Re: ezmlm and "delay notifies" (was: Re: mini-bounce)

1999-03-25 Thread D. J. Bernstein
Tim Pierce writes: > My vacation program replied, and apparently that > was enough to confirm my subscription. A bounce is not a reply. All bouncers, including vacation programs, should return messages to the envelope sender. The envelope sender for an ezmlm confirmation request is a trash addres

Re: ezmlm and "delay notifies" (was: Re: mini-bounce)

1999-03-20 Thread Frederik Lindberg
On Sat, 20 Mar 1999, Tim Pierce wrote: > Agreed. But you shouldn't vacation-reply to a subscribe confirmation > message, either, or it defeats the whole purpose. I believe that > anyone running a BSD vacation program could be forge-subscribed to > this list, since ezmlm is basically guaranteed

Re: ezmlm and "delay notifies" (was: Re: mini-bounce)

1999-03-20 Thread Scott Schwartz
Tim Pierce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | Agreed. But you shouldn't vacation-reply to a subscribe confirmation | message, either, or it defeats the whole purpose. So maybe confirmation messages shouldn't be generated by replying to the envelope sender. Put the confirmation address in the message

Re: ezmlm and "delay notifies" (was: Re: mini-bounce)

1999-03-20 Thread Tim Pierce
On Thu, Mar 18, 1999 at 08:35:27AM -0600, Fred Lindberg wrote: > On Wed, 17 Mar 1999 20:55:55 -0500, Tim Pierce wrote: > > >On this list in particular, when you subscribe, the ezmlm confirmation > >message doesn't include any of the magic cookies traditionally > >associated with daemon messages (

Re: ezmlm and "delay notifies" (was: Re: mini-bounce)

1999-03-18 Thread Bruno Wolff III
I have a suggestion in this regard. Vacation programs should be using a precedence of junk (IMO not that of any standard) in their replies, so that perhaps ezmlm could ignore confirmations that have a precedence of junk.

Re: ezmlm and "delay notifies" (was: Re: mini-bounce)

1999-03-18 Thread Fred Lindberg
On Wed, 17 Mar 1999 20:55:55 -0500, Tim Pierce wrote: >On this list in particular, when you subscribe, the ezmlm confirmation >message doesn't include any of the magic cookies traditionally >associated with daemon messages (such as "Precedence: junk" or >"qmail-request"). My vacation program rep

Re: ezmlm and "delay notifies" (was: Re: mini-bounce)

1999-03-17 Thread Greg Owen {gowen}
>Lists should also identify themselves as lists so vacation programs >don't reply to them. > >On this list in particular, when you subscribe, the ezmlm confirmation >message doesn't include any of the magic cookies traditionally >associated with daemon messages (such as "Precedence: junk" or

Re: ezmlm and "delay notifies" (was: Re: mini-bounce)

1999-03-17 Thread Tim Pierce
On Tue, Mar 16, 1999 at 10:08:27AM -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Mon, Mar 15, 1999 at 06:13:15PM -0500, > Scott Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Peter van Dijk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > | But yes, it would consider these warnings as bounces. > > > > It also considers vacation

Re: ezmlm and "delay notifies" (was: Re: mini-bounce)

1999-03-16 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Mar 15, 1999 at 06:13:15PM -0500, Scott Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Peter van Dijk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > | But yes, it would consider these warnings as bounces. > > It also considers vacation messages to be bounces. :-( Vacation programs shouldn't be replying to lists

Re: ezmlm and "delay notifies" (was: Re: mini-bounce)

1999-03-16 Thread Fred Lindberg
On Mon, 15 Mar 1999 18:22:50 -0500, Justin Bell wrote: >but vacation messages shouldnt be replying to list email, right? 1. ezmlm lists can be set up via DIR/headeradd to contain "Precedence: Bulk". Vacation programs should not respond to these. ezmlm-idx since quite a while does this by default

Re: ezmlm and "delay notifies" (was: Re: mini-bounce)

1999-03-15 Thread Justin Bell
On Mon, Mar 15, 1999 at 06:13:15PM -0500, Scott Schwartz wrote: # Peter van Dijk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: # | But yes, it would consider these warnings as bounces. # # It also considers vacation messages to be bounces. :-( # but vacation messages shouldnt be replying to list email, right? -

Re: ezmlm and "delay notifies" (was: Re: mini-bounce)

1999-03-15 Thread Peter van Dijk
On Mon, Mar 15, 1999 at 06:13:15PM -0500, Scott Schwartz wrote: > Peter van Dijk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > | But yes, it would consider these warnings as bounces. > > It also considers vacation messages to be bounces. :-( Yes, but these are normally only sent out once.. Unless.. hmm.. damn.

Re: ezmlm and "delay notifies" (was: Re: mini-bounce)

1999-03-15 Thread Scott Schwartz
Peter van Dijk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | But yes, it would consider these warnings as bounces. It also considers vacation messages to be bounces. :-(

Re: ezmlm and "delay notifies" (was: Re: mini-bounce)

1999-03-15 Thread Peter van Dijk
On Mon, Mar 15, 1999 at 10:16:28PM +0100, Markus Stumpf wrote: > On Mon, Mar 15, 1999 at 10:05:04PM +0100, Stefan Paletta wrote: > > Samuel Dries-Daffner wrote/schrieb/scribsit: > > > We recently sent mail to another school and received what I call a > > > "mini-bounce" that follows. > > > > http

ezmlm and "delay notifies" (was: Re: mini-bounce)

1999-03-15 Thread Markus Stumpf
On Mon, Mar 15, 1999 at 10:05:04PM +0100, Stefan Paletta wrote: > Samuel Dries-Daffner wrote/schrieb/scribsit: > > We recently sent mail to another school and received what I call a > > "mini-bounce" that follows. > > http://www.erols.com/bwightman/qmail/ While we're on this I always wondered ho