On Jun 10, 3:36Â pm, Arnaud Delobelle wrote:
> On 10 June 2012 07:16, rusi wrote:
>
> > This is worth a read in this
> > context:http://osteele.com/archives/2004/11/ides
>
> Interesting! I definitely fall nicely at one extreme of this
> dichotomy. Â Every time I've tried to use an IDE, it's made
> It would not be difficult to convince me to commit homicide for
> a Delphi-like Python gui machine that runs on a Linux box. I
> have played with many - Boa, WxDes, Glade, Tk, Dabo, QtDesigner,
> Card, etc.
Not sure whether you tried it enough on Linux, but Boa (which was
intended to be kind of
On 6/19/2012 6:07 AM, Wolfgang Keller wrote:
And the lack of success of Python so far to replace, in your
application case, Labview, or, in my application case, all those
proprietary 4GL IDEs/frameworks/GUI builders (just check the success
that Realbasic has) proves imho that the Python communi
Albert van der Horst於 2012年6月22日星期五UTC+8下午11時53分01秒寫道：
> In article ,
> Kevin Walzer wrote:
> >On 6/11/12 8:01 AM, Wolfgang Keller wrote:
> >> Tkinter is imho honestly the very best "argument" if you want to make
> >> potential new users turn their backs away from Python for good. Just
> >> show
On 6/22/2012 11:53 AM, Albert van der Horst wrote:
In article ,
Kevin Walzer wrote:
On 6/11/12 8:01 AM, Wolfgang Keller wrote:
Tkinter is imho honestly the very best "argument" if you want to make
potential new users turn their backs away from Python for good. Just
show them one GUI implement
In article ,
Kevin Walzer wrote:
>On 6/11/12 8:01 AM, Wolfgang Keller wrote:
>> Tkinter is imho honestly the very best "argument" if you want to make
>> potential new users turn their backs away from Python for good. Just
>> show them one GUI implemented with it and, hey, wait, where are you
>> r
> >> No matter how cool it may seem to create simple GUIs manually or to
> >> write business letters using LaTeX: just try to persuade people to
> >> move from Word to LaTeX for business letters...
> >
> > Good example.
> >
> > I have done nearly exactly this* - but it was only possible thanks
> >
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Chris Fox wrote:
> On 17/06/2012 03:42, Chris Angelico wrote:
>> I want to promote Linux as a replacement for Windows. But I do not
>> see that Linux needs to be able to run Internet Explorer in order
>> to do that. Maybe when people move to a replacement, they nee
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On 17/06/2012 03:42, Chris Angelico wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 7:47 AM, Dietmar Schwertberger
> wrote:
>> The point is, that if you want to promote Python as replacement
>> for e.g. VB, Labview etc., then an easy-to-use GUI builder is
>> requi
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 7:47 AM, Dietmar Schwertberger
wrote:
> The point is, that if you want to promote Python as replacement
> for e.g. VB, Labview etc., then an easy-to-use GUI builder is required.
> The typical GUI programs will just have an input mask, a button and one
> or two output fields
On Thu, 14 Jun 2012 12:59:23 -0700 (PDT)
CM wrote:
> On Jun 14, 2:25Â pm, Wolfgang Keller wrote:
> >
> > What is needed for domain specialists are frameworks and related
> > tools such as GUI builders that allow them to write exclusively the
> > domain-specific code (this is where a domain speci
Dietmar quotes:
> With Python not having an easy-to-use GUI builder,
> The point is, that if you want to promote Python as replacement
> for e.g. VB, Labview etc., then an easy-to-use GUI builder is required.
> The typical GUI programs will just have an input mask, a button and one
> or two outpu
Am 13.06.2012 18:30, schrieb rdst...@mac.com:
about Google's "Blockly" a drag and drop tool for building apps that
outputs Python or Javascript code (among others) and it might be
usable along these lines...I'm sure serious programmers would not use
it but maybe engineers looking to make web fron
Am 15.06.2012 01:07, schrieb Dennis Lee Bieber:
Visual Basic was essentially developed as a unified whole (drop a
Sure. I prefer modular approaches. I don't see why this should not be
possible (e.g. an IDE like Wing integrates well with other tools and
frameworks; I'm sure it could also
Am 13.06.2012 14:49, schrieb Wolfgang Keller:
No matter how cool it may seem to create simple GUIs manually or to
write business letters using LaTeX: just try to persuade people to
move from Word to LaTeX for business letters...
Good example.
I have done nearly exactly this* - but it was only
Am 14.06.2012 23:29, schrieb Grant Edwards:
On 2012-06-14, Dietmar Schwertberger wrote:
Yes, sorry. I posted that too late in the night. The point was that
there's no easy-to-use GUI builder which would allow the casual user
to create a GUI.
I'm not sure I'm in favor of casual users creating
On 2012-06-14, Dietmar Schwertberger wrote:
> Yes, sorry. I posted that too late in the night. The point was that
> there's no easy-to-use GUI builder which would allow the casual user
> to create a GUI.
I'm not sure I'm in favor of casual users creating GUIs.
Have you ever tried to _use_ a pro
Am 14.06.2012 22:06, schrieb Colin Higwell:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2012 00:55:38 +0200, Dietmar Schwertberger wrote:
As long as there's no GUI
builder for Python, most people will stick to Excel / VBA / VB.
No GUI builder for Python? There are plenty.
Yes, sorry. I posted that too late in the night.
On Tue, 12 Jun 2012 00:55:38 +0200, Dietmar Schwertberger wrote:
> As long as there's no GUI
> builder for Python, most people will stick to Excel / VBA / VB.
No GUI builder for Python? There are plenty.
I use wxGlade with wxPython and it works beautifully. It writes the code
for the GUI elemen
On Jun 14, 2:25Â pm, Wolfgang Keller wrote:
>
> What is needed for domain specialists are frameworks and related tools
> such as GUI builders that allow them to write exclusively the
> domain-specific code (this is where a domain specialist will always be
> better than any software developer), lay
Danger: Flame ahead!
> I think efforts to make a better, and more definitive, "GUI builder"
> for Python should focus on makigng an easy to use "IDE" for creating
> these kinds of Python-HTMl-Javascript front ends for applications.
The idea of so-called "web applications" is a cerebral flatulance
> object mainwindow=GTK2.Window(GTK2.WindowToplevel);
> mainwindow->set_title("Timing")->set_default_size
> (400,300)->signal_connect("destroy",window_destroy); GTK2.HbuttonBox
> btns=GTK2.HbuttonBox()->set_layout(GTK2.BUTTONBOX_SPREAD); foreach
> (labels,string lbl) btns->add(butto
> > None of these were such that I could propagate it as GUI development
> > tool for non-programmers / casual users.
> > Sure, some are good for designing the GUI, but at the point where
> > the user code is to be added, most people would be lost.
>
> There was a time when that was a highly adver
> I think this is the wave of the furture for deploying simple programs
> to many users. It is almost 100% cross platform (can be used on
> desktop, smartphone, tablet, windows, linux, mac etc) and is very easy
> to do, even for casual "non-programmers" who do a little programming
> (such as many e
> No matter how cool it may seem to create simple GUIs manually or to
> write business letters using LaTeX: just try to persuade people to
> move from Word to LaTeX for business letters...
Good example.
I have done nearly exactly this* - but it was only possible thanks to
LyX.
Sincerely,
Wolfga
> > Tkinter is imho honestly the very best "argument" if you want to
> > make potential new users turn their backs away from Python for
> > good. Just show them one GUI implemented with it and, hey, wait,
> > where are you running to...
>
> Yes, Tkinter GUI's are very ugly.
>
> http://www.codebyk
> > * Domain experts in fact who would need to implement loads of
> > software to help them get their work done but can't. And since
> > there's no budget for external developers, nothing get's ever done
> > about this.
> Well, typically or at least very often sooner or later something
> gets done
On Jun 10, 12:37 pm, Dietmar Schwertberger
wrote:
> Personally, I prefer Python with console, wx or Qt for local
> applications and Python/HTTP/HTML/Javascript for multi-user
> database applications.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dietmar
+1
I think this is the wave of the furture for deploying simple program
On Jun 11, 6:55 pm, Dietmar Schwertberger
wrote:
> But then we're back to the initial point: As long as there's no GUI
> builder for Python, most people will stick to Excel / VBA / VB.
Then good thing there *are* GUI builder/IDEs for Python, one of which
was good enough for me to take me from es
On Jun 11, 9:09Â am, Mark Roseman wrote:
> Second, there does exist at least one fairly good source of
> documentation for new users wishing to do exactly this (according to
> many, many comments I have received), though that documentation is
> admittedly buried in a sea of out-of-date informatio
On Jun 10, 11:05Â pm, rusi wrote:
> If python is really a "language maven's" language then it does not do
> very well:
> - its not as object-oriented as Ruby (or other arcana like Eiffel)
if it were object-oreiented as Ruby, then why not use Ruby?
> - its not as functional as Haskell
if it were
Am 11.06.2012 01:15, schrieb Chris Angelico:
If you're a complete non-programmer, then of course that's an opaque
block of text. But to a programmer, it ought to be fairly readable -
Well, I can read the code.
But still I would not be able (or interested) to write C++/GTK code.
With my rusty C++
Am 11.06.2012 16:09, schrieb Mark Roseman:
> On the Tkinter front, I just want to reiterate two important points that
> are not nearly as well known as they should be.
>
> First, it is possible and in fact easy to do decent looking GUI's in
> Tkinter, with the caveat that you do in fact have to do
Am 11.06.2012 16:14, schrieb Anssi Saari:
Wolfgang Keller writes:
This whole cycle of "design GUI"->"generate code"->add own code to
generated code"->"run application with GUI" has always seemed very
un-pythonic to me. A dynamic, interpreted language should allow to work
in a more "lively", "d
Am 11.06.2012 14:01, schrieb Wolfgang Keller:
* Domain experts in fact who would need to implement loads of
software to help them get their work done but can't. And since there's
no budget for external developers, nothing get's ever done about this.
Well, typically or at least very often sooner
Am 11.06.2012 06:05, schrieb rusi:
If python is really a "language maven's" language then it does not do
very well:
- its not as object-oriented as Ruby (or other arcana like Eiffel)
- its not as functional as Haskell
- its not as integrable as Lua
- its not as close-to-bare-metal as C
- etc
Dep
Wolfgang Keller writes:
> This whole cycle of "design GUI"->"generate code"->add own code to
> generated code"->"run application with GUI" has always seemed very
> un-pythonic to me. A dynamic, interpreted language should allow to work
> in a more "lively", "direct" way to build a GUI.
What abou
Dietmar Schwertberger wrote:
> But the fact that Tkinter is still the standard GUI toolkit tells a lot
> about the situation...
> ...
> Sure, I know how to code GUIs. But the learning curve is too steep
> for new users wanting to implement simple GUIs.
As is obvious to everybody, the massive i
On 11/06/2012 13:47, Kevin Walzer wrote:
Yes, Tkinter GUI's are very ugly.
http://www.codebykevin.com/phynchronicity-running.png
http://www.codebykevin.com/quickwho-main.png
At last we're getting to the crux of the matter. Provided that the GUI
is pretty who cares about picking appropriate
On 6/11/12 8:01 AM, Wolfgang Keller wrote:
Tkinter is imho honestly the very best "argument" if you want to make
potential new users turn their backs away from Python for good. Just
show them one GUI implemented with it and, hey, wait, where are you
running to...
Yes, Tkinter GUI's are very ugl
> > What "GUI designer" would come the closest to the way that Cocoa's
> > Interface Builder works? I.e. is there any one (cross-platform) that
> > allows to actually "connect" the GUI created directly to the code
> > and make it available "live" in an IDE?
>
> If you're developing on the Mac, PyO
> > What "GUI designer" would come the closest to the way that Cocoa's
> > Interface Builder works? I.e. is there any one (cross-platform) that
> > allows to actually "connect" the GUI created directly to the code
> > and make it available "live" in an IDE?
> >
> > This whole cycle of "design GUI"-
On Jun 10, 4:52Â pm, Dietmar Schwertberger
wrote:
> Am 10.06.2012 08:16, schrieb rusi:> This is worth a read in this
> context:http://osteele.com/archives/2004/11/ides
>
>
> I've read the article. It presents some nice ideas, but probably the
> author has not used Python before.
> Otherwise he w
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 5:37 AM, Dietmar Schwertberger
wrote:
> Chris Angelico wrote (in two posts):
>
>> There was a time when that was a highly advertisable feature - "build
>> XYZ applications without writing a single line of code!". I've seen it
>> in database front-end builders as well as GUI
On Jun 10, 2:36Â pm, Rick Johnson wrote:
> #
> # Or become a pro and create reusable objects!
> #
> class LE(tk.Frame):
> Â Â def __init__(self, master, **kw):
> Â Â Â Â tk.Frame.__init__(self, master)
> Â Â Â Â self.l = tk.Label(self, **kw)
> Â Â Â Â self.l.pack(side=LEFT)
> Â Â
Am 10.06.2012 21:36, schrieb Rick Johnson:
It is possible. Try Tkinter for the "get-you-from-a-to-b" solution,
or, wxPython if you like fog lamps, heated seats, and navigation
systems.
I prefer wx or Qt. The look and feel is one reason.
But the fact that Tkinter is still the standard GUI toolki
(Sorry for posting without references to the previous messages, but it
seems that many messages don't get through to the nntp server that I'm
using.)
Chris Angelico wrote (in two posts):
> There was a time when that was a highly advertisable feature - "build
> XYZ applications without writing a
On Jun 9, 8:25Â am, Dietmar Schwertberger
wrote:
> Before anyone now writes "Good GUIs are coded by hand":
> I agree, but for many purposes only simple GUIs are required
> and it should be possible to create these without studying manuals
> (on toolkit and GUI editor).
It is possible. Try Tkinte
On Jun 8, 7:27 am, Wolfgang Keller wrote:
> This whole cycle of "design GUI"->"generate code"->add own code to
> generated code"->"run application with GUI" has always seemed very
> un-pythonic to me. A dynamic, interpreted language should allow to work
> in a more "lively", "direct" way to build
On Jun 7, 4:18 pm, Kevin Walzer wrote:
> On 6/5/12 10:10 AM, Mark R Rivet wrote:
>
> > I want a gui designer that writes the gui code for me. I don't want to
> > write gui code. what is the gui designer that is most popular?
> None. I write GUI code by hand (Tkinter).
I second that notion. Writi
On 6/8/12 8:27 AM, Wolfgang Keller wrote:
What "GUI designer" would come the closest to the way that Cocoa's
Interface Builder works? I.e. is there any one (cross-platform) that
allows to actually "connect" the GUI created directly to the code and
make it available "live" in an IDE?
If you're d
Am 10.06.2012 08:16, schrieb rusi:
This is worth a read in this context: http://osteele.com/archives/2004/11/ides
So which language would you suggest to use next? ;-)
I've read the article. It presents some nice ideas, but probably the
author has not used Python before.
Otherwise he would have
On 10 June 2012 07:16, rusi wrote:
> This is worth a read in this context: http://osteele.com/archives/2004/11/ides
Interesting! I definitely fall nicely at one extreme of this
dichotomy. Every time I've tried to use an IDE, it's made me feel
inadequate and I've quickly retreated to my comfort
On Jun 9, 10:07 pm, Dietmar Schwertberger
wrote:
> > And you can than go in the code editor to that function and change the
> > code to do whatever you want.
>
> Having to go there is already more work than I would expect.
> I would expect to go there e.g. by a double-click.
>
> This is just a min
On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 3:07 AM, Dietmar Schwertberger
wrote:
> None of these were such that I could propagate it as GUI development
> tool for non-programmers / casual users.
> Sure, some are good for designing the GUI, but at the point where
> the user code is to be added, most people would be l
Am 09.06.2012 17:34, schrieb CM:
You can do this for wxPython with Boa Constructor easily. You can
bind an event handler for a wx.EVT_BUTTON to, e.g., "Button1" with Boa
and it will add this code for you to the bottom of your code:
def OnButton1Button(self,evt):
evt.Skip()
And you can th
On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 11:25 PM, Dietmar Schwertberger
wrote:
> ... for many purposes only simple GUIs are required
> and it should be possible to create these without studying manuals
> (on toolkit and GUI editor).
> A typical simple GUI would e.g. be for a measurement / data aquisition
> program
> I think that something in the style of Visual BASIC (version 6) is required
> for either wxPython or PyQt/PySide (or both).
> In the Visual BASIC editor you can e.g. add a GUI element
> and directly go to the code editor to fill methods (e.g. an OnClick
> method).
You can do this for wxPython wi
Am 08.06.2012 17:11, schrieb CM:
I'm curious about your point but I don't really understand it. Could
you try again without using any scare-quoted words? Maybe given an
example of creating a small text editor application with a GUI builder/
IDE in this Pythonic way you are hoping for.
Before
On Jun 8, 8:27 am, Wolfgang Keller wrote:
> > I want a gui designer that writes the gui code for me. I don't want to
> > write gui code. what is the gui designer that is most popular?
> > I tried boa-constructor, and it works, but I am concerned about how
> > dated it seems to be with no updates i
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To: python-list@python.org
Subject: what gui designer is everyone using
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 14:22:58 +0200
Hi,
pyQt is really good for fast graphic GUI designing.
Maybe not the best for beginners,cause this can't allow them to understand how
to code GU
> I want a gui designer that writes the gui code for me. I don't want to
> write gui code. what is the gui designer that is most popular?
> I tried boa-constructor, and it works, but I am concerned about how
> dated it seems to be with no updates in over six years.
Sorry to "hijack" your thread, b
stackless.com
> Subject: Re: what gui designer is everyone using
> Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 11:27:44 +0200
> To: miki.teb...@gmail.com
> CC: python-list@python.org
>
> Hi Miki,
>
> Yes, and this works very well. As a side
> effect it also serves as a template when
> you need
Hi Miki,
Yes, and this works very well. As a side
effect it also serves as a template when
you need to change certain things
dynamically. You can pick snippets for
your Gui dynamication.
But as a strong recommendation: never
ever change the generated code. Import the generated classes and derive
I used wx and Boa years before and
Was quite pleased.
In these days I switched to Qt with PySide. Qt designer works quite well.
If you have the choice, then my recommendation is this.
Cheers - chris
Sent from my Ei4Steve
On Jun 8, 2012, at 8:11, Alister wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Jun 2012 20:58:09
On Thu, 07 Jun 2012 20:58:09 -0700, CM wrote:
> On Jun 5, 10:10 am, Mark R Rivet wrote:
>> I want a gui designer that writes the gui code for me. I don't want to
>> write gui code. what is the gui designer that is most popular?
>> I tried boa-constructor, and it works, but I am concerned about ho
On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 7:18 AM, Kevin Walzer wrote:
> On 6/5/12 10:10 AM, Mark R Rivet wrote:
>>
>> I want a gui designer that writes the gui code for me. I don't want to
>> write gui code. what is the gui designer that is most popular?
>> I tried boa-constructor, and it works, but I am concerned
On Jun 5, 10:10 am, Mark R Rivet wrote:
> I want a gui designer that writes the gui code for me. I don't want to
> write gui code. what is the gui designer that is most popular?
> I tried boa-constructor, and it works, but I am concerned about how
> dated it seems to be with no updates in over six
On 6/5/12 10:10 AM, Mark R Rivet wrote:
I want a gui designer that writes the gui code for me. I don't want to
write gui code. what is the gui designer that is most popular?
I tried boa-constructor, and it works, but I am concerned about how
dated it seems to be with no updates in over six years.
> what is the gui designer that is most popular?
IIRC Qt designer can output Python code.
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On 2012-06-05, Mark R Rivet wrote:
> I want a gui designer that writes the gui code for me. I don't want to
> write gui code. what is the gui designer that is most popular?
> I tried boa-constructor, and it works, but I am concerned about how
> dated it seems to be with no updates in over six year
On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 10:10:17 -0400, Mark R Rivet wrote:
> I want a gui designer that writes the gui code for me. I don't want to
> write gui code. what is the gui designer that is most popular?
> I tried boa-constructor, and it works, but I am concerned about how
> dated it seems to be with no upd
On Jun 5, 7:10 am, Mark R Rivet wrote:
> I want a gui designer that writes the gui code for me. I don't want to
> write gui code. what is the gui designer that is most popular?
> I tried boa-constructor, and it works, but I am concerned about how
> dated it seems to be with no updates in over six
On 05/06/12 16:10, Mark R Rivet wrote:
> I want a gui designer that writes the gui code for me. I don't want to
> write gui code. what is the gui designer that is most popular?
> I tried boa-constructor, and it works, but I am concerned about how
> dated it seems to be with no updates in over six y
On Tuesday, June 5, 2012 10:10:17 AM UTC-4, Manatee wrote:
> I want a gui designer that writes the gui code for me. I don't want to
> write gui code. what is the gui designer that is most popular?
> I tried boa-constructor, and it works, but I am concerned about how
> dated it seems to be with no u
On Jun 5, 7:10 am, Mark R Rivet wrote:
> I want a gui designer that writes the gui code for me. I don't want to
> write gui code. what is the gui designer that is most popular?
> I tried boa-constructor, and it works, but I am concerned about how
> dated it seems to be with no updates in over six
I'm afraid that in my experience, doing things by hand has always
ended up being quicker and simpler than relying on a GUI designer when
it comes to building python GUI apps. That said, I've not tried any
for the past few years so there may be a killer app out there that
I've not tried :) But even
you have the qt designer with eric is nice and easy to use for the qt ..
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> I want a gui designer that writes the
I want a gui designer that writes the gui code for me. I don't want to
write gui code. what is the gui designer that is most popular?
I tried boa-constructor, and it works, but I am concerned about how
dated it seems to be with no updates in over six years.
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