Re: What do you want in a new web framework?

Peter Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... > >> I must not be a monopoly. A center of gravity would be nice, too. > > > > > > > > [it helps to know some Italian, > > No problem: "Centro di Gravità Permanente" = "permanent center of gravity" :

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Alex Martelli wrote: > Peter Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Cliff Wells wrote: >>> On Wed, 2006-08-23 at 22:13 +0200, Peter Maas wrote: Alex Martelli wrote: >> [...] > I have already suggested to the BDFL that he can remedy this situation > in Py3k: all he has to do, of course,

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Steve Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oops, -- not sure how the stray trailing questionmark got in, sorry. Alex -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

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2006/8/30, Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > re > struct > unicodedata > decimal > random > logging > Queue > urlparse > email operator cStringIO math cmath sets (merged to the language) itertools os + stat time tempfile glob Not that I use them all the time, b

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Cliff Wells wrote: > My single wishlist item (which will probably never happen) is actually > the *removal* of a single "feature": the distinction between statements > and expressions. Forget list comprehensions, ternary operators, etc. > You get them with no additional syntax in expression-based

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Maxim Sloyko wrote: > Laurent Pointal wrote: >> >> Look at http://wiki.python.org/moin/WebFrameworks >> >> Do you *really* need to develop a *new* framework (maybe a scholl >> exercise - it that case, KISS)? > > Isn't the main reason why there are so many of them is that all of them > suck badly?

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Maxim Sloyko wrote: > Laurent Pointal wrote: > >>Look at http://wiki.python.org/moin/WebFrameworks >> >>Do you *really* need to develop a *new* framework (maybe a scholl >>exercise - it that case, KISS)? > > > Isn't the main reason why there are so many of them is that all of them > suck badly?

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Laurent Pointal wrote: > > Look at http://wiki.python.org/moin/WebFrameworks > > Do you *really* need to develop a *new* framework (maybe a scholl > exercise - it that case, KISS)? Isn't the main reason why there are so many of them is that all of them suck badly? -- http://mail.python.org/mailm

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"BJörn Lindqvist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > In fact, it almost seems like[...] There exist better third party > modules and packages of most functionality in the standard > library. The only examples I can think of that seem to have a > "monopoly" is subprocess, decimal, thread and pickle. Are

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> > > I have already suggested to the BDFL that he can remedy this situation > > > in Py3k: all he has to do, of course, is to add a LOT more keywords. > > > > Here is another remedy: he adds one of the frameworks to the standard > > library :) > > That didn't help Tk maintain a monopoly on Python

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Alex Martelli wrote: [...] > > > [...] youtube says: The url contained a malformed video id. regards Steve -- Steve Holden +44 150 684 7255 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC/Ltd http://www.holdenweb.com Skype: holdenweb

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Peter Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Cliff Wells wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-08-23 at 22:13 +0200, Peter Maas wrote: > >> Alex Martelli wrote: > [...] > >>> I have already suggested to the BDFL that he can remedy this situation > >>> in Py3k: all he has to do, of course, is to add a LOT more keywor

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Here is another remedy: he adds one of the frameworks to the standard >> library :) >> >> Peter Maas, Aachen > > But there are already 3 ;-) > > http://docs.python.org/lib/module-BaseHTTPServer.html > http://docs.python.org/lib/module-SimpleHTTPServer.html > http://doc

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Cliff Wells wrote: > On Wed, 2006-08-23 at 22:13 +0200, Peter Maas wrote: >> Alex Martelli wrote: [...] >>> I have already suggested to the BDFL that he can remedy this situation >>> in Py3k: all he has to do, of course, is to add a LOT more keywords. >> Here is another remedy: he adds one of the f

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Peter Maas wrote: > Alex Martelli wrote: > > Indeed, it has been truthfully observed that Python's the only language > > with more web frameworks than keywords. > > > > I have already suggested to the BDFL that he can remedy this situation > > in Py3k: all he has to do, of course, is to add a LOT

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On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 04:28 -0700, Paul Boddie wrote: > Cliff Wells wrote: > > On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 04:04 +, Tim Roberts wrote: > > > Cliff Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > >But there are interesting things in Ruby (and Ruby 2 should take care of > > > >lots of warts Ruby 1.8 has

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Cliff Wells wrote: > On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 04:04 +, Tim Roberts wrote: > > Cliff Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >But there are interesting things in Ruby (and Ruby 2 should take care of > > >lots of warts Ruby 1.8 has) that Python could learn from. All-in-all, > > >Ruby is mostly a

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On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 04:04 +, Tim Roberts wrote: > Cliff Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >But there are interesting things in Ruby (and Ruby 2 should take care of > >lots of warts Ruby 1.8 has) that Python could learn from. All-in-all, > >Ruby is mostly as good as Python in most ways a

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Cliff Wells <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >But there are interesting things in Ruby (and Ruby 2 should take care of >lots of warts Ruby 1.8 has) that Python could learn from. All-in-all, >Ruby is mostly as good as Python in most ways and better than Python in >a couple key ways. ...but you can't R

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On Wed, 2006-08-23 at 22:13 +0200, Peter Maas wrote: > Alex Martelli wrote: > > Indeed, it has been truthfully observed that Python's the only language > > with more web frameworks than keywords. > > > > I have already suggested to the BDFL that he can remedy this situation > > in Py3k: all he has

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On Wed, 2006-08-23 at 02:28 -0700, Paul Boddie wrote: > Cliff Wells wrote: > > No, the reason Rails is successful is due to being a decent, focused > > product with *great* marketing (screencasts, anyone?). > > Screencasts? Perhaps, like a great showman, they draw in the punters > effectively eno

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Alex Martelli wrote: > Indeed, it has been truthfully observed that Python's the only language > with more web frameworks than keywords. > > I have already suggested to the BDFL that he can remedy this situation > in Py3k: all he has to do, of course, is to add a LOT more keywords. Here is anothe

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Cliff Wells wrote: > > I disagree. Even if most of the frameworks end up being nothing more > than research artifacts, the fact is they embody research. Without > research the Python web framework space will be forever relegated to > runner-up (and probably has-been at some point). It's perhaps

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"Alex Martelli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Tim Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: |... | > themselves. However, in the case of web frameworks, I believe Marc is | > fundamentally correct: the web framework proliferation in Python is | > actually doing the language a huge disservice. | | Indeed,

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"Fredrik Lundh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Alex Martelli wrote: | | > Indeed, it has been truthfully observed that Python's the only language | > with more web frameworks than keywords. | | recent research indicates that it has more web frameworks than comments | in the source code. | | Aa

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > hardemr wrote: > > > I've just read all of the answers. Most of yours said that there are > > many web frameworks ,so it is nonsense to make a new web framework in > > python. > > Hardemr, I like Ajacksu's answer, with a twist. Please concnentrate on > writing a Visua

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On Tue, 2006-08-22 at 08:15 +, Tim Roberts wrote: > Ordinarily, I think the "do it yourself" nature of Python is a great thing, > and I would never try to dissuade someone from reinventing something > themselves. However, in the case of web frameworks, I believe Marc is > fundamentally correc

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Alex Martelli wrote: > Indeed, it has been truthfully observed that Python's the only language > with more web frameworks than keywords. recent research indicates that it has more web frameworks than comments in the source code. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

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Tim Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... > themselves. However, in the case of web frameworks, I believe Marc is > fundamentally correct: the web framework proliferation in Python is > actually doing the language a huge disservice. Indeed, it has been truthfully observed that Python's the on

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Tim Roberts wrote: > > Consider Ruby. If someone asks, "I'd like to do a web site with Ruby, what > should I use?", the answer comes back loud, clear, and unanimous: Ruby on > Rails. I actually believe that people in most buzzword shortlist situations see Rails as being the name in the list of ca

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"Paul Boddie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch wrote: >> emrahayanoglu wrote: >> > >> > Now i want to listen all of you. What do you want in that web >> > framework(Easy use of Database, Easy use of XML, GUI Designer, etc...)? >> >> Don't think that yet another Python web framew

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > hardemr wrote: > >> I've just read all of the answers. Most of yours said that there are >> many web frameworks ,so it is nonsense to make a new web framework in >> python. > > Hardemr, I like Ajacksu's answer, with a twist. Please concnentrate on > writing a Visual Stu

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hardemr wrote: > I've just read all of the answers. Most of yours said that there are > many web frameworks ,so it is nonsense to make a new web framework in > python. Hardemr, I like Ajacksu's answer, with a twist. Please concnentrate on writing a Visual Studio-like gui designer, and make it pos

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Hello Emrah :) I'd love to have a good framework with focus on static-content. Something simple and useful like rest2web (http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/rest2web/) that could parse some of the many templates available and output nice (X)HTML+CSS. Bundle a simple GUI and you have something very

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Hello Everyone, I've just read all of the answers. Most of yours said that there are many web frameworks ,so it is nonsense to make a new web framework in python. Now I'm using and testing all of the frameworks in python also asp.net, jsp and java servlet, perl web frameworks and ruby on rails.

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On 8/20/06, Dave Richards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Really, really good documentation. > > Dave ... Which is the one thing no Python web framework provides. :( A framework with really good documentation (preferably translated into multiple languages) would be, I'm sure, the PHP/Ruby on Rails ki

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > Now, I'm working on a new web framework. I tried many test on the other > programming languages. Then i decided to use python on my web framework > project. > > Now i want to listen all of you. What do you want in that web > framework(Easy use of Data

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Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch wrote: > emrahayanoglu wrote: > > > > Now i want to listen all of you. What do you want in that web > > framework(Easy use of Database, Easy use of XML, GUI Designer, etc...)? > > Don't think that yet another Python web framework is really needed. Why not? I know that some

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Now, I'm working on a new web framework. I tried many test on the other > programming languages. Then i decided to use python on my web framework > project. > > Now i want to listen all of you. What do you want in that web > framework(Easy use of Database, Easy use of X

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : > Hello Everyone, > > Now, I'm working on a new web framework. I tried many test on the other > programming languages. Then i decided to use python on my web framework > project. > > Now i want to listen all of you. What do you want in that web > framework(Easy use of

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Really, really good documentation.DaveOn 20 Aug 2006 11:58:50 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Hello Everyone,Now, I'm working on a new web framework. I tried many test on the other programming languages. Then i decided to use python on my web frameworkproject.Now i want to liste

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > Now, I'm working on a new web framework. I tried many test on the other > programming languages. Then i decided to use python on my web framework > project. > > Now i want to listen all of you. What do you want in that web > framework(Easy use of Data

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In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, emrahayanoglu wrote: > Now, I'm working on a new web framework. I tried many test on the other > programming languages. Then i decided to use python on my web framework > project. > > Now i want to listen all of you. What do you want in that web > framework(Easy use of Dat

What do you want in a new web framework?

Hello Everyone, Now, I'm working on a new web framework. I tried many test on the other programming languages. Then i decided to use python on my web framework project. Now i want to listen all of you. What do you want in that web framework(Easy use of Database, Easy use of XML, GUI Designer, etc

What do you want in a new web framework?

Hello Everyone, Now, I'm working on a new web framework. I tried many test on the other programming languages. Then i decided to use python on my web framework project. Now i want to listen all of you. What do you want in that web framework(Easy use of Database, Easy use of XML, GUI Designer, etc