Kay Schluehr wrote:
The new Python site is incredibly boring. Sorry to say this. The old
site is/was amateurish but engaged. Now after ~15 years of existence
Pythons looks like it wants to be popular among directors of a german
job centers. It aims to do everything right but what could be
On 2/2/06, Michael Sparks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[1] NB: I **really** wouldn't go to python.com, I REALLY wasn'texpecting that (REALLY)
. I wouldn't even p y t h o n . c o m -- gmail keeps throwing these into the spam bucket .-- American Dream
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
A.M. Kuchling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 27 Jan 2006 08:08:58 -0800,
Michael Tobis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What about some permutation of the PyCon logo? It is really quite
brilliant.
http://www.python.org/pycon/2006/logo.png
Kudos to whoever came up
robin wrote:
Steve Holden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How does
http://beta.python.org/about/beginners/
look?
There are several things wrong with the interface.
First, I count seven ways of formatting a link. This is approximately
five too many and can be fixed as follows.
For
robin wrote:
Overall, the look is very safe corporate. I myself would have gone
for a funkier (though still elegant) look. The energy of the Python
community is not being communicated. The vim of the language is
diluted. This is not playing to Python's strengths.
Yes, i have been known to
Steve Holden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How does
http://beta.python.org/about/beginners/
look?
There are several things wrong with the interface.
First, I count seven ways of formatting a link. This is approximately
five too many and can be fixed as follows.
For Beginners is italicised,
On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 09:47:20 -0800
Scott David Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Terry Hancock wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:44:19 -0800
Scott David Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Paragraph 3 in Why Python:
and later in that paragraph, I'd change:
... extensions that provide
Terry Hancock [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Of course, in the original concept, the interviewer is the
straight man asking Allen's character about the obviously
esoteric and high-tech field of computers for which someone
like him is obviously not qualified. His statement that
his Aunt has a
Steve Holden wrote:
How does
http://beta.python.org/about/beginners/
look?
regards
Steve
Hi, I'm an actualy Python beginner, decided recently to play with
Python. I'm a user, not a professional programmer or developer of any
sort, so I guess the beginner's page would be aimed at
I'd like to see the use of Python grow as dramatically as it
deserves to. As I see it, there are at least three major categories
of web visitors that we need to cater to:
- Existing python users
- Potential python users
- Managers
The current site's front page seems to be aimed mainly at existing
Terry Hancock wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:44:19 -0800
Scott David Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Paragraph 3 in Why Python:
and later in that paragraph, I'd change:
... extensions that provide compact numerical
solutions
to:
... extensions that provide compact high-speed
On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:57:05 +
Steve Holden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How does
http://beta.python.org/about/beginners/
look?
Better than it did. ;-)
No, it looks great. I think you're hitting approximately the
right tone here. That first paragraph may be a bit too curt
about new to
Michael Tobis wrote:
I like the design, though I'd prefer stronger colors. I think it would
be a major improvement except for the logo.
[Much reasoning about logos, Sun, Microsoft Office...]
With the nice font they've used, I don't understand why they didn't
turn the p into a snake itself. I'm
Paddy wrote:
I find it much better than the current site, thank you!
Whilst reading, http://beta.python.org/about/ I had some slight
niggles.
What do you think about the following changes?
About Python
Python is an agile programming language often compared to Tcl, Perl,
Ruby, Scheme
Shalabh Chaturvedi wrote:
Steve Holden wrote:
How does
http://beta.python.org/about/beginners/
look?
Steve,
This is a great writeup. Here are my comments:
1. Fortunately Python is something that an experienced programmer of
another language (be it ...
Add C# and/or Java
Michael Tobis wrote:
I like the design, though I'd prefer stronger colors. I think it would
be a major improvement except for the logo.
big snip
So, are you saying you don't like the new logo?
I'm with you. I don't like it either. It looks like a diagram out of the
well known Anguine Kama
Python is an agile programming language often compared to Tcl, Perl,
Ruby, Scheme or Java. While it has much in common with them it also has
unique features that set it apart.
James Stroud wrote:
Maybe:
Python is an object oriented programming language designed to increase
productivity.
The new Python site is incredibly boring. Sorry to say this. The old
site is/was amateurish but engaged. Now after ~15 years of existence
Pythons looks like it wants to be popular among directors of a german
job centers. It aims to do everything right but what could be said
worse? The text on the
On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:33:06 +,
Steve Holden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://beta.python.org/about/beginners/
My suggestion would be too much text. IMHO, people do not read
paragraphs of material on the web. The basic structure shouldn't be
the paragraph, but the bullet point.
On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:28:50 -0800 in comp.lang.python, James Stroud
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Rocco Moretti wrote:
(Not that I like the logo, mind you...)
Does anyone? There has to be a better logo! I thought the previous
requirement as established by the BDFL was no snakes. These are snakes,
Steve Holden wrote:
How does
http://beta.python.org/about/beginners/
look?
I think it's a well written text, but it looks more like
an introductionary chapter in a book about Python than a
text for a web site. A book looks the same for all its
readers, and it's basically sequential.
Dave Hansen wrote:
I like it, FWIW. Better than a dead parrot or a killer rabbit IMHO.
Though maybe not as funny...
Why not just take the Parrot logo and rotate it by 90 degrees? ;-)
http://www.parrotcode.org/
Paul
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On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:33:06 + in comp.lang.python, Steve Holden
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Shalabh Chaturvedi wrote:
[...]
2. also available as the python-list mailing list
Add or a google group (link).
It's not a Google Group, it's a Usenet newsgroup. Google merely
provides a lousy but
Paul Boddie wrote:
With the nice font they've used, I don't understand why they didn't
turn the p into a snake itself. I'm sure I've seen that done
somewhere before.
You're probably thinking of PyPy:
http://codespeak.net/pypy/dist/pypy/doc/news.html
--
What about some permutation of the PyCon logo? It is really quite
brilliant.
Solves many problems:
dynamic, doesn't just sit there, looks like it is moving toward a
goal
direction of motion surprising and memorable
refers to software in the minds of experienced coders
takes
Steve Holden wrote:
How does
http://beta.python.org/about/beginners/
look?
regards
Steve
I think the content is good, but I would suggest putting some bullet
points with links at the top. IMO top part of the beginner page should
somehow indicate that tutorial and FAQ is accessible
Magnus Lycka wrote:
...
I don't like anyone to hand me different texts based on whom
I say I am. I want to know what the texts are about and decide
for myself where to go. These are texts, not dressing rooms!
Unfortunately most people do.. That's why there are beginners books,
business
On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 09:30:20 -0600
Rocco Moretti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Paul Boddie wrote:
With the nice font they've used, I don't understand why
they didn't turn the p into a snake itself. I'm sure
I've seen that done somewhere before.
You're probably thinking of PyPy:
Huh.
Seems
On 27 Jan 2006 08:08:58 -0800,
Michael Tobis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What about some permutation of the PyCon logo? It is really quite
brilliant.
...
http://www.python.org/pycon/2006/logo.png
Kudos to whoever came up with that, by the way!
It was Michael Bernstein who designed
Steve Holden wrote:
How does
http://beta.python.org/about/beginners/
look?
regards
Steve
I agree that links need better contrast (if you are taking over the
page coloring; you might consider avoiding that as well as font spec).
In the initial paragraph:
Welcome! Are you
On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:44:19 -0800
Scott David Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Paragraph 3 in Why Python:
Some people uppose because Python ...
I'd prefer the word suppose.
and later in that paragraph, I'd change:
... extensions that provide compact numerical
solutions
to:
Shalabh Chaturvedi wrote:
2. also available as the python-list mailing list
Add or a google group (link).
Steve Holden wrote:
Gimme the link!
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.python
You could even use the text:
also available as the python-list mailing list via a `web-based
Magnus Lycka wrote:
Perhaps the About Section should look like this?
Introduction
-What is Python [short summary]
-Getting started[a.k.a. for beginners/programmers, how to d/l etc]
-Why Python?[a.k.a. for business]
-Success Stories
-Quotes
+1
I don't quite understand
How does
http://beta.python.org/about/beginners/
look?
regards
Steve
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I am not a design professional but since you didn't ask for
professionals but for beginners ;-) ...
- At the left hand side you used abbreviations (like PSF). Using the
full name says more about the option.
- I don't like capitals alot either (as used in the menu).
- The corporate look of the
Steve Holden schrieb:
How does
http://beta.python.org/about/beginners/
look?
I like it :) Some minor points:
- The logo does indeed resemble a cross. How about rotating it at 45 deg
to make it look like an x? Or give it a circular shape? Please note
that there are no religious
Steve Holden schreef:
How does
http://beta.python.org/about/beginners/
look?
I think it's OK, apart from the fact that the font size of the text
overrides my browser's default. It looks and reads much better without
the font-size: 75%.
--
If I have been able to see further, it was
I find it much better than the current site, thank you!
Whilst reading, http://beta.python.org/about/ I had some slight
niggles.
What do you think about the following changes?
About Python
Python is an agile programming language often compared to Tcl, Perl,
Ruby, Scheme or Java. While it has
- The logo does indeed resemble a cross. How about rotating it at
45 deg
to make it look like an x? Or give it a circular shape? Please note
that there are no religious motives in this remark :)
-1. Then what are the motives? A rotated cross looks a lot less
clean. Take a look at
Tony Meyer schrieb:
- The logo does indeed resemble a cross. How about rotating it at 45 deg
to make it look like an x? Or give it a circular shape? Please note
that there are no religious motives in this remark :)
-1. Then what are the motives?
I don't like the shape. Snakes and
Peter Maas wrote:
- The logo does indeed resemble a cross. How about rotating it at 45 deg
to make it look like an x? Or give it a circular shape? Please note
that there are no religious motives in this remark :)
It looks like a plus sign to me. Do you also advocate renaming C++ to
Cxx
Peter Maas wrote:
Tony Meyer schrieb:
- The logo does indeed resemble a cross. How about rotating it at 45 deg
to make it look like an x? Or give it a circular shape? Please note
that there are no religious motives in this remark :)
-1. Then what are the motives?
I don't like
Paddy wrote:
I find it much better than the current site, thank you!
Whilst reading, http://beta.python.org/about/ I had some slight
niggles.
What do you think about the following changes?
About Python
Python is an agile programming language often compared to Tcl, Perl,
Ruby, Scheme
Rocco Moretti wrote:
(Not that I like the logo, mind you...)
Does anyone? There has to be a better logo! I thought the previous
requirement as established by the BDFL was no snakes. These are snakes,
and they have no personality to boot.
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Claudio Grondi wrote:
It looks very
commercial and has not the _fun_ and _ease_ in it I get used to face
when dealing with Python related icons.
The whole site is just as any other more or less commercial site and
even if it is sure much better than the old one, I will probably miss
the
Roel Schroeven wrote:
Steve Holden schreef:
How does
http://beta.python.org/about/beginners/
look?
I think it's OK, apart from the fact that the font size of the text
overrides my browser's default. It looks and reads much better without
the font-size: 75%.
I'll second this.
newer success stories please...
mt
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I like the design, though I'd prefer stronger colors. I think it would
be a major improvement except for the logo.
I agree with others that the logo is a serious disappointment. Although
the symmetry has some initial appeal, I do not see or want to see a
two-ness about Python, and I find it
Steve Holden wrote:
How does
http://beta.python.org/about/beginners/
look?
Steve,
This is a great writeup. Here are my comments:
1. Fortunately Python is something that an experienced programmer of
another language (be it ...
Add C# and/or Java to this list. The current list
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