Re: [Python-mode] replacing python.el

2009-02-01 Thread Beverley Eyre
Barry Wrote: I don't know what more we can do and it seems like python-mode.el will never be included in Emacs. Oh well. I don't really see that as a tragedy, Barry. When I'm writing a new paper (in LaTeX, of course) and I want the latest version of IEEEtran.cls I go to the IEEE. Most of

Re: [Python-mode] replacing python.el

2009-02-01 Thread Beverley Eyre
On 02/01/2009 07:37 PM, Chong Yidong wrote: Beverley Eyre writes: From my understanding, no one suggesting cutting and pasting your code. Dave's objection, if I understand it correctly, is precisely the cutting and pasting of his code: this all originated when I complained abo

Re: [Python-mode] FSF assignment policy

2009-02-01 Thread Beverley Eyre
On 02/01/2009 06:37 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Andreas Roehler writes: > IMO assignment policy contradicts the spirit of free software. Please, Andreas, drop this thread. You are not going to change anyone's mind. Here's why: > Copyright is an important issue now, taken very seriou

Re: [Python-mode] replacing python.el

2009-02-01 Thread Chong Yidong
Beverley Eyre writes: > From my understanding, no one suggesting cutting and pasting your > code. Dave's objection, if I understand it correctly, is precisely the cutting and pasting of his code: this all originated when I complained about someone distributing a chunk of my code with the FS

Re: [Python-mode] FSF assignment policy

2009-02-01 Thread Beverley Eyre
Andreas wrote: IMO assignment policy contradicts the spirit of free software. It shows very unpleasant damages in mind already. Copyright is an important issue now, taken very seriously. Before code was exchanged freely, as Richard told nicely the very beginnings of the movement. Meanwhile we ca

Re: [Python-mode] FSF assignment policy

2009-02-01 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Andreas Roehler writes: > IMO assignment policy contradicts the spirit of free software. Please, Andreas, drop this thread. You are not going to change anyone's mind. Here's why: > Copyright is an important issue now, taken very seriously. Which is as it must be; the threat perceived by the

Re: [Python-mode] replacing python.el

2009-02-01 Thread Beverley Eyre
Dave et al, I'm not sure what you think "isn't true". I'll repeat that I don't blame you for using python-mode.el when you wrote python.el. My whole point was that you did. The following are some of the comments in your code that generated my remarks: (from python.el, GNU Emacs version 22.3.1)

Re: [Python-mode] replacing python.el

2009-02-01 Thread Glenn Morris
Richard M Stallman wrote: > Since Andreas Röhler is unwilling to sign legal papers for his > code in python.el, we cannot use it in Emacs. > > Would anyone like to implement for python-mode.el whatever > nice features python.el may have? Barry, could you make a TODO list? You've got this backwar

Re: [Python-mode] replacing python.el

2009-02-01 Thread Richard M Stallman
You've got this backwards. Emacs includes python.el, written by Dave Love, about which there is no legal problem. python-mode.el is the alternative, which has several contributors including Andreas R. This has never been included in Emacs. Please forgive my confusion. I did

Re: [Python-mode] replacing python.el

2009-02-01 Thread Dave Love
Beverley Eyre writes: > Don't forget that there was a peck of code that Dave Love took from > python-mode.el in his python.el. That's not true, as I've already responded to Eyre with some subset of these Ccs. As well as this claim of wholesale copying, and thus me lying about the copyright stat

Re: [Python-mode] replacing python.el

2009-02-01 Thread Dave Love
I seem to be repeating this to ever-expanding lists of addresses. Glenn Morris writes: > You've got this backwards. > > Emacs includes python.el, written by Dave Love, about which there is > no legal problem. Indeed, and I don't understand what other problem there is with it, other than mainten

Re: [Python-mode] FSF assignment policy

2009-02-01 Thread Andreas Roehler
Dave Love wrote: > Andreas Roehler writes: > >> Barry Warsaw wrote: > >>> For this audience, I'll restate my position, vis-à-vis python-mode. >>> >>> I assert that Tim Peters and myself have assigned copyright in >>> python-mode.el to the FSF. > > For this audience, again: Unfortunately the FS

[Python-mode] python-mode for Debian GNU/Linux distribution

2009-02-01 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
Hi to All, I am new to the list, so few words about me... I am just one in the army of Debian developers and maintainers, I also look at human brains on a daily basis, and I have 2 kids and a wife ;) and as you could guess -- I am developing in Python and live in emacs. I decided to take over py

Re: [Python-mode] FSF assignment policy

2009-02-01 Thread Dave Love
Andreas Roehler writes: > Barry Warsaw wrote: >> For this audience, I'll restate my position, vis-à-vis python-mode. >> >> I assert that Tim Peters and myself have assigned copyright in >> python-mode.el to the FSF. For this audience, again: Unfortunately the FSF only has an assignment from T

Re: [Python-mode] merging python-mode.el and python.el

2009-02-01 Thread Dave Love
Barry Warsaw writes: > python-mode.el works fine in Emacs Maybe now -- I haven't checked closely -- but it didn't when I tried to fix it, and people are now trying to incorporate Emacs-specific features. I found the issues actually using it originally, and others did according to Debian bug rep

Re: [Python-mode] replacing python.el

2009-02-01 Thread Jeff Kowalczyk
On Sun, 01 Feb 2009 07:33:15 -0500, Barry Warsaw wrote: > As Andreas pointed out, we have not yet merged his changes into python- > mode.el. > > I had hoped that it would be possible to merge python-mode.el and > python.el and reduce the confusion and inconvenience of Python X/Emacs > users.

Re: [Python-mode] replacing python.el

2009-02-01 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Feb 1, 2009, at 2:00 AM, Glenn Morris wrote: Since Andreas Röhler is unwilling to sign legal papers for his code in python.el, we cannot use it in Emacs. Would anyone like to implement for python-mode.el whatever nice features python.el may have

Re: [Python-mode] replacing python.el

2009-02-01 Thread Andreas Roehler
Beverley Eyre wrote: > On 01/31/2009 10:31 PM, Richard M Stallman wrote: >> Since Andreas Röhler is unwilling to sign legal papers for his >> code in python.el, we cannot use it in Emacs. >> >> Would anyone like to implement for python-mode.el whatever >> nice features python.el may have? Barry, c