Re: The devolution of English language and slothful c.l.p behaviors exposed!

2012-01-29 Thread Dominic Binks
snipped lots of mindless nonsense, nothing at all to do with Python On 25-Jan-12 3:23 PM, Rick Johnson wrote: ... In my world ... Rick, I may be overstepping the mark here but I believe all participants on this list would probably like it if that's precisely where you stayed. -- Dominic

Re: The devolution of English language and slothful c.l.p behaviors exposed!

2012-01-27 Thread Emile van Sebille
On 1/25/2012 9:14 PM Steven D'Aprano said... In the same way that a native English speaker would never make the mistake of using organ to refer to an unnamed mechanical device, so she would never use gadget to refer to an unnamed body part. My wife introduced me to the term picnic gadget as

Re: The devolution of English language and slothful c.l.p behaviors exposed!

2012-01-27 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 09:06:57 -0800, Emile van Sebille wrote: On 1/25/2012 9:14 PM Steven D'Aprano said... In the same way that a native English speaker would never make the mistake of using organ to refer to an unnamed mechanical device, so she would never use gadget to refer to an unnamed

Re: The devolution of English language and slothful c.l.p behaviors exposed!

2012-01-26 Thread alex23
Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote: The Oxford Dictionary lists the first definition of pretty as     Orig. cunning, crafty. Later (of a person) clever, skillful;    (of a thing) cleverly made or done, ingenious, artful. and states that it is derived from Old English

Re: The devolution of English language and slothful c.l.p behaviors exposed!

2012-01-25 Thread K Richard Pixley
On 1/23/12 21:57 , Rick Johnson wrote: Here is a grep from the month of September 2011 showing the rampantly egregious misuse of the following words and phrases: * pretty * hard * right * used to * supposed to Pretty is the most ludicrous of them all! As you will see, pretty is used

Re: The devolution of English language and slothful c.l.p behaviors exposed!

2012-01-25 Thread MRAB
On 25/01/2012 05:55, Michael Torrie wrote: On 01/24/2012 10:49 PM, Michael Torrie wrote: On 01/24/2012 05:43 PM, Rick Johnson wrote: Actually my custom script had a small flaw which kept it from capturing ALL the atrocities. Here is a run with the bugfixes: Wow. I had to trim 80% of your

Re: The devolution of English language and slothful c.l.p behaviors exposed!

2012-01-25 Thread Rick Johnson
On Jan 25, 11:26 am, K Richard Pixley r...@noir.com wrote: I disagree on all points. Pretty means mostly.  The difference in meaning is significant. I'm sure is definitive.  I'm pretty sure leaves room for variation. But pretty does not translate well as a quantifier, even though that's

Re: The devolution of English language and slothful c.l.p behaviors exposed!

2012-01-25 Thread Neil Cerutti
On 2012-01-25, Rick Johnson rantingrickjohn...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, why i am not surprised! Let's pick one usage at random and try to understand it. I think XYZ is pretty easy. You don't even need pretty to get your point across. You could simply say I think XYZ is easy. Furthermore, if you

Re: The devolution of English language and slothful c.l.p behaviors exposed!

2012-01-25 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Rick Johnson rantingrickjohn...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, why i am not surprised! Let's pick one usage at random and try to understand it. I think XYZ is pretty easy. You don't even need pretty to get your point across. You could simply say I think XYZ is easy.

Re: The devolution of English language and slothful c.l.p behaviors exposed!

2012-01-25 Thread Rick Johnson
On Jan 25, 3:45 pm, Ian Kelly ian.g.ke...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Rick Johnson rantingrickjohn...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, why i am not surprised! Let's pick one usage at random and try to understand it. I think XYZ is pretty easy. You don't even need pretty to get

Re: The devolution of English language and slothful c.l.p behaviors exposed!

2012-01-25 Thread Chris Kaynor
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 3:23 PM, Rick Johnson rantingrickjohn...@gmail.comwrote: On Jan 25, 3:45 pm, Ian Kelly ian.g.ke...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Rick Johnson In all seriousness, the idea that very and somewhat are somehow better in this context than pretty just

Re: The devolution of English language and slothful c.l.p behaviors exposed!

2012-01-25 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Rick Johnson rantingrickjohn...@gmail.com wrote: Only to you. In my world, the pleasurable aspects of a tangible object can have no effect on my opinion of the difficulty of a task. Then your world is not the real world, that being the one that is actually

Re: The devolution of English language and slothful c.l.p behaviors exposed!

2012-01-25 Thread Jugurtha Hadjar
I just came home. It is 01h19 AM here in Algiers (Algeria, North Africa.. Not New Orleans) and I find this funny thread. Thank you, by the way. I started communicating in English about two years ago, mostly on human sciences topics and was forced to articulate ideas and concepts in this

Re: The devolution of English language and slothful c.l.p behaviors exposed!

2012-01-25 Thread John O'Hagan
On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:38:12 -0800 Chris Kaynor ckay...@zindagigames.com wrote: [...] Would you prefer the Oxford or Merriam-Webster dictionaries. They are a bit more established than dictionary.com in terms of standardizing the languages. Definition 4 of the Merriam-Webster dictionary

Re: The devolution of English language and slothful c.l.p behaviors exposed!

2012-01-25 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 12:14:43 -0800, Rick Johnson wrote: PS: Just like i suspected; not one single use of pretty was wielded to describe the pleasurable attributes of a person, place, or thing. Mind boggling! Have you even bothered to look up pretty in the dictionary? Dictionary.com has this

Re: The devolution of English language and slothful c.l.p behaviors exposed!

2012-01-25 Thread K. Richard Pixley
On 1/25/12 12:14 , Rick Johnson wrote: You don't even need pretty to get your point across. If that's your argument, then we can drop the verb to be, most articles, most verb conjugations, and nearly all adjectives and adverbs. For that matter, the vast majority of posts here can be dropped

Re: The devolution of English language and slothful c.l.p behaviors exposed!

2012-01-25 Thread Rick Johnson
On Jan 25, 6:20 pm, Ian Kelly ian.g.ke...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Rick Johnson I was frightened that the finals might be difficult this year, however to my surprise, they were not. In this case the writer does not *precisely* quantify the difficulty of his

Re: The devolution of English language and slothful c.l.p behaviors exposed!

2012-01-25 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 6:00 PM, Rick Johnson rantingrickjohn...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 25, 6:20 pm, Ian Kelly ian.g.ke...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Rick Johnson I was frightened that the finals might be difficult this year, however to my surprise, they were not.

Re: The devolution of English language and slothful c.l.p behaviors exposed!

2012-01-25 Thread Rick Johnson
On Jan 25, 6:28 pm, Jugurtha Hadjar jugurtha.had...@gmail.com wrote: I am sincerely sorry if my English offends some purists, but I am making efforts to write correctly, and making mistakes to learn. To learn this and many other things... Hello Jugurtha, You English does not offend me. i

Re: The devolution of English language and slothful c.l.p behaviors exposed!

2012-01-25 Thread Rick Johnson
On Jan 25, 8:02 pm, Ian Kelly ian.g.ke...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 6:00 PM, Rick Johnson rantingrickjohn...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 25, 6:20 pm, Ian Kelly ian.g.ke...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Rick Johnson My writing skills are not in question here,

Re: The devolution of English language and slothful c.l.p behaviors exposed!

2012-01-25 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Rick Johnson rantingrickjohn...@gmail.com wrote: I believe we'll just have to agree to disagree on the issue of pretty. However, let's take a step back and view this issue from a global perspective. Ask yourself: Q: Am i choosing my words carefully, or just

Re: The devolution of English language and slothful c.l.p behaviors exposed!

2012-01-25 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:23:10 -0800, Rick Johnson wrote: Let's see what intelligent words we can find here... doohickey a name for something one doesn't know the name of, 1914, Amer.Eng., arbitrary formation. thing·a·ma·jig a gadget or other thing for which the speaker does not know or

Re: The devolution of English language and slothful c.l.p behaviors exposed!

2012-01-25 Thread Chris Angelico
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote: In the same way that a native English speaker would never make the mistake of using organ to refer to an unnamed mechanical device, so she would never use gadget to refer to an unnamed body part. I

Re: The devolution of English language and slothful c.l.p behaviors exposed!

2012-01-25 Thread rusi
The contents of this thread ostensibly argues about the word 'pretty' Actually it seems to be arguing about the word 'troll' Every other post calls the OP a troll and then outdoes his post in length. This does not match any meaning I can make of trolling. Can someone please explain what 'troll'

Re: The devolution of English language and slothful c.l.p behaviors exposed!

2012-01-25 Thread Joshua Landau
On 26 January 2012 05:25, rusi rustompm...@gmail.com wrote: The contents of this thread ostensibly argues about the word 'pretty' Actually it seems to be arguing about the word 'troll' Every other post calls the OP a troll and then outdoes his post in length. This does not match any meaning

Re: The devolution of English language and slothful c.l.p behaviors exposed!

2012-01-25 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 10:25 PM, rusi rustompm...@gmail.com wrote: The contents of this thread ostensibly argues about the word 'pretty' Actually it seems to be arguing about the word 'troll' Every other post calls the OP a troll and then outdoes his post in length. I just grepped, and it's

Re: The devolution of English language and slothful c.l.p behaviors exposed!

2012-01-24 Thread Jérôme
Mon, 23 Jan 2012 21:57:16 -0800 (PST) Rick Johnson a écrit: Pretty is the most ludicrous of them all! As you will see, pretty is used superfluously, over and over again! In fact, you could safely omit pretty without sacrificing any meaning of most all the sentences that include the word

Re: The devolution of English language and slothful c.l.p behaviors exposed!

2012-01-24 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2012-01-24, Chris Angelico ros...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Rick Johnson rantingrickjohn...@gmail.com wrote: [RR's usual schtick] All in favour, say Aye in Latin. All against, say Plonk. I plonked RR ages ago. Now I only get to see his post when somebody replies

Re: The devolution of English language and slothful c.l.p behaviors exposed!

2012-01-24 Thread Martin P. Hellwig
On 24/01/2012 05:57, Rick Johnson wrote: cut rant I would wish that pedantic citizens of the British colony in America stopped calling whatever misinterpreted waffle they produce, English. -- mph -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

RE: The devolution of English language and slothful c.l.p behaviors exposed!

2012-01-24 Thread Rob Richardson
In America, they haven't spoken it for years! -- Professor Henry Higgins, My Fair Lady -Original Message- On 24/01/2012 05:57, Rick Johnson wrote: cut rant I would wish that pedantic citizens of the British colony in America stopped calling whatever misinterpreted waffle they produce,

Re: The devolution of English language and slothful c.l.p behaviors exposed!

2012-01-24 Thread J
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 09:05, Martin P. Hellwig martin.hell...@gmail.com wrote: On 24/01/2012 05:57, Rick Johnson wrote: cut rant I would wish that pedantic citizens of the British colony in America stopped calling whatever misinterpreted waffle they produce, English. I, sir, as a citizen of

RE: The devolution of English language and slothful c.l.p behaviors exposed!

2012-01-24 Thread Neru Yume
Wh. I did not expect this when I signed up to the Python mailing list. From: dreadpiratej...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 09:51:57 -0500 Subject: Re: The devolution of English language and slothful c.l.p behaviors exposed! To: martin.hell...@gmail.com CC: python-list@python.org

Re: The devolution of English language and slothful c.l.p behaviors exposed!

2012-01-24 Thread Benedict Verheyen
On 24/01/2012 7:06, Steven D'Aprano wrote: On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 21:57:16 -0800, Rick Johnson wrote: Here is a grep from the month of September 2011 showing the rampantly egregious misuse of the following words and phrases: * pretty * hard * right * used to * supposed to I'm pretty

Re: The devolution of English language and slothful c.l.p behaviors exposed!

2012-01-24 Thread Andrea Crotti
I suggest to create English 2.0, and convince the whole world to speak your own way better implementation of English. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: The devolution of English language and slothful c.l.p behaviors exposed!

2012-01-24 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 09:21:37 +0100, Jérôme wrote: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 21:57:16 -0800 (PST) Rick Johnson a écrit: Of course, used to and supposed to will require people to rethink there lazy and slothful ways. I don't even see the problem with those... As someone already said, english is a

Re: The devolution of English language and slothful c.l.p behaviors exposed!

2012-01-24 Thread Martin P. Hellwig
On 24/01/2012 14:51, J wrote: On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 09:05, Martin P. Hellwig martin.hell...@gmail.com wrote: On 24/01/2012 05:57, Rick Johnson wrote: cut rant I would wish that pedantic citizens of the British colony in America stopped calling whatever misinterpreted waffle they produce,

Re: The devolution of English language and slothful c.l.p behaviors exposed!

2012-01-24 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 3:26 AM, Martin P. Hellwig martin.hell...@gmail.com wrote: Having said that,  I do like to bring to your attention that her Majesty, never ratified the 'Declaration of Independence'. :-) Oh, stop it. It's high time we got rid of these silly distinctions of English and

Re: The devolution of English language and slothful c.l.p behaviors exposed!

2012-01-24 Thread Blockheads Oi Oi
On 24/01/2012 16:41, Chris Angelico wrote: On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 3:26 AM, Martin P. Hellwig martin.hell...@gmail.com wrote: Having said that, I do like to bring to your attention that her Majesty, never ratified the 'Declaration of Independence'. :-) Oh, stop it. It's high time we got rid

Re: The devolution of English language and slothful c.l.p behaviors exposed!

2012-01-24 Thread Blockheads Oi Oi
On 24/01/2012 15:46, Andrea Crotti wrote: I suggest to create English 2.0, and convince the whole world to speak your own way better implementation of English. Too late for that when comparing modern English with that of e.g. Dickens, Shakespeare, Chaucer and Bede, hence at a minimum I reckon

Re: The devolution of English language and slothful c.l.p behaviors exposed!

2012-01-24 Thread Joshua Landau
On 24 January 2012 17:25, Blockheads Oi Oi breamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On 24/01/2012 15:46, Andrea Crotti wrote: I suggest to create English 2.0, and convince the whole world to speak your own way better implementation of English. Too late for that when comparing modern English with

Re: The devolution of English language and slothful c.l.p behaviors exposed!

2012-01-24 Thread Blockheads Oi Oi
On 24/01/2012 20:03, Joshua Landau wrote: On 24 January 2012 17:25, Blockheads Oi Oi breamore...@yahoo.co.uk mailto:breamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On 24/01/2012 15:46, Andrea Crotti wrote: I suggest to create English 2.0, and convince the whole world to speak your

Re: The devolution of English language and slothful c.l.p behaviors exposed!

2012-01-24 Thread Chris Angelico
On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Blockheads Oi Oi breamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On 24/01/2012 20:03, Joshua Landau wrote: A simple version number doesn't imply huge breakages. Try English2 v1.0! In fact, why would a perfect language need a version number? It would be difficult to maintain

Re: The devolution of English language and slothful c.l.p behaviors exposed!

2012-01-24 Thread Blockheads Oi Oi
On 24/01/2012 21:20, Chris Angelico wrote: On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Blockheads Oi Oi breamore...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On 24/01/2012 20:03, Joshua Landau wrote: A simple version number doesn't imply huge breakages. Try English2 v1.0! In fact, why would a perfect language need a version

Re: The devolution of English language and slothful c.l.p behaviors exposed!

2012-01-24 Thread Rick Johnson
On Jan 23, 11:57 pm, Rick Johnson rantingrickjohn...@gmail.com wrote: Here is a grep from the month of September 2011 showing the rampantly egregious misuse of the following words and phrases: Actually my custom script had a small flaw which kept it from capturing ALL the atrocities. Here is a

Re: The devolution of English language and slothful c.l.p behaviors exposed!

2012-01-24 Thread Michael Torrie
On 01/24/2012 05:43 PM, Rick Johnson wrote: Actually my custom script had a small flaw which kept it from capturing ALL the atrocities. Here is a run with the bugfixes: Wow. I had to trim 80% of your e-mail just to get rid of old quoted posts. For an expert, Rick, I'm really surprised you

Re: The devolution of English language and slothful c.l.p behaviors exposed!

2012-01-24 Thread Michael Torrie
On 01/24/2012 10:49 PM, Michael Torrie wrote: On 01/24/2012 05:43 PM, Rick Johnson wrote: Actually my custom script had a small flaw which kept it from capturing ALL the atrocities. Here is a run with the bugfixes: Wow. I had to trim 80% of your e-mail just to get rid of old quoted posts.

The devolution of English language and slothful c.l.p behaviors exposed!

2012-01-23 Thread Rick Johnson
Here is a grep from the month of September 2011 showing the rampantly egregious misuse of the following words and phrases: * pretty * hard * right * used to * supposed to Pretty is the most ludicrous of them all! As you will see, pretty is used superfluously, over and over again! In fact,

Re: The devolution of English language and slothful c.l.p behaviors exposed!

2012-01-23 Thread Evan Driscoll
On 1/23/2012 23:57, Rick Johnson wrote: Of course, used to and supposed to will require people to rethink there lazy and slothful ways. I'll go repent in the corner, over their. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: The devolution of English language and slothful c.l.p behaviors exposed!

2012-01-23 Thread Steven D'Aprano
On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 21:57:16 -0800, Rick Johnson wrote: Here is a grep from the month of September 2011 showing the rampantly egregious misuse of the following words and phrases: * pretty * hard * right * used to * supposed to I'm pretty sure that this news group is supposed to be for

Re: The devolution of English language and slothful c.l.p behaviors exposed!

2012-01-23 Thread Rodrick Brown
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 1:06 AM, Steven D'Aprano steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info wrote: On Mon, 23 Jan 2012 21:57:16 -0800, Rick Johnson wrote: Here is a grep from the month of September 2011 showing the rampantly egregious misuse of the following words and phrases: * pretty *

Re: The devolution of English language and slothful c.l.p behaviors exposed!

2012-01-23 Thread Chris Angelico
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Rick Johnson rantingrickjohn...@gmail.com wrote: Here is a grep from the month of September 2011... Is it? Interesting. I met that month yesterday (she was shopping in Oakleigh, don't ask) and she knew nothing about it. Oh, did you mean Here is the result of

Re: The devolution of English language and slothful c.l.p behaviors exposed!

2012-01-23 Thread Andrew Berg
You're right, but it's pretty hard for some people to do what they're supposed to when it isn't what they're used to. -- CPython 3.2.2 | Windows NT 6.1.7601.17640 -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Re: The devolution of English language and slothful c.l.p behaviors exposed!

2012-01-23 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 10:57 PM, Rick Johnson rantingrickjohn...@gmail.com wrote: Here is a grep A grep? What is a grep? That word is not in any of my dictionaries. Are you perhaps carelessly invoking the neologism of referring to an execution of the grep UNIX program as a grep? from the

Re: The devolution of English language and slothful c.l.p behaviors exposed!

2012-01-23 Thread alex23
On Jan 24, 4:05 pm, Evan Driscoll edrisc...@wisc.edu wrote: On 1/23/2012 23:57, Rick Johnson wrote: Of course, used to and supposed to will require people to rethink there lazy and slothful ways. I'll go repent in the corner, over their. You forget, Rick's errors are genuine mistakes that

Re: The devolution of English language and slothful c.l.p behaviors exposed!

2012-01-23 Thread Chris Angelico
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Ian Kelly ian.g.ke...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 10:57 PM, Rick Johnson rantingrickjohn...@gmail.com wrote: Here is a grep A grep?  What is a grep? According to the damage type table on Aardwolf MUD, a grep is a type of slash - at least, it's