Re: Issues of state (was: Tkinter or wxpython?)

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Paul Rubin wrote: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cameron Laird) writes: >> Others have answered this at other levels. In elementary terms, >> there truly is a difference, Paul, and one that's widely reified: >> a "desktop client-server" application

Re: Issues of state (was: Tkinter or wxpython?)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cameron Laird) writes: > Others have answered this at other levels. In elementary terms, > there truly is a difference, Paul, and one that's widely reified: > a "desktop client-server" application typically listens through > one socket, which therefore constitutes an index of th

Re: Issues of state (was: Tkinter or wxpython?)

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Paul Rubin wrote: . . . >I'm not sure what you're getting at in this context. You can write a >desktop app where the window system communicates with a gui toolkit >th

Re: Tkinter or wxpython?

On 8/8/07, Kevin Walzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Chris Mellon wrote: > > >> What do you mean here? Things like keyboard accelerators, menu > >> placement, and so on? Those things are already natively implemented by > >> Tk, and the developer just needs to invoke them. Sometimes some > >> condit

Re: Tkinter or wxpython?

Chris Mellon wrote: >> What do you mean here? Things like keyboard accelerators, menu >> placement, and so on? Those things are already natively implemented by >> Tk, and the developer just needs to invoke them. Sometimes some >> conditional code is required for stuff like keyboard accelerators (t

Re: Tkinter or wxpython?

On 8/8/07, Kevin Walzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Chris Mellon wrote: > > On 8/8/07, Kevin Walzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Using Tile, of course, loses you the first major benefit of Tk - that > > it's already included in the standard library. So in this sense it's > > still "ugly old sc

Re: Tkinter or wxpython?

Chris Mellon wrote: > On 8/8/07, Kevin Walzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Using Tile, of course, loses you the first major benefit of Tk - that > it's already included in the standard library. So in this sense it's > still "ugly old school look and feel" vs "no external dependencies", > which is

Re: Tkinter or wxpython?

On 8/8/07, Kevin Walzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Cameron Laird wrote: > > > > While those with an artistic eye > > assure me the simplest Tkinter programs look worse > > that corresponding ones built with any other toolkit, > > they behave the most coherently in regards to resizing > > and so o

Re: Tkinter or wxpython?

Cameron Laird wrote: > > While those with an artistic eye > assure me the simplest Tkinter programs look worse > that corresponding ones built with any other toolkit, > they behave the most coherently in regards to resizing > and so on. > "Look worse" can be addressed through extensive means: th

Re: Issues of state (was: Tkinter or wxpython?)

"Paul Rubin" wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cameron Laird) writes: > > >application in the web app model (I haven't even touched on the whole > > >stateless HTTP being mapped to a stateful environment issue, or the > > >need to manage the local web server) actually buys you anything. I > > . > > Go

Re: Issues of state (was: Tkinter or wxpython?)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cameron Laird) writes: > >application in the web app model (I haven't even touched on the whole > >stateless HTTP being mapped to a stateful environment issue, or the > >need to manage the local web server) actually buys you anything. I > . > Go ahead: touc

Re: Tkinter or wxpython?

On Aug 7, 9:00 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cameron Laird) wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Paul Rubin wrote: > . > . > . > > > > >I should also add: there is also the possibility of running a Py

Re: Tkinter or wxpython?

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Paul Rubin wrote: . . . >I should also add: there is also the possibility of running a Python >program with an embedded http server on the same desktop as the >browser

Which GUI toolkit (was: Tkinter or wxpython?)

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bryan Hepworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: . [waaay too much quoted text for my taste] . . >> I'm not trying to claim that there are no benefit

Issues of state (was: Tkinter or wxpython?)

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chris Mellon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: . [scores of lines of vigorous debate] . . >Moreover, if you *don't* need global access or zero-deployment >(zero-deploymen

Re: Tkinter or wxpython?

On 06 Aug 2007 15:25:51 -0700, Paul Rubin <"http://phr.cx"@nospam.invalid> wrote: > "Chris Mellon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > You repeatedly have used the word "slickness" as a pejorative. I find > > that offensive and it's insulting to users. When I write applications, > > I want the interfac

Re: Tkinter or wxpython?

"Chris Mellon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > You repeatedly have used the word "slickness" as a pejorative. I find > that offensive and it's insulting to users. When I write applications, > I want the interface to be as smooth and trouble free as possible, It's a perjorative when it's done for its

Re: Tkinter or wxpython?

On Aug 2, 8:00 pm, "wang frank" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > I want to build a GUI to execut python script. I found TKinter and > wxpython. Which one is easier for a newbie? and which one is better? > If you want to have a native look and feel, I'd choose wxpython (probably the Dabo builde

Re: Tkinter or wxpython?

On 06 Aug 2007 12:10:44 -0700, Paul Rubin <"http://phr.cx"@nospam.invalid> wrote: > "Chris Mellon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I had a bunch of replies to each section but I think this is getting too long so I'll sum up. You repeatedly have used the word "slickness" as a pejorative. I find that

Re: Tkinter or wxpython?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Yeah...I would assume I would enjoy Tkinter more if I knew more tcl. > Until that day arrives though, it will probably still be fairly > confusing for me to figure out. I do like it's "pythonic" style > though. I've managed to program tkinter without knowing anything ab

Re: Tkinter or wxpython?

"Chris Mellon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Define "functionality". From the rest of your posts, that seems to be > limited to "press buttons" and "type small amounts of non-formatted > text" on the interaction side and "display small amounts of simply > formatted text" on the output side. OK, I

Re: Tkinter or wxpython?

On Aug 6, 12:49 pm, Kevin Walzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > I tried the PMW widget toolkit. It was ok, but it seemed kind of > > buggy. I found out about Tix on a forum of some sort. When I tried to > > find out how to get it and use it, all I found was conflicting

Re: Tkinter or wxpython?

Chris Mellon wrote: > On 06 Aug 2007 09:44:15 -0700, Paul Rubin > <"http://phr.cx"@nospam.invalid> wrote: > >> "Chris Mellon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Might or might not matter for the application, especially considering that tkinter is part of the discussion.

Re: Tkinter or wxpython?

Chris Mellon wrote: > On 06 Aug 2007 09:44:15 -0700, Paul Rubin > <"http://phr.cx"@nospam.invalid> wrote: >> "Chris Mellon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] >> Again, it all depends on what you're trying to do. For data entry >> stuff you probably want the data on a remote server anyway, and you

Re: Tkinter or wxpython?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I tried the PMW widget toolkit. It was ok, but it seemed kind of > buggy. I found out about Tix on a forum of some sort. When I tried to > find out how to get it and use it, all I found was conflicting > information. I finally got it downloaded only to find I had to c

Re: Tkinter or wxpython?

On 06 Aug 2007 09:44:15 -0700, Paul Rubin <"http://phr.cx"@nospam.invalid> wrote: > "Chris Mellon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Might or might not matter for the application, especially considering > > > that tkinter is part of the discussion. > > The point is that you have no option with the

Re: Tkinter or wxpython?

On Aug 6, 10:27 am, Kevin Walzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Paul Rubin wrote: > > > Tkinteger (dang, I always end up typing it that way, I won't even > > bother fixing the error) is easy to use for simple gui's, and it's > > part of the standard python distro which for me is a big advantage (no >

Re: Tkinter or wxpython?

"Chris Mellon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Might or might not matter for the application, especially considering > > that tkinter is part of the discussion. > The point is that you have no option with the browser - even Tkinter > has platform theming support now. Hmm, I don't know anything abo

Re: Tkinter or wxpython?

Paul Rubin writes: > > No native integration - no "open file", no "browse the filesystem", no > > rich drag and drop, no copy/paste. > > File i/o and file system browsing are available from javascript if the > user grants permission. File system browsing for the limited

Re: Tkinter or wxpython?

On 06 Aug 2007 08:20:20 -0700, Paul Rubin <"http://phr.cx"@nospam.invalid> wrote: > "Chris Mellon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > No native look and feel - constrained by the browser. > > Might or might not matter for the application, especially considering > that tkinter is part of the discussion

Re: Tkinter or wxpython?

Paul Rubin wrote: > > Tkinteger (dang, I always end up typing it that way, I won't even > bother fixing the error) is easy to use for simple gui's, and it's > part of the standard python distro which for me is a big advantage (no > extra crap to download). However, the widget set is rather ugly

Re: Tkinter or wxpython?

On Aug 6, 9:58 am, "Chris Mellon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 06 Aug 2007 07:39:12 -0700, Paul Rubin > > > > <"http://phr.cx"@nospam.invalid> wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > I've read that Tkinter doesn't scale well if you're writing complex > > > GUIs. I haven't been able to test t

Re: Tkinter or wxpython?

"Chris Mellon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > No native look and feel - constrained by the browser. Might or might not matter for the application, especially considering that tkinter is part of the discussion. > No control over browser UI idioms. I had to write this post twice > because the text c

Re: Tkinter or wxpython?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I agree that making web apps is probably the way of the future. > However, there are lots of security risks involved with it that need > to be understood. One of the problems that raging is about AJAX, see > here: > http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070802-security

Re: Tkinter or wxpython?

On 06 Aug 2007 07:39:12 -0700, Paul Rubin <"http://phr.cx"@nospam.invalid> wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > I've read that Tkinter doesn't scale well if you're writing complex > > GUIs. I haven't been able to test this hypothesis though. However, > > since I had to rewrite VBA apps into Pyth

Re: Tkinter or wxpython?

On Aug 6, 9:39 am, Paul Rubin wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > I've read that Tkinter doesn't scale well if you're writing complex > > GUIs. I haven't been able to test this hypothesis though. However, > > since I had to rewrite VBA apps into Python, to get the rig

Re: Tkinter or wxpython?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I've read that Tkinter doesn't scale well if you're writing complex > GUIs. I haven't been able to test this hypothesis though. However, > since I had to rewrite VBA apps into Python, to get the right "look > and feel" I needed the widgets that wxPython provided. Since

Re: Tkinter or wxpython?

On Aug 2, 7:00 pm, "wang frank" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > I want to build a GUI to execut python script. I found TKinter and > wxpython. Which one is easier for a newbie? and which one is better? > > Thanks > > Frank > > _ >

Re: Tkinter or wxpython?

wang frank wrote: > > Hi, > > I want to build a GUI to execut python script. I found TKinter and > wxpython. Which one is easier for a newbie? and which one is better? > Tkiner is much easier to work with, but doesn't have the fine controls that wx offers... -- Jerry McBride -- http://m

Re: Tkinter or wxpython?

Well, for a newbie I think the best choice is PythonCard, is a framework based on wxPython but much more simple, check it out! On 8/3/07, Glenn Hutchings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Aug 3, 1:00 am, "wang frank" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I want to buil

Re: Tkinter or wxpython?

On Aug 3, 1:00 am, "wang frank" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I want to build a GUI to execut python script. I found TKinter and > wxpython. Which one is easier for a newbie? and which one is better? Well, Tkinter comes with Python, so newbies can get up and running straight away without having to

Tkinter or wxpython?

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Re: subprocess.Popen() redirecting to TKinter or WXPython textwidget???

Ivo Woltring wrote: The output of mencoder is not readable with readlines (i tried it) because after the initial informational lines You don't get lines anymore (you get a linefeed but no newline) The prints are all on the same line (like a status line) something like Pos: 3,1s 96f ( 0%) 42f

Re: subprocess.Popen() redirecting to TKinter or WXPython textwidget???

Ivo Woltring wrote: The output of mencoder is not readable with readlines (i tried it) because after the initial informational lines You don't get lines anymore (you get a linefeed but no newline) The prints are all on the same line (like a status line) something like Pos: 3,1s 96f ( 0%) 42f

Re: subprocess.Popen() redirecting to TKinter or WXPython textwidget???

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Ivo, my initial thought would be, you need to know how much text you > will get back from popen. My Python reference has the following > example: > > import os > dir = os.popen('ls -al', 'r') > while (1): > line = dir.readline() > if l

Re: subprocess.Popen() redirecting to TKinter or WXPython textwidget???

Ivo, my initial thought would be, you need to know how much text you will get back from popen. My Python reference has the following example: import os dir = os.popen('ls -al', 'r') while (1): line = dir.readline() if line: print line, else: break that example shows how to capture the process ou

subprocess.Popen() redirecting to TKinter or WXPython textwidget???

Hi Pythoneers, I am trying to make my own gui for mencoder.exe (windows port of the terrific linux mencoder/mplayer) to convert divx to Pocket_PC size. My current app creates a batch script to run the mencoder with the needed params, but now I want to integrate mencoder as a subprocess in my app.