Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE won't start from app

In article , Ronald Oussoren wrote: > On 13 Nov, 2012, at 8:53, Christian Calderon > wrote: > > I was trying to use IDLE today, and it tried to open and then suddenly > > closed. I tried a few times to make sure it wasn't a fluke, but it didn't > > start. It worked perfectly before today. So

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE won't start from app

On 13 Nov, 2012, at 8:53, Christian Calderon wrote: > I was trying to use IDLE today, and it tried to open and then suddenly > closed. I tried a few times to make sure it wasn't a fluke, but it didn't > start. It worked perfectly before today. So I deleted a whole bunch of > python2.7 files,

[Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE won't start from app

I was trying to use IDLE today, and it tried to open and then suddenly closed. I tried a few times to make sure it wasn't a fluke, but it didn't start. It worked perfectly before today. So I deleted a whole bunch of python2.7 files, and reinstalled python from the binary. Still doesn't work

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE Crashes when Prefs are accessed on Python 3.3 on OSX 10.8.2

On 10/10/12 11:26 PM, Ned Deily wrote: A Python patch could go here: http://bugs.python.org/issue15853 Patch submitted. The preferences dialog no longer crashes for me. -- Kevin Walzer Code by Kevin http://www.codebykevin.com ___ Pythonmac-SIG mai

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE Crashes when Prefs are accessed on Python 3.3 on OSX 10.8.2

On 11 Oct, 2012, at 4:02, Kevin Walzer wrote: > On 10/10/12 7:38 PM, Ned Deily wrote: >> Look at the dump file I attached to the Tk issue. It has a complete >> debug trace through Tk including C line numbers. >> >> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=112997&aid=3575664&group >> _i

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE Crashes when Prefs are accessed on Python 3.3 on OSX 10.8.2

In article <5076289c.7060...@codebykevin.com>, Kevin Walzer wrote: > The stack trace that I posted earlier, in my own testing, indicates that > the issue may be during the infernal event loop integration between Tk > and Cocoa--there's been a lot of traffic on the Mac-Tcl list about that. > Fo

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE Crashes when Prefs are accessed on Python 3.3 on OSX 10.8.2

On 10/10/12 10:02 PM, Kevin Walzer wrote: I've been stepping through the IDLE source code and it appears IDLE is crashing during the LoadConfigs() call of the config dialog. Still have more investigating to do, but I'm hopeful I can come up with a workaround that will keep things from crashing.

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE Crashes when Prefs are accessed on Python 3.3 on OSX 10.8.2

On 10/10/12 7:38 PM, Ned Deily wrote: Look at the dump file I attached to the Tk issue. It has a complete debug trace through Tk including C line numbers. http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=112997&aid=3575664&group _id=12997 I've been stepping through the IDLE source code and it

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE Crashes when Prefs are accessed on Python 3.3 on OSX 10.8.2

On 10/10/12 7:38 PM, Ned Deily wrote: Look at the dump file I attached to the Tk issue. It has a complete debug trace through Tk including C line numbers. My stack trace is completely different, so I'm not sure where to look. -- Kevin Walzer Code by Kevin http://www.codebykevin.com __

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE Crashes when Prefs are accessed on Python 3.3 on OSX 10.8.2

In article <50760282.1040...@codebykevin.com>, Kevin Walzer wrote: > On 10/10/12 10:19 AM, Ronald Oussoren wrote: > > That odd. IDLE also uses '::tk::mac::ShowPreferences' for the > > configuration dialog. The only difference with your script is that the same > > command is also bound to '<>'

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE Crashes when Prefs are accessed on Python 3.3 on OSX 10.8.2

On 10/10/12 10:19 AM, Ronald Oussoren wrote: That odd. IDLE also uses '::tk::mac::ShowPreferences' for the configuration dialog. The only difference with your script is that the same command is also bound to '<>'. The code for this all is in idlelib.macosxSupport.overrideRootMenu in the stdl

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE Crashes when Prefs are accessed on Python 3.3 on OSX 10.8.2

On 10 Oct, 2012, at 5:28, Kevin Walzer wrote: > On 10/9/12 5:26 AM, Ned Deily wrote: >> I've done some extensive building and bisecting of Fossil checkins to >> the tk-cocoa-8-5-backport branch and have isolated the regression to a >> particular checkin. I've opened Tk issue 3575664 with the de

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE Crashes when Prefs are accessed on Python 3.3 on OSX 10.8.2

P.S. To fire the prefs dialog, type Command-, or command-comma. That is the default keybinding even though I did not explicitly enable it in the script. ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pyt

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE Crashes when Prefs are accessed on Python 3.3 on OSX 10.8.2

On 10/9/12 5:26 AM, Ned Deily wrote: I've done some extensive building and bisecting of Fossil checkins to the tk-cocoa-8-5-backport branch and have isolated the regression to a particular checkin. I've opened Tk issue 3575664 with the details and provided a debug crash dump. I've done some ad

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE Crashes when Prefs are accessed on Python 3.3 on OSX 10.8.2

In article <50737897.9030...@codebykevin.com>, Kevin Walzer wrote: > On 10/8/12 5:34 PM, Ned Deily wrote: > > As far as I can tell, the problem is not fixed in the source tree. The > > problem is trivial to reproduce with Python and IDLE. Try it with your > > own build of Tk 8.5 installed in /L

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE Crashes when Prefs are accessed on Python 3.3 on OSX 10.8.2

On 10/8/12 5:34 PM, Ned Deily wrote: As far as I can tell, the problem is not fixed in the source tree. The problem is trivial to reproduce with Python and IDLE. Try it with your own build of Tk 8.5 installed in /Library/Frameworks and with any of the current python.org 64-bit/32-bit installers

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE Crashes when Prefs are accessed on Python 3.3 on OSX 10.8.2

On 10/8/12 5:34 PM, Ned Deily wrote: As far as I can tell, the problem is not fixed in the source tree. The problem is trivial to reproduce with Python and IDLE. Try it with your own build of Tk 8.5 installed in /Library/Frameworks and with any of the current python.org 64-bit/32-bit installers

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE Crashes when Prefs are accessed on Python 3.3 on OSX 10.8.2

In article <50734448.30...@codebykevin.com>, Kevin Walzer wrote: > On 10/8/12 4:22 PM, Ned Deily wrote: > > It has not been fixed yet. > > Is this statement based on a fresh checkout of the core-8-5-branch from > http://core.tcl.tk/tk? Because my build of 8.5 dates from about a week > ago, and

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE Crashes when Prefs are accessed on Python 3.3 on OSX 10.8.2

On 10/8/12 4:22 PM, Ned Deily wrote: It has not been fixed yet. Is this statement based on a fresh checkout of the core-8-5-branch from http://core.tcl.tk/tk? Because my build of 8.5 dates from about a week ago, and the preferences menu issue is fixed. What I said before holds: the fix is n

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE Crashes when Prefs are accessed on Python 3.3 on OSX 10.8.2

In article <5072aabc.8050...@codebykevin.com>, Kevin Walzer wrote: > On 10/8/12 3:46 AM, Scott Clausen wrote: > > Could their be a need for an update that I'm not aware of? > > Yes, probably--there was a crash in Tk 8.5.12 that has since been fixed, > but a binary release from ActiveState has n

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE Crashes when Prefs are accessed on Python 3.3 on OSX 10.8.2

On 10/8/12 3:46 AM, Scott Clausen wrote: Could their be a need for an update that I'm not aware of? Yes, probably--there was a crash in Tk 8.5.12 that has since been fixed, but a binary release from ActiveState has not yet been made. When they release a new version the crash should go away.

[Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE Crashes when Prefs are accessed on Python 3.3 on OSX 10.8.2

Whenever I attempt to access the IDLE prefs the app crashes. I want to be able to enlarge the text for my old eyes. I've looked on the python website with no luck and have removed the current Python file and reinstalled with no luck I'm using the Tk/Tcl that comes with the OS, I believe. Could

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE not working

In article , Catena Duscio wrote: > I have downloaded python 3.1 many times in the last coupe of days and each > time I can not get the IDLE to open. If you have downloaded Python 3.1.3 from the python.org website, try launching IDLE from a terminal shell window instead of double-clicking.

[Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE not working

to whom this may concern, I have downloaded python 3.1 many times in the last coupe of days and each time I can not get the IDLE to open. ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig uns

[Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE edit, format menus hang

I'm trying to diagnose a problem with IDLE when it runs on top of Tk-Cocoa, as documented in this bug I filed: http://bugs.python.org/issue6463 Basically, the editor window hangs/freezes when I try to paste, cut, or format text. This requires me to force-quite IDLE. The behavior I'm observing

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE fixes for 2.x and 3.x

In article , Ned Deily wrote: > [...] All versions can > co-exist with each other and with the Apple-supplied python which lives > in /System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5 > for 10.5 and 2.3 for > 10.4. > [...] -- Ned Deily, n...@acm.org

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE fixes for 2.x and 3.x

In article <805e7543-96ed-474f-8059-123b4085c...@mac.com>, Tom Bridgman wrote: > Is there a reliable way to install python 3 on a Mac without damaging > the resident installation? Are there 10.4 vs 10.5 issues? It's easy to install multiple versions and there should be no danger of damage.

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE fixes for 2.x and 3.x

Is there a reliable way to install python 3 on a Mac without damaging the resident installation? Are there 10.4 vs 10.5 issues? Tom On Feb 16, 2009, at 3:59 AM, Ned Deily wrote: In article , Ned Deily wrote: I've opened the following issues for problems with various menu, key definitions,

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE fixes for 2.x and 3.x

In article , Ned Deily wrote: > I've opened the following issues for problems with various menu, key > definitions, and launch problems with IDLE.app and bin/idle on OS X: > > > > > Th

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE fixes for 2.x and 3.x

In article <49919728.6020...@codebykevin.com>, Kevin Walzer wrote: > Ned Deily wrote: > > The patches included have been tested on 2.6, 2.7, 3.0, and 3.1 as > > indicated. I believe that, with these patches applied, IDLE.app and > > command line idle (bin/idle) on all of these systems will ex

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE fixes for 2.x and 3.x

Ned Deily wrote: The patches included have been tested on 2.6, 2.7, 3.0, and 3.1 as indicated. I believe that, with these patches applied, IDLE.app and command line idle (bin/idle) on all of these systems will exhibit the same behavior regarding menus and key definitions.[1] In particular, t

[Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE fixes for 2.x and 3.x

I've opened the following issues for problems with various menu, key definitions, and launch problems with IDLE.app and bin/idle on OS X: Issue5194 applies to 2.6, trunk (2.7), 3.0, and

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE on Python-2.6 release version

I had an identical experience on 10.4 and it was my first install of Python (other than what Apple included in the OS install). Deleting all the Python 2.6 files and installing Python 2.5.2 worked like a charm. It's gotta be a build problem. (Similarly, I noticed that Python2.6 created /App

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE on Python-2.6 release version

Rajanikanth Jammalamadaka rajanikanth at gmail.com wrote: Thanks for your reply Kevin. I installed Tk 8.5 but now I get this error: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/Current/bin/idle", line 5, in main() File "/Library/Frameworks/Python.fr

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE on Python-2.6 release version

Rajanikanth Jammalamadaka wrote: Thanks for your reply Kevin. I installed Tk 8.5 but now I get this error: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/Current/bin/idle", line 5, in main() File "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.6

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE on Python-2.6 release version

Thanks for your reply Kevin. I installed Tk 8.5 but now I get this error: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/Current/bin/idle", line 5, in main() File "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.6/lib/python2.6/idlelib/PyShell.py",

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE on Python-2.6 release version

Rajanikanth Jammalamadaka wrote: Any idea how this problem may be fixed? This what I get when I type idle at the command prompt: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/Current/bin/idle", line 3, in from idlelib.PyShell import main File "

[Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE on Python-2.6 release version

Any idea how this problem may be fixed? This what I get when I type idle at the command prompt: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/Current/bin/idle", line 3, in from idlelib.PyShell import main File "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framewor

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE and MacPython 2.5

On 11/1/06, Jacob Rus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bob Ippolito wrote: > > Well, as a point of reference.. I bought TextMate because it's nice to > > use for demos and such.. but I still use Vim for writing Python code > > and Emacs for writing Erlang code. > > > > I never could get hooked on TextM

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE and MacPython 2.5

Bob Ippolito wrote: > Well, as a point of reference.. I bought TextMate because it's nice to > use for demos and such.. but I still use Vim for writing Python code > and Emacs for writing Erlang code. > > I never could get hooked on TextMate, despite trying. It just isn't as > convenient to use as

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE and MacPython 2.5

(In reference to the discussion of TextMate). I'm also not hooked on TextMate. Yet. My main objection is that undo is one-character-at-a-time, which I find utterly maddening for extensive undo. I also find it a bit cluttered and clumsy in some ways, but would be willing to overlook that to get

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE and MacPython 2.5

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 FWIW, I think that IDLE under MacPython 2.5 is a perfectly usable little editor. Ronald did a great job getting it tweaked to behave better as a Mac application. I prefer IDLE to other environments for editing Python, including Aquamacs and Komodo. -

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE and MacPython 2.5

On Wednesday, November 01, 2006, at 09:20AM, "Bob Ippolito" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> I think at the very least, every Mac user who deals with any significant >> amount of structured text or code owes it to themselves to download the >> 30-day trial. I estimate within 2 weeks, you'll be

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE and MacPython 2.5

On 10/31/06, Jacob Rus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Christopher Barker wrote: > > Jacob Rus wrote: > >> Admittedly, the python bundle is not as polished > >> as those for some other languages (html and ruby for instance), but it > >> is still head and shoulders above all the other editors listed ab

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE and MacPython 2.5

Christopher Barker wrote: > Jacob Rus wrote: >> Admittedly, the python bundle is not as polished >> as those for some other languages (html and ruby for instance), but it >> is still head and shoulders above all the other editors listed above, in >> my opinion. some more people from this list ough

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE and MacPython 2.5

Jacob Rus wrote: > I'm surprised that TextMate didn't make this list. That was a very quick, off the cuff list from my brain. It was not intended to be comprehensive. I do hope TextMate is listed on the wiki page at python.org -- if not, someone should add it. > Admittedly, the python bundle i

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE and MacPython 2.5

> yes I remember the pain of the rewire from ed to vi ! isn't it amazing that the fingers remember! There was a time last century when I didn't use a unix machine for 10 years, then logged onto an SGi, fired up vi and in 30 seconds flat all the commands were at my fingertips. Like playi

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE and MacPython 2.5

On Oct 29, 2006, at 6:01 AM, David Worrall wrote: There was a time a while ago when IDLE was a pain/unstable etc etc on intel OSX and I guess I just gave up. I used to use it all the time. Perhaps it works ok these days. Stopping to sharpen one's axe is ok as long as one doesn't get bogged down

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE and MacPython 2.5

There was a time a while ago when IDLE was a pain/unstable etc etc on intel OSX and I guess I just gave up. I used to use it all the time. Perhaps it works ok these days. Stopping to sharpen one's axe is ok as long as one doesn't get bogged down in the process. Now, where was that nifty little

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE and MacPython 2.5

On Oct 28, 2006, at 10:23 AM, Jacob Rus wrote: > Christopher Barker wrote: >> While we're at it, if all you want is a Python-aware editor -- then >> there area a lot of other (better?) options. Scan the archives of >> this >> list for suggestions. A few: >> >> BBEdit (TextWrangler?) >> Eclipse

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE and MacPython 2.5

Christopher Barker wrote: > While we're at it, if all you want is a Python-aware editor -- then > there area a lot of other (better?) options. Scan the archives of this > list for suggestions. A few: > > BBEdit (TextWrangler?) > Eclipse > SPE > Jedit > ScrIDE > > Assorted *nix editors: emaca, V

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE and MacPython 2.5

At 7:40 AM +0200 10/27/06, Ronald Oussoren wrote: >Why does everyone seem to want to push people away from IDLE? IDLE >isn't award-winning material, but it does work properly as a simple >python environment. > >In a way it is better than most programmers text editors because >although it is miss

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE and MacPython 2.5

Why does everyone seem to want to push people away from IDLE? IDLE isn't award-winning material, but it does work properly as a simple python environment. In a way it is better than most programmers text editors because although it is missing some of the advanced editor features these off

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE and MacPython 2.5

On 26-Oct-06, at 7:26 PM, David Worrall wrote: > no need for a file? then enjoy the delights of the interpreter. just > $ /usr/bin/python (at the prompt) Better, use IPython (even from Idle, I think it can be done, but I don't use Idle, so YMMV). IPython will let you work in the interpreter

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE and MacPython 2.5

no need for a file? then enjoy the delights of the interpreter. just $ /usr/bin/python (at the prompt) will get you the interpreter at which you can play around. sometimes I do that whilst I'm trying to work out what I want (by looking at the results of various processes) and then drag/copy and p

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE and MacPython 2.5

On Thursday, October 26, 2006, at 03:09PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Ronald Oussoren wrote: >> >> Do you have a custom version of Tcl/Tk in /Library/Frameworks? What does >> the following command print: >> $ otool -Lv >> /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/lib-dynlo

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE and MacPython 2.5

Ronald Oussoren wrote: > > Do you have a custom version of Tcl/Tk in /Library/Frameworks? What does > the following command print: > $ otool -Lv > /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.5/lib/python2.5/lib-dynload/_tkinter.so > > It seems that I have a custom version of Tk installed on my

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE and MacPython 2.5

Thanks Chris and David for the suggestions. I'm already aware of other editors. But, as I mentioned, I'm currently learning Python and an environment that actually lets me execute python code without having to first create and save a file is superior for that purpose, in my opinion. I already

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE and MacPython 2.5

For what it' worth, perhaps to save you some time, I recently spent a day evaluating these tools. Horses for courses, but for me: TextWrangler is a freebie BBEditLite - a very nice word-processor which is keyword aware; SPE is a full-blown development environment which includes wxglade interf

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE and MacPython 2.5

Ronald Oussoren wrote: >Could you open Console.app, clear the log and then try to start IDLE >again? Hopefully IDLE runs into a problem that gets written to the >console log. Here is what I see when I double-click on IDLE: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/Applications/MacPython 2.

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE and MacPython 2.5

While we're at it, if all you want is a Python-aware editor -- then there area a lot of other (better?) options. Scan the archives of this list for suggestions. A few: BBEdit (TextWrangler?) Eclipse SPE Jedit ScrIDE Assorted *nix editors: emaca, VIm, etc, etc. or look here: http://wiki.pytho

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE and MacPython 2.5

On Wednesday, October 25, 2006, at 02:00PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Ronald Oussoren wrote: >> IDLE works for me. Could you tell me more about the version of OSX you're >> using (and if 10.4, if you're on intel or ppc). >> >> >> For the record, if you are running 10.3.9: IDLE uses Tk for its

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE and MacPython 2.5

Ronald Oussoren wrote: > IDLE works for me. Could you tell me more about the version of OSX you're > using (and if 10.4, if you're on intel or ppc). > > > For the record, if you are running 10.3.9: IDLE uses Tk for its GUI, > you'll have to download and install that seperately: > http://tcltka

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE and MacPython 2.5

On Wednesday, October 25, 2006, at 01:07PM, Rodney Somerstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I downloaded Python 2.5 yesterday and am having a problem with the included >IDLE. If I launch IDLE by double-clicking, it shows up in the task bar, then >immediately goes away. I see no windows, menus,

[Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE and MacPython 2.5

I downloaded Python 2.5 yesterday and am having a problem with the included IDLE. If I launch IDLE by double-clicking, it shows up in the task bar, then immediately goes away. I see no windows, menus, etc. for the program. If I type IDLE at the command line, IDLE 1.2 launches with no problem. Th

[Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE (and others), 2.4.3 and Tkinter solution (for me)

I work on 10.3.9 and since i upgrade to python 2.4.3 universal, i cannot run IDLE without freezing but also other apps like mayavi that I must use in my work. Ronald Oussoren writes "but IDLE in MacPython 2.4   doesn't work for me after all. I'm seeing the same behaviour as you:   IDLE starts,

[Pythonmac-SIG] idle icon.

here's a crude draft of a concept, especially for those disliking snakes: http://univmail.cis.mcmaster.ca/~vinogri/mp/logopage.html ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig

[Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE

HiI have just been to a conference in Sydney called the National Computer Science School.  I have come home to work on some of the python concepts we have covered and am having a problem with my mac.  It won't  open .cgi files with IDLE.  I have tried to open it through "open with" and to change th

[Pythonmac-SIG] IDLE broken: Where are the IDLE user-preferences?

Hello everybody, can anyone please tell me where IDLE stores its user preferences? I have the same problem as Brad R. described a year ago, but there was no reply to that: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/pythonmac-sig/2004-December/012321.html I changed my Keybindings, too, and now I cannot lau