Re: What to use instead of nntplib?

2023-05-30 Thread Greg Ewing via Python-list
On 31/05/23 8:44 am, aapost wrote: Even if I did partake in the modern github style of code distribution, how many packages have issues where the "maintainers" inherited the package and really haven't dug deep enough in to the code to see how it really works. They have issues that sit around

Re: What to use instead of nntplib?

2023-05-30 Thread aapost
I used to run my own mail server. Now I don't. Practicality beats purity. To be quite frank, the moralistic approach of complaining about the way other people are too happy to give control to big companies is NEVER going to achieve anything. You're welcome to be a little island, that one

Re: What to use instead of nntplib?

2023-05-30 Thread Mats Wichmann
On 5/22/23 17:59, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2023-05-22, Keith Thompson wrote: My understanding is that nntplib isn't being erased from reality, it's merely being removed from the set of modules that are provided by default. I presume that once it's removed from the core, it will still be

Re: What to use instead of nntplib?

2023-05-30 Thread aapost
On 5/22/23 12:10, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2023-05-21, Retrograde wrote: Who ever came up with "Removing dead batteries" as a slogan, when some of those batteries still work perfectly well, needs to rethink it. Go ahead and remove code that no longer works, OK. But removing unpopular modules?

Re: What to use instead of nntplib?

2023-05-22 Thread Jon Ribbens via Python-list
On 2023-05-22, Skip Montanaro wrote: >> My understanding is that nntplib isn't being erased from reality, >> it's merely being removed from the set of modules that are provided >> by default. >> >> I presume that once it's removed from the core, it will still be >> possible to install it via pip

Re: What to use instead of nntplib?

2023-05-22 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2023-05-22, Keith Thompson wrote: > My understanding is that nntplib isn't being erased from reality, > it's merely being removed from the set of modules that are provided > by default. > > I presume that once it's removed from the core, it will still be > possible to install it via pip or

Re: What to use instead of nntplib?

2023-05-22 Thread Skip Montanaro
> > My understanding is that nntplib isn't being erased from reality, > it's merely being removed from the set of modules that are provided > by default. > > I presume that once it's removed from the core, it will still be > possible to install it via pip or some other mechanism. > It won't

Re: What to use instead of nntplib?

2023-05-22 Thread Keith Thompson
Grant Edwards writes: > On 2023-05-21, Retrograde wrote: >> Who ever came up with "Removing dead batteries" as a slogan, when >> some of those batteries still work perfectly well, needs to rethink >> it. Go ahead and remove code that no longer works, OK. But removing >> unpopular modules? That

Re: What to use instead of nntplib?

2023-05-22 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2023-05-21, Retrograde wrote: > Who ever came up with "Removing dead batteries" as a slogan, when > some of those batteries still work perfectly well, needs to rethink > it. Go ahead and remove code that no longer works, OK. But removing > unpopular modules? That undercuts the entire

Re: What to use instead of nntplib?

2023-05-22 Thread Retrograde
> >> See PEP 594: https://peps.python.org/pep-0594/ > > > > Thanks Cameron. > > A scary list; I must have a dozen projects from the late 90s still > > live that are using many of these! I'm glad I'm retired and won't > > be the one who has to fix 'em :-) > > It has been pointed out to me that

Re: What to use instead of nntplib?

2023-05-19 Thread Retrograde
> > Yes, me for one, a good newsreader is really a wonderful way to manage > > technical 'lists' like this one. > > IMO, there's nothing better. Newsreaders were designed from the > beginning to deal with the sort of traffic and usage patterns seen in > mailing lists. Using an MUA (even

Re: What to use instead of nntplib?

2023-05-16 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2023-05-16, Chris Green wrote: > Grizzy Adams wrote: >> Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 9:26, Alan Gauld wrote: >> Re: What to use instead of nntplib? (at least in part) >> >> >On 15/05/2023 22:11, Grant Edwards wrote: >> >> I got a nice warnin

Re: What to use instead of nntplib?

2023-05-16 Thread Chris Green
Grizzy Adams wrote: > Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 9:26, Alan Gauld wrote: > Re: What to use instead of nntplib? (at least in part) > > >On 15/05/2023 22:11, Grant Edwards wrote: > >> I got a nice warning today from the inews utility I use daily: > >> >

Re: What to use instead of nntplib?

2023-05-16 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2023-05-16, Alan Gauld wrote: > On 16/05/2023 10:06, Cameron Simpson wrote: > >>> I'm curious as to why nntplib is deprecated? Surely there are still a >>> lot of nntp servers around, both inside and outside corporate firewalls? Anything not used to develop AI is going to be depricated. An AI

Re: What to use instead of nntplib?

2023-05-16 Thread Mats Wichmann
On 5/15/23 20:12, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2023-05-15, Skip Montanaro wrote: I got a nice warning today from the inews utility I use daily: DeprecationWarning: 'nntplib' is deprecated and slated for removal in Python 3.13 What should I use in place of nntplib? I'd recommend

Re: What to use instead of nntplib?

2023-05-16 Thread Alan Gauld
On 16/05/2023 10:06, Cameron Simpson wrote: >> I'm curious as to why nntplib is deprecated? Surely there are still a >> lot of nntp servers around, both inside and outside corporate firewalls? >> Is there a problem with the module or is it just perceived as no longer >> required? > > See PEP

Re: What to use instead of nntplib?

2023-05-16 Thread Grizzy Adams via Python-list
Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 9:26, Alan Gauld wrote: Re: What to use instead of nntplib? (at least in part) >On 15/05/2023 22:11, Grant Edwards wrote: >> I got a nice warning today from the inews utility I use daily: >> >> DeprecationWarning: 'nntplib' is deprecated a

Re: What to use instead of nntplib?

2023-05-16 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 16May2023 09:26, Alan Gauld wrote: On 15/05/2023 22:11, Grant Edwards wrote: I got a nice warning today from the inews utility I use daily: DeprecationWarning: 'nntplib' is deprecated and slated for removal in Python 3.13 What should I use in place of nntplib? I'm curious as to why

Re: What to use instead of nntplib?

2023-05-16 Thread Alan Gauld
On 15/05/2023 22:11, Grant Edwards wrote: > I got a nice warning today from the inews utility I use daily: > > DeprecationWarning: 'nntplib' is deprecated and slated for removal in > Python 3.13 > > What should I use in place of nntplib? I'm curious as to why nntplib is deprecated? Surely

Re: What to use instead of nntplib?

2023-05-15 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2023-05-15, Skip Montanaro wrote: >> I got a nice warning today from the inews utility I use daily: >> >> DeprecationWarning: 'nntplib' is deprecated and slated for >> removal in Python 3.13 >> >> What should I use in place of nntplib? > > I'd recommend creating a PyPI project with the

Re: What to use instead of nntplib?

2023-05-15 Thread Skip Montanaro
> I got a nice warning today from the inews utility I use daily: > > DeprecationWarning: 'nntplib' is deprecated and slated for removal in > Python 3.13 > > What should I use in place of nntplib? I'd recommend creating a PyPI project with the existing 3.12 code, then using that from 3.13

What to use instead of nntplib?

2023-05-15 Thread Grant Edwards
I got a nice warning today from the inews utility I use daily: DeprecationWarning: 'nntplib' is deprecated and slated for removal in Python 3.13 What should I use in place of nntplib? -- Grant -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list