl Banks
On Jan 28, 9:34 pm, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:21:05 -0800, Tim Roberts wrote: > > Perl 6, on the other hand, is still fantasyware a decade after its > > announcement.  It is, for the most part, THE canonical example of the > > wrong way to conduct a development effort. > > Ou

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-29 Thread Benjamin Kaplan
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Ben Finney wrote: > Duncan Booth writes: > >> Here's what I see in the Ubuntu packages. Python 3 seems only to be in the >> universe repositories so far. >> >> Dapper: Python 2.4.2 >> Hardy: Python 2.5.2 >> Intrepid: Python 2.5.2, 3.0~b3 (universe) >> Jaunty: Pyth

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-29 Thread Ben Finney
Duncan Booth writes: > Here's what I see in the Ubuntu packages. Python 3 seems only to be in the > universe repositories so far. > > Dapper: Python 2.4.2 > Hardy: Python 2.5.2 > Intrepid: Python 2.5.2, 3.0~b3 (universe) > Jaunty: Python 2.6.2, 3.0.1 (universe) > Karmic: Python 2.6.4rc1, 3.1 (un

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-29 Thread Carl Banks
On Jan 29, 12:25 am, "Martin v. Loewis" wrote: > > Well, I'd consider that an official release.  Note that I didn't claim > > there was no hope PSF wouldn't change it's mind on 2.8. > > I'd like to point out that the PSF formally doesn't have any say in > this. Doesn't PSF own the Python trademar

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-29 Thread eric_dex...@msn.com
On Jan 27, 2:56 pm, John Nagle wrote: > Daniel Fetchinson wrote: > > Hi folks, > > > I was going to write this post for a while because all sorts of myths > > periodically come up on this list about python 3. I don't think the > > posters mean to spread false information on purpose, they simply ar

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-29 Thread Benjamin Kaplan
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 8:13 AM, Anssi Saari wrote: > Daniel Fetchinson writes: > >>> 1.  Python 3 is supported by major Linux distributions. >>> >>>      FALSE - most distros are shipping with Python 2.4, or 2.5 at best. >> >> This latter statement is false, Fedora 11 and 12 come with python 2.6

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-29 Thread Duncan Booth
Anssi Saari wrote: > Daniel Fetchinson writes: > >>> 1. Python 3 is supported by major Linux distributions. >>> >>> FALSE - most distros are shipping with Python 2.4, or 2.5 at best. >> >> This latter statement is false, Fedora 11 and 12 come with python 2.6. > > How does your mention of

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-29 Thread Anssi Saari
Daniel Fetchinson writes: >> 1. Python 3 is supported by major Linux distributions. >> >> FALSE - most distros are shipping with Python 2.4, or 2.5 at best. > > This latter statement is false, Fedora 11 and 12 come with python 2.6. How does your mention of one distro counter that claim? Pe

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-29 Thread Anssi Saari
Stefan Behnel writes: > 'Stable Debian' has a long tradition of being late and outdated on arrival. > That doesn't mean you can't use existing Debian packages on it. Yes, but that's beside the point. No released version of Debian ships with Python3 or even 2.6. Oh, and RHEL5 and CentOS5 ship wi

Re: [OT] Perl 6 [was Re: myths about python 3]

2010-01-29 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-01-29, Neil Hodgson wrote: > Looks to me like the problem with Perl 6 was that it was too > ambitious, wanting to fix all perceived problems with the > language. I thought Python was Perl with all the perceived problems fixed. -- Grant -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pytho

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-29 Thread Ben Finney
"Martin v. Loewis" writes: > Not being interested in the PEP process is your choice, of course, but > you shouldn't complain afterwards that your opinion wasn't considered > if you didn't actually voice it appropriately. +1 QOTW -- \“I installed a skylight in my apartment. The people

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-29 Thread Ben Finney
Steven D'Aprano writes: > On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:33:58 +1100, Ben Finney wrote: > > Perhaps Steven could tell you about a lovely Australian meaning for > > the word “date”. > > This is a family list, so perhaps I shouldn't. :) > > In Australia slang, "date" is short for "date hole", which is the

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-29 Thread Martin v. Loewis
> Why do I feel like there's less of an onus on Unladen Swallow to > _actually prove itself in substantial real world usage_ before > integration into CPython than there is on even the smallest of modules > for inclusion in the standard library? Because it's a VM change, not an end-user change. VM

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-29 Thread Martin v. Loewis
> Well, I'd consider that an official release. Note that I didn't claim > there was no hope PSF wouldn't change it's mind on 2.8. I'd like to point out that the PSF formally doesn't have any say in this. Instead, releases are created by the release manager, who gets appointed by Guido van Rossum

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-29 Thread Martin v. Loewis
> Python has had > previous major changes in the past (e.g. 1.5 to 2.0 and 2.1 to 2.2) and > hardly anyone made a complaint. I think this is actually false for the switch from 1.5 to 2.0. People complained a lot, and announced that they won't switch to Python 2 in any foreseeable future, and ind

Re: [OT] Perl 6 [was Re: myths about python 3]

2010-01-28 Thread Neil Hodgson
Looks to me like the problem with Perl 6 was that it was too ambitious, wanting to fix all perceived problems with the language. Python 3 is much more limited in scope: at its core its Python with Unicode fixed and old junk removed. Neil -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-lis

Re: Perl 6 [was Re: myths about python 3]

2010-01-28 Thread alex23
geremy condra wrote: > Steven D'Aprano wrote: > > Out of curiosity, and completely off-topic, why has Perl 6 gone so badly? > > Too much like Perl. I was going to suggest that it's probably due to the multitude of ways to it could be done :) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-li

Re: [OT] Perl 6 [was Re: myths about python 3]

2010-01-28 Thread Chris Rebert
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 9:34 PM, Steven D'Aprano < st...@remove-this-cybersource.com.au> wrote: > On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:21:05 -0800, Tim Roberts wrote: > >> Perl 6, on the other hand, is still fantasyware a decade after its >> announcement. It is, for the most part, THE canonical example of the >

Re: [OT] Perl 6 [was Re: myths about python 3]

2010-01-28 Thread geremy condra
On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 12:34 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:21:05 -0800, Tim Roberts wrote: > >> Perl 6, on the other hand, is still fantasyware a decade after its >> announcement.  It is, for the most part, THE canonical example of the >> wrong way to conduct a development e

[OT] Perl 6 [was Re: myths about python 3]

2010-01-28 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:21:05 -0800, Tim Roberts wrote: > Perl 6, on the other hand, is still fantasyware a decade after its > announcement. It is, for the most part, THE canonical example of the > wrong way to conduct a development effort. Out of curiosity, and completely off-topic, why has Perl

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-28 Thread Tim Roberts
John Nagle wrote: > >Arguably, Python 3 has been rejected by the market. Instead, there's >now Python 2.6, Python 2.7, and Python 2.8. Python 3 has turned into >a debacle like Perl 6, now 10 years old. Although I happen to be one of the folks who are reluctant to switch to Python 3, I have to s

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-28 Thread alex23
Terry Reedy wrote: > This statement was to counter the 'myth' that US was only targeted at > 2.x when the current situation is quite the opposite. Not so much 'myth' as 'outdated information', they were very clear that 2.x was the initial target. > In particular, several people said that the spe

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-28 Thread Steve Holden
Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:33:58 +1100, Ben Finney wrote: > >> Antoine Pitrou writes: >> >>> Le Thu, 28 Jan 2010 00:19:24 +, Steven D'Aprano a écrit : 4. Python 3 will make you irresistible to women. FALSE - Python 3 coders are no more likely to get a d

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-28 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:33:58 +1100, Ben Finney wrote: > Antoine Pitrou writes: > >> Le Thu, 28 Jan 2010 00:19:24 +, Steven D'Aprano a écrit : >> > 4. Python 3 will make you irresistible to women. >> > >> > FALSE - Python 3 coders are no more likely to get a date than any >> > other

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-28 Thread Gib Bogle
Ethan Furman wrote: Steven D'Aprano wrote: 4. Python 3 will make you irresistible to women. FALSE What?!? Drat!!! Guess I'll have to learn Lisp... ;) ~Ethan~ Learn to say this fast, you'll impress the hell out of them: Chaps with chapped lips lisp. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-28 Thread Mensanator
On Jan 28, 11:35 am, Ethan Furman wrote: > Steven D'Aprano wrote: > > 4. Python 3 will make you irresistible to women. > > >     FALSE > > What?!?  Drat!!!  Guess I'll have to learn Lisp...  ;) Irresisible? Ha! The chicks will think you have a harelip. > > ~Ethan~ -- http://mail.python.org/mai

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-28 Thread Ben Finney
Antoine Pitrou writes: > Le Thu, 28 Jan 2010 00:19:24 +, Steven D'Aprano a écrit : > > 4. Python 3 will make you irresistible to women. > > > > FALSE - Python 3 coders are no more likely to get a date than > > any other programmer. > > They spend less time coding, so they /can/ get m

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-28 Thread Ethan Furman
Steven D'Aprano wrote: 4. Python 3 will make you irresistible to women. FALSE What?!? Drat!!! Guess I'll have to learn Lisp... ;) ~Ethan~ -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-28 Thread Terry Reedy
On 1/28/2010 2:51 PM, Steve Holden wrote: Carl Banks wrote: Regardless of how magnaminous the people of PSF are, the unfortunate reality is that trademark owners are forced by the law to be "particularly petty". PSF's IP lawyer will advise not to allow unsanctioned fork of Python 2.7 to call

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-28 Thread Steve Holden
Carl Banks wrote: > On Jan 28, 8:10 am, a...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) wrote: >> In article , >> Neil Hodgson wrote: >> >>> Carl Banks: There is also no hope someone will fork Python 2.x and continue it in perpetuity. Well, someone might try to fork it, but they won't be able to call

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-28 Thread Carl Banks
On Jan 28, 8:10 am, a...@pythoncraft.com (Aahz) wrote: > In article , > Neil Hodgson   wrote: > > >Carl Banks: > > >> There is also no hope someone will fork Python 2.x and continue it in > >> perpetuity.  Well, someone might try to fork it, but they won't be > >> able to call it Python. > > >   Ov

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-28 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:36:29 -0800, alex23 a écrit : > > I've been a big supporter of Py3 from the beginning, but this repeated > claim of US becoming the mainline interpreter for 3.x pretty much kills > dead a lot of my interest. As long as the U-S JIT can be disabled at compile-time (and also a

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-28 Thread Antoine Pitrou
Le Thu, 28 Jan 2010 00:19:24 +, Steven D'Aprano a écrit : > 4. Python 3 will make you irresistible to women. > > FALSE - Python 3 coders are no more likely to get a date than any > other programmer. They spend less time coding, so they /can/ get more "dates" (what a strange English w

RE: myths about python 3

2010-01-28 Thread Dino Viehland
Stefan wrote: > >From an implementors point of view, it's actually quite the opposite. Most > syntax features of Python 3 can be easily implemented on top of an existing > Py2 Implementation (we have most of them in Cython already, and I really > found them fun to write), and the shifting-around in

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-28 Thread Aahz
In article , Neil Hodgson wrote: >Carl Banks: >> >> There is also no hope someone will fork Python 2.x and continue it in >> perpetuity. Well, someone might try to fork it, but they won't be >> able to call it Python. > > Over time there may be more desire from those unable or unwilling to >up

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-28 Thread Aahz
In article , Steven D'Aprano wrote: >On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:25:46 -0500, Benjamin Kaplan wrote: >> >> When Python 2.6 came out, Jython was still on 2.2. The difference >> between 2.2 and 2.6 is almost as big of a difference as between 2.6 and >> 3.0. In that time, you had the introduction of the

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-28 Thread Paul Rubin
Stefan Behnel writes: > The amount of work that the Jython project put into catching up from 2.1 to > 2.5/6 (new style classes! generators!) is really humongous compared to the > adaptations that an implementation needs to do to support Python 3 code. I wonder whether Jython could borrow code fro

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-28 Thread Stefan Behnel
Ben Finney, 27.01.2010 22:50: > Christian Heimes writes: > >> John Nagle wrote: >>> 1. Python 3 is supported by major Linux distributions. >>> >>> FALSE - most distros are shipping with Python 2.4, or 2.5 at best. >> You are wrong. Modern versions of Debian / Ubuntu are using Python >> 2.6. >

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-28 Thread Stefan Behnel
Benjamin Kaplan, 27.01.2010 22:25: > On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 3:56 PM, John Nagle wrote: >> 2. Python 3 is supported by multiple Python implementations. >> >>FALSE - Only CPython supports 3.x. Iron Python, Unladen Swallow, >>PyPy, and Jython have all stayed with 2.x versions of Py

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Terry Reedy
On 1/27/2010 8:36 PM, alex23 wrote: Terry Reedy wrote: Actually, Unladen Swallow is now targeted at 3.1; its developers have conservatively proposed its integration in CPython 3.3. This statement was to counter the 'myth' that US was only targeted at 2.x when the current situation is quite t

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Paul Rubin
Steve Holden writes: > Kindly confine your debate to the facts and keep the snide remarks to > yourself. Like it or not Python 3 is the future, and unladen swallow's > recent announcement that they would target only Python 3 represented a > ground-breaking advance for the language. My take on thi

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Steve Holden
John Nagle wrote: > Daniel Fetchinson wrote: >> Hi folks, >> >> I was going to write this post for a while because all sorts of myths >> periodically come up on this list about python 3. I don't think the >> posters mean to spread false information on purpose, they simply are >> not aware of the fa

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Neil Hodgson
Carl Banks: > There is also no hope someone will fork Python 2.x and continue it in > perpetuity. Well, someone might try to fork it, but they won't be > able to call it Python. Over time there may be more desire from those unable or unwilling to upgrade to 3.x to work on improvements to 2.x,

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Carl Banks
On Jan 27, 5:36 pm, alex23 wrote: > Terry Reedy wrote: > > Actually, Unladen Swallow is now targeted at 3.1; its developers have > > conservatively proposed its integration in CPython 3.3. I would not be > > completely shocked if it happens in 3.2. > > Why do I feel like there's less of an onus o

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:28:08 -0800, Paul Rubin wrote: > Steven D'Aprano writes: >> 6. The code for Python 3 was handed down to Guido from the Heavens, >> carved into stone tablets by the Gods themselves. > > That is heresy. The direction was up, not down. SPLITTER!!! -- Steven -- http://

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread alex23
Terry Reedy wrote: > Actually, Unladen Swallow is now targeted at 3.1; its developers have > conservatively proposed its integration in CPython 3.3. I would not be > completely shocked if it happens in 3.2. Why do I feel like there's less of an onus on Unladen Swallow to _actually prove itself in

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:25:46 -0500, Benjamin Kaplan wrote: > When Python 2.6 came out, Jython was still on 2.2. The difference > between 2.2 and 2.6 is almost as big of a difference as between 2.6 and > 3.0. In that time, you had the introduction of the boolean type, > generators, list comprehensi

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Paul Rubin
Steven D'Aprano writes: > 6. The code for Python 3 was handed down to Guido from the Heavens, > carved into stone tablets by the Gods themselves. That is heresy. The direction was up, not down. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Carl Banks
On Jan 27, 2:19 pm, exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote: > On 10:07 pm, pavlovevide...@gmail.com wrote: > >Last I heard, don't remember where, the plan was for Python 2.7 to be > >the last version in the Python 2 line.  If that's true, Python 3 > >acceptance is further along at this point than anticipa

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:56:10 -0800, John Nagle wrote: > Daniel Fetchinson wrote: >> Hi folks, >> >> I was going to write this post for a while because all sorts of myths >> periodically come up on this list about python 3. I don't think the >> posters mean to spread false information on purpose,

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Ethan Furman
Daniel Fetchinson wrote: Hi folks, I was going to write this post for a while because all sorts of myths periodically come up on this list about python 3. I don't think the posters mean to spread false information on purpose, they simply are not aware of the facts. My list is surely incomplete,

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Edward A. Falk
In article , Grant Edwards wrote: > >That said, I don't expect to start using Python 3 until library >availability or my Linux distro forces me to. If python 3 is much more efficient than python 2, or it has features I really need for some application I'll write in the future, I might be tempted

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Edward A. Falk
In article , Daniel Fetchinson wrote: >Hi folks, > >1. Print statement/function creates incompatibility between 2.x and 3.x! > >Certainly false or misleading, if one uses 2.6 and 3.x the >incompatibility is not there. Print as a function works in 2.6: Yes, but does print as a statement work? Yo

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread David Malcolm
On Wed, 2010-01-27 at 16:25 -0500, Benjamin Kaplan wrote: > On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 3:56 PM, John Nagle wrote: > > Daniel Fetchinson wrote: > >> > >> Hi folks, > >> > >> I was going to write this post for a while because all sorts of myths > >> periodically come up on this list about python 3. I d

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Daniel Fetchinson
>> Hi folks, >> >> I was going to write this post for a while because all sorts of myths >> periodically come up on this list about python 3. I don't think the >> posters mean to spread false information on purpose, they simply are >> not aware of the facts. >> >> My list is surely incomplete, plea

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Terry Reedy
On 1/27/2010 3:56 PM, John Nagle wrote: 2. Python 3 is supported by multiple Python implementations. FALSE - Only CPython supports 3.x. Iron Python, Unladen Swallow, PyPy, and Jython have all stayed with 2.x versions of Python. Actually, Unladen Swallow is now targeted at 3.1; its developers

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Mensanator
On Jan 27, 2:56 pm, John Nagle wrote: > Daniel Fetchinson wrote: > > Hi folks, > > > I was going to write this post for a while because all sorts of myths > > periodically come up on this list about python 3. I don't think the > > posters mean to spread false information on purpose, they simply ar

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread exarkun
On 10:07 pm, pavlovevide...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 27, 12:56�pm, John Nagle wrote: Arguably, Python 3 has been rejected by the market. No it's not fathomably arguable, because there's no reasonable way that Python 3 could have fully replaced Python 2 so quickly. At best, you could reasonabl

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Carl Banks
On Jan 27, 12:56 pm, John Nagle wrote: > Arguably, Python 3 has been rejected by the market. No it's not fathomably arguable, because there's no reasonable way that Python 3 could have fully replaced Python 2 so quickly. At best, you could reasonably argue there hasn't been enough time to tell.

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
On Wed, 2010-01-27 at 16:25 -0500, Benjamin Kaplan wrote: > On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 3:56 PM, John Nagle wrote: > Give the package maintainers time to update. There were some pretty > big changes to the C API. Most of the major 3rd party packages like > numpy and MySQLdb have already commited to ha

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Ben Finney
Christian Heimes writes: > John Nagle wrote: > > 1. Python 3 is supported by major Linux distributions. > > > > FALSE - most distros are shipping with Python 2.4, or 2.5 at best. > > You are wrong. Modern versions of Debian / Ubuntu are using Python > 2.6. Only if by “modern” you mean “not

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Ben Finney
Adam Tauno Williams writes: > On Wed, 2010-01-27 at 12:56 -0800, John Nagle wrote: > > 2. Python 3 is supported by multiple Python implementations. > > FALSE - Only CPython supports 3.x. Iron Python, Unladen Swallow, > > PyPy, and Jython have all stayed with 2.x versions of Python. > >

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Christian Heimes
John Nagle wrote: > 1. Python 3 is supported by major Linux distributions. > > FALSE - most distros are shipping with Python 2.4, or 2.5 at best. You are wrong. Modern versions of Debian / Ubuntu are using Python 2.6. My Ubuntu box has python3.0, too. > 2. Python 3 is supported by multip

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Benjamin Kaplan
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 3:56 PM, John Nagle wrote: > Daniel Fetchinson wrote: >> >> Hi folks, >> >> I was going to write this post for a while because all sorts of myths >> periodically come up on this list about python 3. I don't think the >> posters mean to spread false information on purpose, t

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Ben Finney
John Nagle writes: > Myths about Python 3: > > 1. Python 3 is supported by major Linux distributions. > > FALSE - most distros are shipping with Python 2.4, or 2.5 at > best. There's a big difference between “What list of versions of Python does ship with?” versus “Which one

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread sjdevn...@yahoo.com
On Jan 27, 9:22 am, Daniel Fetchinson wrote: > >> Hi folks, > > >> I was going to write this post for a while because all sorts of myths > >> periodically come up on this list about python 3. I don't think the > >> posters mean to spread false information on purpose, they simply are > >> not aware

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
On Wed, 2010-01-27 at 12:56 -0800, John Nagle wrote: > Daniel Fetchinson wrote: > > Hi folks, > > I was going to write this post for a while because all sorts of myths > > periodically come up on this list about python 3. I don't think the > > posters mean to spread false information on purpose, th

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-01-27, John Nagle wrote: > Arguably, Python 3 has been rejected by the market. Let's just say that it hasn't yet been accepted by the market. ;) > Instead, there's now Python 2.6, Python 2.7, and Python 2.8. > Python 3 has turned into a debacle like Perl 6, now 10 years > old. I think

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread John Nagle
Daniel Fetchinson wrote: Hi folks, I was going to write this post for a while because all sorts of myths periodically come up on this list about python 3. I don't think the posters mean to spread false information on purpose, they simply are not aware of the facts. My list is surely incomplete,

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread eric_dex...@msn.com
On Jan 27, 8:42 am, Lie Ryan wrote: > On 01/28/10 01:32, Jean-Michel Pichavant wrote: > > > > > Daniel Fetchinson wrote: > Hi folks, > > I was going to write this post for a while because all sorts of myths > periodically come up on this list about python 3. I don't think the >

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Lie Ryan
On 01/28/10 01:32, Jean-Michel Pichavant wrote: > Daniel Fetchinson wrote: Hi folks, I was going to write this post for a while because all sorts of myths periodically come up on this list about python 3. I don't think the posters mean to spread false information on purpose

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Jean-Michel Pichavant
Daniel Fetchinson wrote: Hi folks, I was going to write this post for a while because all sorts of myths periodically come up on this list about python 3. I don't think the posters mean to spread false information on purpose, they simply are not aware of the facts. My list is surely incomplete,

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Daniel Fetchinson
>> 1. Print statement/function creates incompatibility between 2.x and 3.x! >> >> Certainly false or misleading, if one uses 2.6 and 3.x the >> incompatibility is not there. Print as a function works in 2.6: >> >> Python 2.6.2 (r262:71600, Aug 21 2009, 12:23:57) >> [GCC 4.4.1 20090818 (Red Hat 4.4.

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Daniel Fetchinson
>> Hi folks, >> >> I was going to write this post for a while because all sorts of myths >> periodically come up on this list about python 3. I don't think the >> posters mean to spread false information on purpose, they simply are >> not aware of the facts. >> >> My list is surely incomplete, plea

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Andre Engels
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Daniel Fetchinson wrote: > Hi folks, > > I was going to write this post for a while because all sorts of myths > periodically come up on this list about python 3. I don't think the > posters mean to spread false information on purpose, they simply are > not aware

Re: myths about python 3

2010-01-27 Thread Stefan Behnel
Daniel Fetchinson, 27.01.2010 11:32: > 1. Print statement/function creates incompatibility between 2.x and 3.x! > > Certainly false or misleading, if one uses 2.6 and 3.x the > incompatibility is not there. Print as a function works in 2.6: > > Python 2.6.2 (r262:71600, Aug 21 2009, 12:23:57) > [