Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Python development on OSX

2011-01-20 Thread Charles Hartman
We shouldn't lose sight of the fact that the people we're talking about who need to build Python programs as apps -- several of whom have responded here -- don't typically want to confine those apps to the world of Macs. Python is a great language in which to build cross-platform (LOTS of platform

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Python development on OSX

2011-01-20 Thread Bill Janssen
Adam Morris wrote: > >By the way, Python is more than "just another good scripting > >language". I build large systems with it. I do (rarely) write Mac > >"applications" with Python. I use Xcode and Cocoa-Python, and > >IMO it works great. Is that using py2app "under the covers"? This > >is a

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Python development on OSX

2011-01-20 Thread Adam Morris
This python development convo has been by far the most informative so far. I'm coming at this from very much a hobbyist position. I'm a teacher and I want one programming language that lets me solve my real problems. I also want the same language to be able to do native Mac stuff too, if I ever hav

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Python development on OSX

2011-01-20 Thread Russell E. Owen
In article <69949.1295543...@parc.com>, Bill Janssen wrote: > Christopher Barker wrote: > > > > and certainly the majority of those who need any help. > > > > I think that's key -- Bill's approach is fine one for some users, but > > not what I"d recommend to newbies that aren't sure how to se

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Installing modules with py2app

2011-01-20 Thread Christopher Barker
On 1/20/11 2:10 PM, Mier, Alejandro wrote: The problem is that, even though subprocess.call("python setup.py install") picks up the system python (sys.executable has the expected value), it still loads the modules from the site-packages.zip in the .app bundle. I suspect that you are getting e

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Python development on OSX

2011-01-20 Thread David Bolen
Chris Weisiger writes: > In short, if you are coding for other people who are not themselves > programmers and who use OSX, then you want py2app. I definitely agree with this. Py2app lets my self-contained Python apps conform to the platform norm that users are expecting. In that respect it's

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Installing modules with py2app

2011-01-20 Thread Mier, Alejandro
Hi Chris > How are you using distutils in this case? Are you installing stuff into > the app bundle? Or into a system python? If a system python, you should > probably use the system python's distutils (and thus its site.py) to do > the work. I am trying to install modules into the system pyth

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Python development on OSX

2011-01-20 Thread Bill Janssen
Christopher Barker wrote: > > and certainly the majority of those who need any help. > > I think that's key -- Bill's approach is fine one for some users, but > not what I"d recommend to newbies that aren't sure how to set a PATH. Hmmm. My experience is that those are exactly the folks who get

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Python development on OSX

2011-01-20 Thread Chris Weisiger
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:56 AM, Christopher Barker wrote: > On 1/19/11 9:11 PM, Charles Hartman wrote: > >>Do I need/want to use py2app to distribute my app(s)? >>Never happens. >> > > But this is where Bill J's use-case departs drastically from those of >> many users, perhap

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Python development on OSX

2011-01-20 Thread Christopher Barker
On 1/19/11 9:11 PM, Charles Hartman wrote: Do I need/want to use py2app to distribute my app(s)? Never happens. But this is where Bill J's use-case departs drastically from those of many users, perhaps most, and certainly the majority of those who need any help. I'm not s