On Feb 25, 10:18 am, Xah Lee wrote:
> On Feb 25, 3:34 am, nick_keighley_nos...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > the nasty cons then only appears in a single function which
> > you can hide in a library
>
> I think the following answers that.
>
> Q: If you don't like cons, lisp has arrays and hashmaps, too
On Feb 25, 3:34 am, nick_keighley_nos...@hotmail.com wrote:
> the nasty cons then only appears in a single function which
> you can hide in a library
I think the following answers that.
Q: If you don't like cons, lisp has arrays and hashmaps, too.
A: Suppose there's a lang called gisp. In gisp,
On 17 Jan, 17:16, Xah Lee wrote:
> comp.lang.lisp,comp.lang.scheme,comp.lang.functional,comp.lang.python,comp.lang.ruby
> The lisp's cons fundamentally makes nested list a pain to work with.
> Lisp's nested syntax makes functional sequencing cumbersome.
so hide it
(define (make-list stream e
On 24 Feb, 15:00, nick_keighley_nos...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On 17 Jan, 17:16, Xah Lee wrote:
> > Here's a interesting toy problem posted by Drew Krause to
> > comp.lang.lisp:
>
> >
> > On Jan 16, 2:29 pm, Drew Krause wrote [paraphrased a bit]:
>
> > OK, I want to create a
On 17 Jan, 17:16, Xah Lee wrote:
> comp.lang.lisp,comp.lang.scheme,comp.lang.functional,comp.lang.python,comp.lang.ruby
>
> Here's a interesting toy problem posted by Drew Krause to
> comp.lang.lisp:
>
>
> On Jan 16, 2:29 pm, Drew Krause wrote [paraphrased a bit]:
>
> OK,
André Thieme wrote:
> (map #(map (fn [s] (Integer/parseInt s)) (.split % "\\s")) (line-seq
> (reader "blob.txt")))
An error results:
java.lang.Exception: Unable to resolve symbol: reader in this context
This works:
(map #(map (fn [s] (Integer/parseInt s)) (.split % "\\s"))
(.split (slurp "ju
Rhodri James wrote:
> *plonk*
Please see:
• Killfile Considered Harmful
http://xahlee.org/UnixResource_dir/writ/kill_file_harmful.html
plain text version follows
---
Killfile Considered Harmful
Xah Lee, 2000-02-26
In newsgroups, killfile is a playful word meaning that
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 09:13:03 -, Xah Lee wrote:
Rhodri James wrote:
I recommend spending less time being certain that you are correct
without seeking evidence
I don't concur.
For instance, when you are talking to a bunch of kids, you have to be
sure of yourself, else they run all over yo
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 09:42:19 -, Lars Behrens
wrote:
Rhodri James wrote:
I *was* thinking of code produced in the real world, and I don't buy
your assertion. I'm not an academic, and I wouldn't hesitate to lay
down a line of code like that. As I said before, it fits into English
langua
Xah Lee wrote:
> On Jan 19, 11:17 pm, alex23 wrote:
> ...
[...]
> sure. In a political context, many criticism or description of the
> situation from one party can be seen as ad hominem attack. I feel that
> that many old emacs users, which includes significant portion of emacs
> developers (if no
Lars Behrens wrote:
> As a non-native speaker and non-academic, I don't understand the "fittine
"fitting", I meant. Sorry ^^
--
Cheerz Lars
--
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
Rhodri James wrote:
> I *was* thinking of code produced in the real world, and I don't buy
> your assertion. I'm not an academic, and I wouldn't hesitate to lay
> down a line of code like that. As I said before, it fits into English
> language idioms naturally, and as a result is pretty self-des
Rhodri James wrote:
> I recommend spending less time being certain that you are correct
> without seeking evidence
I don't concur.
For instance, when you are talking to a bunch of kids, you have to be
sure of yourself, else they run all over you, even if they didn't mean
to be rude.
Also, one's
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 04:35:22 -, Xah Lee wrote:
Xah Lee wrote:
Similarly, if you can find any evidence, say by some code researcher's
reports, that'd be great. At this point, i recall that i have read
books on such report. You might try to do research on such books and
read up.
Given that
On Jan 21, 2:35 pm, Xah Lee wrote:
> I, of course also based on my claims on personal
> experience, however, the difference is that my claim is explicitly
> made in the context of applying to the world. For example, my claim is
> not about my experiences being such and such. My claim is about such
On Jan 20, 7:51 pm, Terry Reedy wrote:
> Rhodri James wrote:
> > Computer languages are not human languages, but computer language
> > constructs do attempt to map onto human language constructs to
> > provide some measure of comprehensibility. Where a construct like
> > list comprehension maps v
Xah Lee wrote:
> > consider code produced by corporations, as opposed to with respect to
> > some academic or philsophical logical analysis. Looked in another way,
> > consider if we can compile stat of all existing pyhton code used in
> > real world, you'll find the above style is rarely used.
Rh
Rhodri James wrote:
Computer languages are not human languages, but computer language
constructs do attempt to map onto human language constructs to
provide some measure of comprehensibility. Where a construct like
list comprehension maps very well onto idiomatic English, dismissing
it as "ad h
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 03:39:45 -, Xah Lee wrote:
On Jan 19, 4:49 pm, "Rhodri James"
wrote:
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 08:31:15 -, Xah Lee wrote:
> On Jan 17, 10:25 am, Tino Wildenhain wrote:
>> > [[int(x) for x in line.split()] for line in open("blob.txt")]
> Nice (python code).
> Few comm
On Jan 19, 11:17 pm, alex23 wrote:
...
Hi Daniel Weinreb,
Xah wrote:
> • A Ruby Illustration of Lisp Problems
> http://xahlee.org/UnixResource_dir/writ/lisp_problems_by_ruby.html
Daniel Weinreb wrote:
> Xah Lee: Elisp is an interesting choice. But without converting the
> strings to integers,
On Jan 20, 1:39 pm, Xah Lee wrote:
> consider code produced by corporations, as opposed to with respect to
> some academic or philsophical logical analysis. Looked in another way,
> consider if we can compile stat of all existing pyhton code used in
> real world, you'll find the above style is rar
On Jan 19, 4:49 pm, "Rhodri James"
wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 08:31:15 -, Xah Lee wrote:
> > On Jan 17, 10:25 am, Tino Wildenhain wrote:
> >> > [[int(x) for x in line.split()] for line in open("blob.txt")]
>
> > Nice (python code).
>
> > Few comments:
>
> > • the above code is borderline o
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 08:31:15 -, Xah Lee wrote:
On Jan 17, 10:25 am, Tino Wildenhain wrote:
> [[int(x) for x in line.split()] for line in open("blob.txt")]
Nice (python code).
Few comments:
• the above code is borderline of atypical. e.g. it is not a average
python code would produce o
William James schrieb:
André Thieme wrote:
You make a very strong case that Lisp is very feeble at
processing data. I'm almost convinced.
I somehow don’t believe you :-)
Ruby isn't feeble, so data like this is fine:
shall we begin?
or lotus135? 1984 times!
The 3 stooges: COBOL,LISP,FORTR
André Thieme wrote:
> Xah Lee schrieb:
> > comp.lang.lisp,comp.lang.scheme,comp.lang.functional,comp.lang.pytho
> > n,comp.lang.ruby
> >
> > Here's a interesting toy problem posted by Drew Krause to
> > comp.lang.lisp:
> >
> >
> > On Jan 16, 2:29 pm, Drew Krause wrote [p
On Jan 17, 10:25 am, Tino Wildenhain wrote:
> > [[int(x) for x in line.split()] for line in open("blob.txt")]
Nice (python code).
Few comments:
• the above code is borderline of atypical. e.g. it is not a average
python code would produce or one'd seen in corporate python code.
• voodoo like t
a idiot wrote:
> Yes, Jillian also has nested maps:
the issue here, is not about whether Ruby has nested map or not. It is
about illustrating a lisp problem. In particular, nested syntax
impedes the functional programing paradigm of function chaining.
• A Ruby Illustration of Lisp Problems
ht
Xah Lee schrieb:
Xah Lee wrote:
• A Ruby Illustration of Lisp Problems
http://xahlee.org/UnixResource_dir/writ/lisp_problems_by_ruby.html
On Jan 17, 12:30 pm, André Thieme wrote:
In the Lisp style Clojure for example one does exactly the same as
Jillian James (JJ) did in Ruby:
(map #(
Xah Lee wrote:
> • A Ruby Illustration of Lisp Problems
> http://xahlee.org/UnixResource_dir/writ/lisp_problems_by_ruby.html
On Jan 17, 12:30 pm, André Thieme wrote:
> In the Lisp style Clojure for example one does exactly the same as
> Jillian James (JJ) did in Ruby:
> (map #(map (fn [s] (I
Xah Lee schrieb:
comp.lang.lisp,comp.lang.scheme,comp.lang.functional,comp.lang.python,comp.lang.ruby
Here's a interesting toy problem posted by Drew Krause to
comp.lang.lisp:
On Jan 16, 2:29 pm, Drew Krause wrote [paraphrased a bit]:
OK, I want to create a nested list
MRAB wrote:
Tino Wildenhain wrote:
Xah Lee wrote:
comp.lang.lisp,comp.lang.scheme,comp.lang.functional,comp.lang.python,comp.lang.ruby
...
OK, I want to create a nested list in Lisp (always of only integers)
from a text file, such that each line in the text file would be
represented as a s
On Jan 17, 9:34 am, Xah Lee wrote:
> The code in my previous elisp code got a bump. It should be:
> ...
> • A Ruby Illustration of Lisp Problems
> http://xahlee.org/UnixResource_dir/writ/lisp_problems_by_ruby.html
Sorry again. More correction:
(defun read-lines (file)
"Return a list of lines
Tino Wildenhain wrote:
Xah Lee wrote:
comp.lang.lisp,comp.lang.scheme,comp.lang.functional,comp.lang.python,comp.lang.ruby
...
OK, I want to create a nested list in Lisp (always of only integers)
from a text file, such that each line in the text file would be
represented as a sublist in the
On Jan 17, 9:16 am, Xah Lee wrote:
> Here's a interesting toy problem posted by Drew Krause to
> comp.lang.lisp:
> ...
The code in my previous elisp code got a bump. It should be:
(defun read-lines (file)
"Return a list of lines in FILE."
(with-temp-buffer
(insert-file-contents file)
Xah Lee wrote:
comp.lang.lisp,comp.lang.scheme,comp.lang.functional,comp.lang.python,comp.lang.ruby
...
OK, I want to create a nested list in Lisp (always of only integers)
from a text file, such that each line in the text file would be
represented as a sublist in the 'imported' list.
example
comp.lang.lisp,comp.lang.scheme,comp.lang.functional,comp.lang.python,comp.lang.ruby
Here's a interesting toy problem posted by Drew Krause to
comp.lang.lisp:
On Jan 16, 2:29 pm, Drew Krause wrote [paraphrased a bit]:
OK, I want to create a nested list in Lisp (always of
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