Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] dlopenflags and sharing symbols across python extension modules

2006-03-06 Thread Zachary Pincus
>> (2) Move to using dlopen() to load the libraries instead of >> NSLinkImage. This might need some minor changes to >> dynload_shlib.c, and it would need the configure script to be >> smart enough to choose dynload_next.c on 10.2 and below. > > If you come up with a patch for (2) against Pyt

[Pythonmac-SIG] building from source or installer

2006-03-06 Thread linda.s
what are the benefits of building python from source file? any difference if using installer? Linda ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Download page on www.python.org now updated

2006-03-06 Thread has
Donovan Preston wrote: >Stop with the 16 ton weight/snakes/apples debate. Just use the new, >official, python logo Absolutely agree, this is a solved problem already. It's not my most favourite logo design ever either (though still better than any others I've seen), but that's irrelevant. Build

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Download page on www.python.org now updated

2006-03-06 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On Monday, March 06, 2006, at 01:17PM, has <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Donovan Preston wrote: > >>Stop with the 16 ton weight/snakes/apples debate. Just use the new, >>official, python logo > >Absolutely agree, this is a solved problem already. It's not my most favourite >logo design ever eithe

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] building from source or installer

2006-03-06 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On Monday, March 06, 2006, at 11:12AM, linda.s <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >what are the benefits of building python from source file? >any difference if using installer? I'd use the installer, that way you don't have to worry about depedencies like readline and bsddb. Ronald >Linda >___

[Pythonmac-SIG] Python Ref Docs in OSX help format

2006-03-06 Thread Samuel M. Smith
I asked this before but no one responded. Wouldn't it be a good idea to include the Python Reference docs in Mac Help format in the the MacPython universal installer? or at least as another package ** Samuel M. Smith Ph.D. 2966

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Download page on www.python.org now updated

2006-03-06 Thread Brendan Simons
--- Ronald Oussoren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Fine by me, if someone actually creates the icons! > Brendan Simons has created some icons that look good > enough, although the launcher icon could be better. I did some more digging in /system and /developer, and found this icon: http://twotota

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Python Ref Docs in OSX help format

2006-03-06 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On Monday, March 06, 2006, at 05:13PM, Samuel M. Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I asked this before but no one responded. >Wouldn't it be a good idea to include the Python Reference docs in >Mac Help format in the the >MacPython universal installer? or at least as another package The big

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Download page on www.python.org now updated

2006-03-06 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On Monday, March 06, 2006, at 05:07PM, Brendan Simons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >--- Ronald Oussoren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Fine by me, if someone actually creates the icons! >> Brendan Simons has created some icons that look good >> enough, although the launcher icon could be better.

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Download page on www.python.org now updated

2006-03-06 Thread Brendan Simons
--- Ronald Oussoren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Monday, March 06, 2006, at 05:07PM, Brendan > Simons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >I did some more digging in /system and /developer, > and > >found this icon: > >http://twototango.blogs.com/Developer_Applications_JavaTools_AppletLauncher.png >

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] dlopenflags and sharing symbols across python extension modules

2006-03-06 Thread Bob Ippolito
On Mar 6, 2006, at 12:20 AM, Zachary Pincus wrote: >>> (2) Move to using dlopen() to load the libraries instead of >>> NSLinkImage. This might need some minor changes to >>> dynload_shlib.c, and it would need the configure script to be >>> smart enough to choose dynload_next.c on 10.2 and b

[Pythonmac-SIG] getting started with PyObjC

2006-03-06 Thread Scott Frankel
Following the simple example app that Apple provides for PyObjC has lead me to a number of questions ... and a failed build. The example demonstrates using Xcode & InterfaceBuilder to build a simple app, PyAverager. My attempts at a build yield "Build failed for target "Development" erro

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] getting started with PyObjC

2006-03-06 Thread Dethe Elza
Using XCode isn't really the best way to create PyObjC apps. The recommended way is to use InterfaceBuilder to create your UI, implement it with PyObjC, and use py2app to build the application from there. Check out the tutorial on the PyObjC site, and the docs for py2app. PyObjC tutorial: http:/

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] getting started with PyObjC

2006-03-06 Thread Scott Frankel
Thanks for the tips! On Mar 6, 2006, at 9:52 AM, Dethe Elza wrote: > Using XCode isn't really the best way to create PyObjC apps. The > recommended way is to use InterfaceBuilder to create your UI, > implement it with PyObjC, and use py2app to build the application from > there. > > Check out

[Pythonmac-SIG] ANN: ScrIDE 0.3

2006-03-06 Thread gandreas
So in an attempt to finally get rid of the potential morass that further work on PyOXIDE could be, I'm release a very early version of ScrIDE, a generic, extensible, scripting IDE. There are several major differences between the two - first, ScrIDE is designed to support multiple scripting

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Download page on www.python.org now updated

2006-03-06 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 6-mrt-2006, at 17:39, Brendan Simons wrote: > > --- Ronald Oussoren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Monday, March 06, 2006, at 05:07PM, Brendan >> Simons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> I did some more digging in /system and /developer, >> and >>> found this icon: >> >> http://twototango.blo

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Python Ref Docs in OSX help format

2006-03-06 Thread Charles Hartman
But the Mac Help program has always been and still is a dog. I'd much rather have the HTML docs myself. Charles On Mar 6, 2006, at 11:23 AM, Ronald Oussoren wrote: > > On Monday, March 06, 2006, at 05:13PM, Samuel M. Smith > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I asked this before but no one re

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Python Ref Docs in OSX help format

2006-03-06 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 6-mrt-2006, at 20:25, Charles Hartman wrote: > But the Mac Help program has always been and still is a dog. I'd > much rather have the HTML docs myself. One advantage of the Mac Help program is that it has a search function. IDLE's 'Help/Python Docs' just opens a webbrowser. I am however

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Python Ref Docs in OSX help format

2006-03-06 Thread Samuel M. Smith
I find the search to be very helpful. Is it hard to convert from HTML to Apple Help format? On 06 Mar, 2006, at 12:32, Ronald Oussoren wrote: > > On 6-mrt-2006, at 20:25, Charles Hartman wrote: > >> But the Mac Help program has always been and still is a dog. I'd >> much rather have the HTML

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Python Ref Docs in OSX help format

2006-03-06 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 6-mrt-2006, at 20:47, Samuel M. Smith wrote: > I find the search to be very helpful. Is it hard to convert from > HTML to Apple Help format? No, there's a script in the python tree to do the transformation. There's another script that compiles the search index, but that doesn't reliab

[Pythonmac-SIG] dl module on Mac python builds

2006-03-06 Thread Zachary Pincus
Hi folks, Despite the fact that dlopen() is available on OS X for 10.3 and above, the python dl module has not been made available on 10.3 and 10.4. Specifically, some code in the python setup.py script explicitly prevents the dl module from being built on darwin even if python sees dlfcn

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] dlopenflags and sharing symbols across python extension modules

2006-03-06 Thread Zachary Pincus
Thanks for your feedback, Bob. >> I don't have access to a 10.2 machine currently, so if someone is >> able to test this patch on 10.1, 10.2, and/or 10.3, I would be >> most grateful. I can try to find some 10.2 install disks (and hope >> that my computer can run 10.2) if nobody has easy acc

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] dlopenflags and sharing symbols across python extension modules

2006-03-06 Thread Zachary Pincus
>> I think the Mac OS X box on the sourceforge compile farm may be 10.2. Only if you're a developer on some SF project. Is there a python project someone can add me to so I can test this (and the dl module) patch? Or should I register some dummy project? Zach

[Pythonmac-SIG] simple help?

2006-03-06 Thread Charles Hartman
I'm getting really tired of not understanding this: Can someone point me to some single place that explains the whole path / PATH / PYTHONPATH arrangement for Python? I know there are two sorts on the Mac, framework and /usr, and I know some other bits and pieces, but I have no clear overal

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] dl module on Mac python builds

2006-03-06 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 7-mrt-2006, at 2:04, Zachary Pincus wrote: > Hi folks, > > Despite the fact that dlopen() is available on OS X for 10.3 and > above, the python dl module has not been made available on 10.3 and > 10.4. > > Specifically, some code in the python setup.py script explicitly > prevents the dl modul

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] dlopenflags and sharing symbols across python extension modules

2006-03-06 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 6-mrt-2006, at 3:24, Bob Ippolito wrote: > > On Mar 5, 2006, at 5:56 PM, Zachary Pincus wrote: > >> Otherwise, Mac Python's bundle loading code should have a way to >> expose the global symbol loading mechanism (necessary for C++ RTTI >> with templates) to user code. There are two ways that I

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] simple help?

2006-03-06 Thread Christopher Barker
Charles Hartman wrote: > I'm getting really tired of not understanding this: Can someone point > me to some single place that explains the whole path / PATH / > PYTHONPATH arrangement for Python? I know there are two sorts on the > Mac, framework and /usr, and I know some other bits and piece