Corey Richardson wrote:
What are those gaps?
That depends on what you consider to be essential.
Things I would like to add include:
* Combo box
* Group box
* Tab panel (aka "notebook")
* Table view
* Tree view
* Rich text editor
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On 03/02/2011 07:40 PM, Gregory Ewing wrote:
> Octavian Rasnita wrote:
>
>> How complete is this GUI lib compared with others that can be used in
>> Python apps?
>
> It has most of the basic things you would want. There are one
> or two gaps, and I'm working on filling them.
What are those gaps
Octavian Rasnita wrote:
How complete is this GUI lib compared with others that can be used in
Python apps?
It has most of the basic things you would want. There are one
or two gaps, and I'm working on filling them.
"Get the library and its documentation included in the core Python
distributi
Terry Reedy wrote:
PyGui seems to be purely a gui package, but it appear to be aimed only
at 2.x with no interest in 3.x.
I'm working on 3.x conversion right now and should have
something ready soon.
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rantingrick wrote:
All we have to do is create an abstraction API that
calls wxPython until we can create OUR OWN wxPython from WxWidgets.
There seems to be at least one other project around
like that:
http://dabodev.com/
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On 23 Jan, 01:07, rantingrick wrote:
> It is time to prove once and for all how dated and worthless Tkinter
> is compared to wxPython. Yes, WxPython is not as advanced as i would
> like it to be for a 21st century GUI library.
So use PyQt instead.
> However compared to
> Tkinter, Wx is light ye
rantingrick wrote:
> To be honest, i would sacrifice all the functionality of
> wxWidgets if we could get pyGUI into the stdlib. Why? Well because
> pyGUI would be under OUR complete control.
"You" would need to contribute something other than bullshit and
vitriol in order to be able to use the w
On Jan 28, 9:15 am, "Littlefield, Tyler" wrote:
>
> If you want to rant and scream about accessibility, yell at the
> people charging an arm and a leg to make things accessible.
>
You make a good point as we could always use more opensource, free,
and reasonably priced software. However unless th
>Are you a representative voice for all the screen reader users? (Even
though
>most of them use JAWS that you don't seem to like)
Newsflash: I didn't say I didn't like Jaws, and I'm using Jaws -right
now-. I don't like jaws and see a lot of future for NVDA as it is both
free and open source. I
On Jan 27, 10:47 pm, Grant Edwards wrote:
> So you're saying that you don't see any value in easing communication,
> nor presumably in communication itself?
A Goedel-ian meta-recursion problem here Grant:
You want to communicate the need for communication to one who does not
see the need/value o
On 1/25/11 12:04 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 12:24:24 -0800, Robin Dunn wrote:
On Jan 24, 12:03 pm, rantingrick wrote:
On Jan 24, 1:57 pm, Robin Dunn wrote:
BTW, on behalf of the wxPython community I'd like to apologize for
the havoc caused by the flaming troll escaping f
Rick:
> Man look at the state of Tkinter. Look at the bugs and mediocre code i
> exposed. Are you going to set there with a strait face and tell me
> many people are using Tkinter. Come on Kevin, be realistic!
Tyler:
> You also uncovered bugs in WX (remember those segfaults, RR)?
Yes i do, and i
On 1/28/11 12:35 PM, rantingrick wrote:
> The fact remains.
The word "fact" does not mean what you think it means.
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>Man look at the state of Tkinter. Look at the bugs and mediocre code i
>exposed. Are you going to set there with a strait face and tell me
>many people are using Tkinter. Come on Kevin, be realistic!
You also uncovered bugs in WX (remember those segfaults, RR)?
On 1/28/2011 1:35 PM, rantingrick w
On Jan 28, 2:37 pm, Terry Reedy wrote:
> On 1/28/2011 3:33 AM, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
> > "Get the library and its documentation included in the core Python
> > distribution, so that truly cross-platform GUI applications may be written
> > that will run on any Python installation, anywhere."
>
>
On Jan 28, 10:16 am, Kevin Walzer wrote:
> On 1/28/11 9:18 AM, rantingrick wrote:
>
> > Everyone on this list knows that Kevin and myself are the *only*
> > people who know how to wield Tkinter past some simple utility GUI's.
>
> I strongly disagree with this statement.
Whether you agree or disag
On 1/28/2011 3:33 AM, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
From: "Terry Reedy"
For example: pygui pretty much uses native widgets on Windows and OX and
gtk (I believe) on *nix. How is the accessibility of those widget sets
*as
accessed through pygui*? Is it different from the 'native' accessibility
of each
On Jan 28, 9:52 am, Grant Edwards wrote:
> [plonk]
Why is it necessarily for you guys to advertise when you plonk. Just
plonk and shut up about it. Nobody cares what you do with your own
incoming email. Really, are you that self centered as to think we
actually care?
[zing]
--
http://mail.pyt
On 28/01/2011 08:34, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
From: "Littlefield, Tyler"
what >JAWS
Tyler, did I used bad words in my posts as you do now?
I didn't, but the other list members told me that my atitude is not good,
that I am not civilized, because I have a different opinion than them.
I am sure
On 1/28/11 6:18 AM, rantingrick wrote:
> On Jan 27, 12:13 pm, Stephen Hansen wrote:
>
>> Seriously. Octavian's attitude in this thread makes me want to go use
>> Tkinter just to spite him. And I'm net-buds with Tyler, and I'm working
>> on a project that I thought accessibility for the blind was
On Jan 28, 10:16 am, Kevin Walzer wrote:
> On 1/28/11 9:18 AM, rantingrick wrote:
>
> > Everyone on this list knows that Kevin and myself are the *only*
> > people who know how to wield Tkinter past some simple utility GUI's.
>
> I strongly disagree with this statement.
>
(BTW, Kevin, Congrats on
On 1/28/11 9:18 AM, rantingrick wrote:
Everyone on this list knows that Kevin and myself are the *only*
people who know how to wield Tkinter past some simple utility GUI's.
I strongly disagree with this statement.
--Kevin
--
Kevin Walzer
Code by Kevin
http://www.codebykevin.com
--
http://mai
On 2011-01-28, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
> From: "Grant Edwards"
>> A very important way to help would be to test accessibility features
>> and post accurate, detailed, bug-reports.
> I am willing to do that. I have tested that program made with
> WxPython and I have posted here what I found,
The
On 2011-01-28, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
> From: "Stephen Hansen"
>> Seriously. Octavian's attitude in this thread makes me want to go use
>> Tkinter just to spite him.
>
> Oh yes? And this would probably mean that your atitude is a very good
> and normal one, right?
Good? No.
Normal? Yes.
I'm b
On Jan 28, 8:18 am, rantingrick wrote:
> On Jan 27, 12:13 pm, Stephen Hansen wrote:
>
> > Seriously. Octavian's attitude in this thread makes me want to go use
> > Tkinter just to spite him. And I'm net-buds with Tyler, and I'm working
> > on a project that I thought accessibility for the blind w
On 2011-01-28, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
> How can we talk about etiquette when exactly this etiquette is the one that
> needs to be changed?
Huh?
> As you say, the etiquette is in favor of the preferences of the majority,
> but how should react someone, what he/she should say in order to make th
On Jan 27, 3:49 pm, "Littlefield, Tyler" wrote:
> >Yes but his silence speaks louder than words. He is saying " While i
> >won't defend Tkinter publicly, i won't promote any others as well".
> That's the best translation I've ever heard: taking silence and
> diverting it into your own meaning fo
On Jan 27, 12:13 pm, Stephen Hansen wrote:
> Seriously. Octavian's attitude in this thread makes me want to go use
> Tkinter just to spite him. And I'm net-buds with Tyler, and I'm working
> on a project that I thought accessibility for the blind was very
> important for. But no more!
Well Steph
On Jan 28, 2:33 am, "Octavian Rasnita" wrote:
> From: "Terry Reedy"
>
> > For example: pygui pretty much uses native widgets on Windows and OX and
> > gtk (I believe) on *nix. How is the accessibility of those widget sets *as
> > accessed through pygui*? Is it different from the 'native' accessib
From: "Littlefield, Tyler"
>Yes but his silence speaks louder than words. He is saying " While i
>won't defend Tkinter publicly, i won't promote any others as well".
That's the best translation I've ever heard: taking silence and diverting
it into your own meaning for what you want it to mean.
From: "Littlefield, Tyler"
>* Disclaimer: You are stupid if you think this is true. But seriously,
>Octavian makes it REALLY hard to continue caring about something that I
>actually cared about before and thought was important.
When I told about what the community of the blind from my country
From: "Stephen Hansen"
Seriously. Octavian's attitude in this thread makes me want to go use
Tkinter just to spite him.
Oh yes? And this would probably mean that your atitude is a very good and
normal one, right?
Octavian
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From: "rusi"
Its quite clear to everyone here that
-- Octavian has no interest in a 21st century snazzy-looking toolkit
Oh well I am interested, but with the condition that toolkit to be
accessible, however Tkinter is not.
Is it too much to expect from a "21st century snazzy-looking toolkit" to
>Yes but his silence speaks louder than words. He is saying " While i
>won't defend Tkinter publicly, i won't promote any others as well".
That's the best translation I've ever heard: taking silence and
diverting it into your own meaning for what you want it to mean.
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>Exactly what I said. They are doing the same mistake as I did 20 years
ago.
and are still making now... Lack of English and grammar isn't the
problem...
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From: "alex23"
"Octavian Rasnita" wrote:
Ok, in this case I understand why WxPython can't be included in stdlib.
I think there was a communication problem because the oldest list members
start with the idea that all the list members know who is who and they
may
be thinking that I don't want to
From: "Grant Edwards"
I think there are a lot of people who think that including a GUI in
the standard library was a mistake and the best solution would be to
get rid of Tkinter and replace it with nothing. If I were Guido and
thought that, I'd probably keep mum about it as well. :)
[I'm not c
From: "Terry Reedy"
wxPython is the best and most mature cross-platform GUI toolkit, given a
number of constraints. The only reason wxPython isn't the standard
Python GUI toolkit is that Tkinter was there first.
-- Guido van Rossum
(from http://www.wxpython.org/quotes.php)
Of course, that is
From: "Corey Richardson"
wxPython is the best and most mature cross-platform GUI toolkit, given a
number of constraints. The only reason wxPython isn't the standard
Python GUI toolkit is that Tkinter was there first.
-- Guido van Rossum
Oh, how can Guido say this about that bad WxPython that
From: "Littlefield, Tyler"
>Because healthy Linux users ARE NOT equal to handicapped people!
O? I bet I could run circles around RR in the shell, any day. Why are you
trying to promote accessibility for a group of people you consider not
equal to a group of "healthy" people?
What do you mean
From: "Littlefield, Tyler"
what >JAWS
Tyler, did I used bad words in my posts as you do now?
I didn't, but the other list members told me that my atitude is not good,
that I am not civilized, because I have a different opinion than them.
I am sure *nobody* will tell you that thing even though
From: "Grant Edwards"
A very important way to help would be to test accessibility features
and post accurate, detailed, bug-reports.
I am willing to do that. I have tested that program made with WxPython and I
have posted here what I found, hoping that there will appear a Tkinter-based
app t
From: "Giampaolo Rodolà"
...
py2exe offers the following installation kits, depending on the Python
version. If you know, please tell me why there are different packages for
different versions of Python?
py2exe-0.6.9.win32-py2.5.exe
py2exe-0.6.9.win32-py2.4.exe
py2exe-0.6.9.win32-py2.3.exe
py2e
From: "Terry Reedy"
For example: pygui pretty much uses native widgets on Windows and OX and
gtk (I believe) on *nix. How is the accessibility of those widget sets *as
accessed through pygui*? Is it different from the 'native' accessibility
of each of those set?
Thank you for telling about th
From: "Grant Edwards"
You said that you don't care about convincing anybody either that
accessibility is import or about convincing anybody to do anything
about it. To me that means you don't care about accessiblity.
And you are wrong. If you don't try to convince someone that Python is a
go
From: "Grant Edwards"
So you're saying that you don't see any value in easing communication,
nor presumably in communication itself?
No, I don't want to say that, but I want to say that if it is obviously that
the others don't care about the main issue discussed, then the communication
just fo
rantingrick wrote:
> different choices OUTSIDE the stdlib. INSIDE the stdlib we have no
> choice. Just wanted to make that clear.
Because packaging a dependency with your application is an arcane art
lost to modern times?
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"Octavian Rasnita" wrote:
> Ok, in this case I understand why WxPython can't be included in stdlib.
> I think there was a communication problem because the oldest list members
> start with the idea that all the list members know who is who and they may
> be thinking that I don't want to accept the
On 01/27/2011 09:53 PM, alex23 wrote:
> rantingrick wrote:
>> You'll need to read that snippet in context to understand what i was
>> talking about. Again, see my "tip of the day" in my last post to you.
>
> Pass. I'd have to see value in what you say inside of the endless
> masturbatory self-agg
rantingrick wrote:
> You'll need to read that snippet in context to understand what i was
> talking about. Again, see my "tip of the day" in my last post to you.
Pass. I'd have to see value in what you say inside of the endless
masturbatory self-aggrandizement that you pass off as "visionary"
pos
On 28/01/2011 00:54, rantingrick AKA "Brian" wrote:
Yes the minor details have been evolving over the course of this and
another thread. We have been floating new ideas all along the way in
an effort to get the best result. In the very beginning because we all
know that wxPython IS HUGE i offered
On Jan 27, 5:50 pm, Kevin Walzer wrote:
> On 1/27/11 1:11 PM, rantingrick wrote:
[...]
Hello again Kevin and nice to have you back!
Yes the minor details have been evolving over the course of this and
another thread. We have been floating new ideas all along the way in
an effort to get the best
On 1/27/2011 4:48 PM, Corey Richardson wrote:
wxPython is the best and most mature cross-platform GUI toolkit, given a
number of constraints. The only reason wxPython isn't the standard
Python GUI toolkit is that Tkinter was there first.
-- Guido van Rossum
(from http://www.wxpython.org/quotes.
On 1/27/11 1:11 PM, rantingrick wrote:
Actually we don't want "Robins wxPython" in the stdlib "as is" anyway.
What we DO want is an abstraction API for the short term that plugs
into Robin's wx. Then over the long term we will either convince him
to create a better API OR just create our own wxPy
On 1/27/2011 2:28 PM rantingrick said...
And by
removing Tkinter not only would we take a huge burden from py-dev but
we would also free Tkinter from the chains of stdlib.
Actually, IIRC, very little effort is put into maintaining tkinter by
the py-dev crowd. I think I saw a post by Martin th
On 01/27/2011 05:08 PM, rantingrick wrote:
>> wxPython is the best and most mature cross-platform GUI toolkit, given a
>> number of constraints. The only reason wxPython isn't the standard
>> Python GUI toolkit is that Tkinter was there first.
>> -- Guido van Rossum
>
> You forgot to put a date on
On Jan 27, 3:54 pm, Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2011-01-27, rantingrick wrote:
>
> >> AS far as I know, Guido has never recommended any particular gui and I
> >> believe he has avoided doing so when asked.
>
> > Yes but his silence speaks louder than words. He is saying " While i
> > won't defend T
On Jan 27, 3:48 pm, Corey Richardson wrote:
> A weak argument - yes. But the thought is there, and it's the thought
> that counts, right? ;-)
What thought? It screams lack of thought to me. We should just ignore
a clearly better option because some other option was chosen first,
THATS IT? Thats
On Jan 27, 3:48 pm, Corey Richardson wrote:
> On 01/27/2011 04:10 PM, rantingrick wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 27, 2:00 pm, Terry Reedy wrote:
> >> On 1/27/2011 12:54 PM, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
>
> >>> Everything that's not accessible is not recommended.
>
> >> By you. We get that.
>
> >>
On 1/27/2011 1:38 PM rantingrick said...
Continuing to lug Tkinter around
is killing Python's evolution.
Huh? Can you provide a reference where someone passed over python
because of tkinter's inclusion in the standard library?
You certainly can't mean that python's evolution over the past
On 2011-01-27, rantingrick wrote:
>> AS far as I know, Guido has never recommended any particular gui and I
>> believe he has avoided doing so when asked.
>
> Yes but his silence speaks louder than words. He is saying " While i
> won't defend Tkinter publicly, i won't promote any others as well".
On 01/27/2011 04:10 PM, rantingrick wrote:
> On Jan 27, 2:00 pm, Terry Reedy wrote:
>> On 1/27/2011 12:54 PM, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
>>
>>> Everything that's not accessible is not recommended.
>>
>> By you. We get that.
>>
>> >Tkinter should be at most accepted because there is no better solutio
On Jan 27, 3:19 pm, Emile van Sebille wrote:
> On 1/27/2011 12:47 PM rantingrick said...
>
> > different choices OUTSIDE the stdlib. INSIDE the stdlib we have no
> > choice. Just wanted to make that clear.
>
> Only when you restrict yourself to the artificial restriction of 'no
> third party downl
On 1/27/2011 12:47 PM rantingrick said...
different choices OUTSIDE the stdlib. INSIDE the stdlib we have no
choice. Just wanted to make that clear.
Only when you restrict yourself to the artificial restriction of 'no
third party downloads allowed -- python must supply the right choice for
m
On Jan 27, 2:00 pm, Terry Reedy wrote:
> On 1/27/2011 12:54 PM, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
>
> > Everything that's not accessible is not recommended.
>
> By you. We get that.
>
> >Tkinter should be at most accepted because there is no better solution,
>
> As I said at the beginning of this thread, t
On Jan 27, 2:00 pm, Terry Reedy wrote:
> AS far as I know, Guido has never recommended any particular gui and I
> believe he has avoided doing so when asked. He is happy that there are
> different choices.
different choices OUTSIDE the stdlib. INSIDE the stdlib we have no
choice. Just wanted to
On 1/27/2011 12:57 PM, Grant Edwards wrote:
A very important way to help would be to test accessibility features
and post accurate, detailed, bug-reports.
For example: pygui pretty much uses native widgets on Windows and OX and
gtk (I believe) on *nix. How is the accessibility of those widget
>Because healthy Linux users ARE NOT equal to handicapped people!
O? I bet I could run circles around RR in the shell, any day. Why are
you trying to promote accessibility for a group of people you consider
not equal to a group of "healthy" people?
--
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/py
On 1/27/2011 12:54 PM, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
Everything that's not accessible is not recommended.
By you. We get that.
>Tkinter should be at most accepted because there is no better solution,
As I said at the beginning of this thread, tkinter is currently the only
option. What would have h
Terry Reedy wrote:
> > 1. The performance issues of having Tk use Tcl are negligible; the bulk
> > of Tk (code-wise and time-wise) are spent in C. Tcl itself is also very
> > fast nowadays, using all the usual techniques that modern dynamic
> > languages use.
>
> I have the impression that tcl
On 27.01.2011 19:33, rantingrick wrote:
Please don't use the lower accessibility percentage to prop up the low
Linux percentage in an attempt to win your argument. Because healthy
Linux users ARE NOT equal to handicapped people!
Please don't put words into my mouth, idiot. And read my complete
On 1/27/2011 12:31 PM, Mark Roseman wrote:
Terry Reedy wrote:
Tk itself is purely a gui package -- abstract widgits, geometry placers
to make them visible, and an event system to make them active. But it
does have the baggage of needing tcl included. About a decade ago, some
people had the id
On Jan 27, 11:45 pm, rantingrick wrote:
>
> When has Octavian been uncivil? This lecture of Octavian is ludicris!
> You are such a friendly totalitarian, how do you keep a strait face --
> Col. Hans Landa?
And this mutual 'support' between Octavian and Ranter is ludicris(sic)
Its quite clear to
On 1/27/11 10:11 AM, rantingrick wrote:
> On Jan 27, 1:28 am, "Octavian Rasnita" wrote:
>> But WxPython is their work and they decision is their.
> Actually we
The word "we" does not mean what you think it means.
--
Stephen Hansen
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... Mail: me+list/python (AT) ixokai
On Jan 27, 11:47 am, Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2011-01-27, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
> If you don't care about communicating with others, then being civil
> probably does have no value (except for keeping a job or being
> avoiding being beaten up on the playground). If you want to
> communicate (
>* Disclaimer: You are stupid if you think this is true. But seriously,
>Octavian makes it REALLY hard to continue caring about something that I
>actually cared about before and thought was important.
People like Octavian do that. Sadly, it is one of the things holding the
blind community back. I
> It might be true, however I have seen some modules that say that are ment for
> Python 2.5, for 2.6 or for 2.7, so there seem to be differences between these
> versions also.
Python cares *a lot* about maintaining backward compatibiilty between
all major versions.
This is so true that I manage
On Jan 26, 1:16 pm, Alexander Kapps wrote:
> Please don't use the lower Linux user percentage as an argument
> here. If you follow that path further, you would need to agree that
> it's only an "insignificant" percent of people who need a screen
> reader, so why bother?
Please don't use the low
On 1/27/2011 10:09 AM Octavian Rasnita said...
From: "Emile van Sebille"
On 1/26/2011 11:02 PM Octavian Rasnita said...
As we all know, Python doesn't care too much about maintaining a
backward compatibility
Where'd you get this idea? Between v2 and v3 yes, that was the intent.
To be sinc
On Jan 27, 2:17 am, "Octavian Rasnita" wrote:
> From: "Littlefield, Tyler"
[...]
> > Then when that fails, you try cramming
> > words in people's mouth to make them feel like they kick puppies, and to
> > bring everyone else to this same conclusion.
Tyler no one can *make* you *feel* like anyt
On Jan 27, 2:13 am, "Octavian Rasnita" wrote:
> > You may not like it, but that's a fact. If you are in favor of XYZ,
> > and act rude and insulting while espousing XYZ, people will react
> > against not only you but _also_ XYZ.
>
> I know what you are reffering to. :-)
> And I was hoping that t
>Tyler, you are a Linux and Mac user and you search with Google and try to
>explain how many things you know about NVDA, but it is obviously that
what >JAWS
1) Because you, your crew, and your group on a specific forum doesn't
like ESpeak doesn't disqualify an entire reader. The eloquence fixes
On Jan 27, 1:28 am, "Octavian Rasnita" wrote:
> From: "Brendan Simon (eTRIX)"
>
> > Since it seems the python motto is "Batteries included", then it would
> > seem to me that wxPython is the natural fit as it also has "Batteries
> > included" (e.g. accessibility, native look-n-feel, mature and ev
On 1/27/11 9:55 AM, Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2011-01-27, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
>> From: "Grant Edwards"
>>> People will not separate your personality from the cause you espouse.
>>
>> Wow! that's really bad.
>
> It's less than ideal, but it the way people are.
>
> Is that a surprise to you?
From: "Littlefield, Tyler"
> >We are talking about accessibility here. Are you saying that Tkinter
> can be >recommended from the perspective of accessibility?
> See my comment about shoving words in people's mouths; I did not hint,
> nor did I come near saying that in that message.
But you as
From: "Emile van Sebille"
> On 1/26/2011 11:02 PM Octavian Rasnita said...
>
>> As we all know, Python doesn't care too much about maintaining a
>> backward compatibility
>
> Where'd you get this idea? Between v2 and v3 yes, that was the intent.
To be sincere I was thinking to the differences
On 2011-01-27, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
> From: Octavian,
>
>> If I understand your message, you are frustrated with Tkinter because
>> it doesn't support accessability.
>>
>> In several messages on this thread I pointed out that Tkinter can
>> easily be made accessable under Linux and Mac OS X.
>
On 2011-01-27, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
> From: "Grant Edwards"
>> And, based on your behavior, you apparently don't like convincing
>> others or advancing the cause of accessibility. It seems you prefer to
>> annoy and alienate others.
>
>>From what I said, what was annoying?
>
>>> I don't want
On 2011-01-27, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
> Yes you might be right. It is just my way of communicating and it
> might be too direct and some people might not like it.
Too direct is putting it mildly.
> I always consider the expressions like "How do you do" as having
> absolutely no value, because
Terry Reedy wrote:
> Tk itself is purely a gui package -- abstract widgits, geometry placers
> to make them visible, and an event system to make them active. But it
> does have the baggage of needing tcl included. About a decade ago, some
> people had the idea of removing the tcl dependency, b
On Jan 27, 3:35 am, rantingrick wrote:
A certain small subset of any group will always be emotionally driven.
However we should not concern ourselves with this sort of non-
objectivity.
So, would this be like when rr disqualified himself by demanding posters
have at least a 120 IQ? ;)
~Eth
From: "Littlefield, Tyler"
> >It doesn't support a good voice synthesizer like Eloquence or IBM Via
> voice
> Eloq is an add-on, but it does support it.
If you are saying this, it means that you haven't used it for a long time, or
you just heard about it by searching on the web. Eloq is support
From: "Littlefield, Tyler"
> >but what's wrong is that Python promotes a GUI which is not accessible
> by including it as a default GUI.
> You seem to have overlooked this multiple times and instead decided to
> shove words in my mouth and continue on your line of selfishness which
> is justifi
On 1/26/11 11:02 PM, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
> As we all know, Python doesn't care too much about maintaining a
> backward compatibility
What? Nonsense.
There are strict compatibility requirements.
There was a one-time break with these; 2.x->3.x -- but that's it. It may
never happen again. If an
On 1/26/2011 11:02 PM Octavian Rasnita said...
As we all know, Python doesn't care too much about maintaining a
backward compatibility
Where'd you get this idea? Between v2 and v3 yes, that was the intent.
But otherwise, I think there's another miscommunication behind this...
See http://w
>We are talking about accessibility here. Are you saying that Tkinter
can be >recommended from the perspective of accessibility?
See my comment about shoving words in people's mouths; I did not hint,
nor did I come near saying that in that message.
On 1/27/2011 1:17 AM, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
Eloq is an add-on, but it does support it.
>but only eSpeak which sounds horrible
That's your personal preference. Plenty use and like ESpeak.
>it doesn't have a scripting language ready to use as JAWS and Window
Eyes do,
Scripting is done in Python, (no, not some native scripting language),
and
>but what's wrong is that Python promotes a GUI which is not accessible
by including it as a default GUI.
You seem to have overlooked this multiple times and instead decided to
shove words in my mouth and continue on your line of selfishness which
is justified
apparently now by the fact that you
From:
Octavian,
If I understand your message, you are frustrated with Tkinter because it
doesn't support accessability.
In several messages on this thread I pointed out that Tkinter can easily
be made accessable under Linux and Mac OS X.
Rather than throw out Tkinter entirely, why not work wi
Octavian,
If I understand your message, you are frustrated with Tkinter because it
doesn't support accessability.
In several messages on this thread I pointed out that Tkinter can easily
be made accessable under Linux and Mac OS X.
Rather than throw out Tkinter entirely, why not work with the co
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