Re: [Ql-Users] Help: Function to tell whether display is better than QL standard

2011-02-28 Thread ql
Am 28.02.2011 um 17:45 schrieb Marcel Kilgus : "It began life as SMSQ, a QDOS-compatible version of SMS2 intended for the Miracle Systems QXL emulator card" But yes, it did not include the PE, that was only the case of the "/E" versions. But I still think this is a fringe case, it didn't even i

Re: [Ql-Users] Help: Function to tell whether display is better than QL standard

2011-02-28 Thread tobias.froesc...@t-online.de
Marcel, you're right, tricked myself: when started with the big screen enabled, it seems that uqlx loads the Minerva ROM, regardless of what ROM you might have configured in the config file. Cheers, Tobias -Original-Nachricht- Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Help: Function to tell wh

Re: [Ql-Users] Help: Function to tell whether display is better than QL standard

2011-02-28 Thread Marcel Kilgus
tobias.froesc...@t-online.de wrote: > Marcel, > sorry to contradict again ;-) : > uqlx can run a JS ROM in 800x600 without PE quite well. This is right out of the uQLx source code: if (isMinerva) { [...] else /* JS doesn't handle big screen */ { bsfb: qlscreen.linel=128; ql

Re: [Ql-Users] Help: Function to tell whether display is better than QL standard

2011-02-28 Thread tobias.froesc...@t-online.de
Marcel, -- include any BASIC language after all. It was pre-release software and -- should be ignored for any new development, I think. That's what I did in the 90ies (I mean ignore). You couldn't do much else with it. Cheers Tobias ___ QL-Users

Re: [Ql-Users] Help: Function to tell whether display is better than QL standard

2011-02-28 Thread tobias.froesc...@t-online.de
QPC. But it doesn't expose Minerva's second screen for reasons unknown to me. Cheers, Tobias -Original-Nachricht- Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Help: Function to tell whether display is better than QL standard Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 17:37:06 +0100 From: Marcel Kilgus To: ql-us...

Re: [Ql-Users] Help: Function to tell whether display is better than QL standard

2011-02-28 Thread Marcel Kilgus
tobias.froesc...@t-online.de wrote: > Marcel, George, > my QXL originally came with "SMS" (neither "2" nor "Q" attached to it). > This definitely had no PE. (Today it's on newest SMSQ/E, naturally) I'm pretty sure that version was called SMSQ (it's the only version that was called SMSQ, actually).

Re: [Ql-Users] Help: Function to tell whether display is better than QL standard

2011-02-28 Thread Marcel Kilgus
tobias.froesc...@t-online.de wrote: > Yes, I'm sure ;-) > Mostly because I have to re-install PE from Dilwyn's site whenever I set up a > new Linux box Yes, you're right. I already had the suspicion that Minerva was written cleanly enough to support different screen layouts (had to really, be

Re: [Ql-Users] Help: Function to tell whether display is better than QL standard

2011-02-28 Thread tobias.froesc...@t-online.de
Marcel, George, my QXL originally came with "SMS" (neither "2" nor "Q" attached to it). This definitely had no PE. (Today it's on newest SMSQ/E, naturally) Cheers, Tobias -----Original-Nachricht- Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Help: Function to tell whether displ

Re: [Ql-Users] Help: Function to tell whether display is better than QL standard

2011-02-28 Thread tobias.froesc...@t-online.de
boot) The citation you made refers to the run-time patch mechanism of uqlx - If you load PE, it's being patched by uqlx, if you don't - it's just not there Cheers, Tobias -Original-Nachricht----- Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Help: Function to tell whether display is better than

Re: [Ql-Users] Help: Function to tell whether display is better than QL standard

2011-02-28 Thread Marcel Kilgus
gdgqler wrote: > There must have been some, otherwise I would certainly not have > gone to the trouble of testing different sizes! Nor, i suspect, would Mark > Knight. I'm genuinely curious and don't pretend that I know the whole truth. But except the "SMSQ for QXL" fringe case I cannot currently

Re: [Ql-Users] Help: Function to tell whether display is better than QL standard

2011-02-28 Thread Marcel Kilgus
tobias.froesc...@t-online.de wrote: > -- I think the PE was necessary for higher resolutions, so you can test > -- for that first. Afterwards IOP.FLIM should be able to find the screen > -- limits. > Not quite. > UQLX does offer higher resolutions without PE (sure you can run PE > on top of it.) >

Re: [Ql-Users] Help: Function to tell whether display is better than QL standard

2011-02-28 Thread gdgqler
On 28 Feb 2011, at 15:52, Marcel Kilgus wrote: > gdgqler wrote: >> IOP.FLIM is a good way of finding screen limits. It is slightly >> annoying if it is not available. I have programs which find the >> maximum size by trial and error if IOP.FLIM is not there. > > In which cases is IOP.FLIM not av

Re: [Ql-Users] Help: Function to tell whether display is better than QL standard

2011-02-28 Thread tobias.froesc...@t-online.de
Marcel, see my other post. Cheers, Tobias -Original-Nachricht- Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Help: Function to tell whether display is better than QL standard Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 16:52:53 +0100 From: Marcel Kilgus To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com gdgqler wrote: > IOP.FLIM is a good way of find

Re: [Ql-Users] Help: Function to tell whether display is better than QL standard

2011-02-28 Thread tobias.froesc...@t-online.de
-- I think the PE was necessary for higher resolutions, so you can test -- for that first. Afterwards IOP.FLIM should be able to find the screen -- limits. -- -- Marcel Not quite. UQLX does offer higher resolutions without PE (sure you can run PE on top of it.) And the original (preliminary) QXL

Re: [Ql-Users] Help: Function to tell whether display is better than QL standard

2011-02-28 Thread Marcel Kilgus
gdgqler wrote: > IOP.FLIM is a good way of finding screen limits. It is slightly > annoying if it is not available. I have programs which find the > maximum size by trial and error if IOP.FLIM is not there. In which cases is IOP.FLIM not available and the resolution not 512x256? Marcel _

Re: [Ql-Users] Help: Function to tell whether display is better than QL standard

2011-02-28 Thread gdgqler
On 28 Feb 2011, at 15:42, Marcel Kilgus wrote: > gdgqler wrote: >>> I'm looking for a function to use in S*BASIC that will tell me if the >>> display driver is capable of providing resolutions greater than the QL's >>> mode 4 & 8 defaults - it would be enough just to know if the display driver >>

Re: [Ql-Users] Help: Function to tell whether display is better than QL standard

2011-02-28 Thread Marcel Kilgus
gdgqler wrote: >> I'm looking for a function to use in S*BASIC that will tell me if the >> display driver is capable of providing resolutions greater than the QL's >> mode 4 & 8 defaults - it would be enough just to know if the display driver >> is GD2 or not. It has to run on any QL system, inclu

Re: [Ql-Users] Help: Function to tell whether display is better than QL standard

2011-02-28 Thread Adrian Ives
That's also a good way of doing it. Thanks, George. -Original Message- From: ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com [mailto:ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com] On Behalf Of gdgqler Sent: 28 February 2011 15:09 To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Help: Function to tell whether di

Re: [Ql-Users] Help: Function to tell whether display is better than QL standard

2011-02-28 Thread Adrian Ives
] On Behalf Of tobias.froesc...@t-online.de Sent: 28 February 2011 14:50 To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Help: Function to tell whether display is better than QL standard Adrian, there is (I think) not a single function that allows to retrieve this information, but some strong hints

Re: [Ql-Users] Help: Function to tell whether display is better than QL standard

2011-02-28 Thread gdgqler
On 28 Feb 2011, at 14:01, Adrian Ives wrote: > I know I've seen this somewhere but, as usual, when you really want > something it refuses to be found! > > > > I'm looking for a function to use in S*BASIC that will tell me if the > display driver is capable of providing resolutions greater than

Re: [Ql-Users] Help: Function to tell whether display is better than QL standard

2011-02-28 Thread tobias.froesc...@t-online.de
Adrian, there is (I think) not a single function that allows to retrieve this information, but some strong hints from the system that GD2 is there: - Use SD.EXTOP and check offset $64 of the channel table - this gives you the number of bytes per scanline. - use MT.DMODE to retrieve the screen mo