[ntp:questions] Reg: NTP accuracy

2007-12-03 Thread linux newbie
HI, Need following clarification. Our Application needs to have two individual hardware (with DSP processor) to have same crystal clock freqency. Though individual boards are alike, due to environmental factors there might be drift after long run. As the two boards are connected to local LAN thro

Re: [ntp:questions] Time offset / Jitter under FreeBSD

2007-12-03 Thread Vince
Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > Bob wrote: >> I've been experimenting with running a timeserver under FreeBSD. Basically, >> I'm trying to build a dedicated box as a time server. I am currently running >> the Meinberg port under windows, and that seems stable. >> >> I installed FreeBSD on a drive, an

Re: [ntp:questions] Any samples for NTP/SNTP client code?

2007-12-03 Thread David Woolley
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > QueryPerformanceCounter() directly off the hardware. Windows > scheduling has no impact here, the drawbacks of tick counts do not Windows scheduling will cause uncertainty in the time you get from your SNTP requests which you use to cal

Re: [ntp:questions] Dual-core systems - AMD - Windows Vista

2007-12-03 Thread Martin Burnicki
Guys, David J Taylor wrote: > The Windows implementation does try to provide granularity within the > tick, but I have no idea how the Meinberg port I'm using handles > multi-processors. Checking. I see the routine: nt_clockstuff.c mentions > that how to handle multi-processors is not yet decide

Re: [ntp:questions] Dual-core systems - AMD - Windows Vista

2007-12-03 Thread David J Taylor
Martin Burnicki wrote: [] > I think a few notes are required here. > > The ntpd port for Windows does interpolate (or extrapolate?) between > the timer ticks. This has been in the NTP code base for a long time > and has _not_ been invented by Meinberg. And, just to recall, there > is no "Meinberg p

Re: [ntp:questions] Dual-core systems - AMD - Windows Vista

2007-12-03 Thread Martin Burnicki
Danny Mayer wrote: > David J Taylor wrote: >> Thanks for your reply. Perhaps my recollection is at fault here, but I >> recall that NTP on Windows uses some interpolation technique to overcome >> timer granularity, and that the interpolation used a CPU counter. > > We are intending to implement t

Re: [ntp:questions] Any samples for NTP/SNTP client code?

2007-12-03 Thread Martin Burnicki
Hal Murray wrote: > In article > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >>Does anybody know of any *practical* samples on how to >>implement NTP/SNTP client?. The goal is to provide accurate >>time for a program/client running on Windows Vista. > > Just curious. Why do you want to roll

Re: [ntp:questions] Time offset / Jitter under FreeBSD

2007-12-03 Thread Dag-Erling Smørgrav
"Bob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I installed FreeBSD on a drive, and booted my windows machine from it. The > FreeBSD port of ntpd shows a offsets in the 20-60 ms range. Issues with > jitter, also. Remember, the same machine running windows is generally sub > millisecond - http://www.pool.ntp

Re: [ntp:questions] Dual-core systems - AMD - Windows Vista

2007-12-03 Thread Danny Mayer
David J Taylor wrote: >> There is one other thing that needs to be considered. This is a 64-bit >> system> In that case it's possible that the code may need to be >> changed to deal with it properly. For example using the VS 2005 >> compiler I have found that it uses a 64-bit integer instead of 32-

Re: [ntp:questions] Dual-core systems - AMD - Windows Vista

2007-12-03 Thread Danny Mayer
Martin Burnicki wrote: > Guys, > > David J Taylor wrote: >> The Windows implementation does try to provide granularity within the >> tick, but I have no idea how the Meinberg port I'm using handles >> multi-processors. Checking. I see the routine: nt_clockstuff.c mentions >> that how to handle m

Re: [ntp:questions] Dual-core systems - AMD - Windows Vista

2007-12-03 Thread Danny Mayer
Martin Burnicki wrote: > Danny Mayer wrote: >> David J Taylor wrote: >>> Thanks for your reply. Perhaps my recollection is at fault here, but I >>> recall that NTP on Windows uses some interpolation technique to overcome >>> timer granularity, and that the interpolation used a CPU counter. >> We a

Re: [ntp:questions] Issues with ACCORD Reference Clock Driver

2007-12-03 Thread venu gopal
Hi Jason, I agree with you to some extent(#1, #2). I am trying to accomodate the changes in the NMEA driver itself. Binary format was designed to send GPS time and position data to another PCI card. I cannot tell you the whole story but the binary format has GPS time, sync

[ntp:questions] Reg comments on ACCORD Reference Clock Driver

2007-12-03 Thread venu gopal
Hi Jason and Harlan, I'll try to accomodate the changes for supporting the Accord GPS Clock in the NMEA driver itself. I shall test it in the production environment and let you know. Let me know the procedure to submit the code changes to the NTP code base. Venu _

Re: [ntp:questions] Dual-core systems - AMD - Windows Vista

2007-12-03 Thread David J Taylor
Danny Mayer wrote: [] > With VS 2005, just open the dsw file and tell it to convert all the > project files. I recently add the necessary macros to the dsp files so > that I don't have to add a bunch of macros every time I pull in a new > tarball. I'm only building on VS 2005 these days. Building o

Re: [ntp:questions] Dual-core systems - AMD - Windows Vista

2007-12-03 Thread Martin Burnicki
Danny, Danny Mayer wrote: > David J Taylor wrote: >> The version I'm testing is the 32-bit version of Vista, albeit on a >> 64-bit >> capable CPU. 64-bit can be a pain though for subtle errors, I >> appreciate. >> > > That's a problem. There are even more subtle issues when you run a > 32-bit O

Re: [ntp:questions] Dual-core systems - AMD - Windows Vista

2007-12-03 Thread Martin Burnicki
David, David J Taylor wrote: > Martin Burnicki wrote: >> While on legacy multiprocessor systems the CPU clocks (and thus the >> TSC) may differ for each CPU, I'm _assuming_ that multicore CPUs are >> clocked by the same source, so the TSCs should runs synchrounously. > > This assumption is probab

Re: [ntp:questions] Dual-core systems - AMD - Windows Vista

2007-12-03 Thread David J Taylor
Martin Burnicki wrote: > Danny, > > Danny Mayer wrote: >> David J Taylor wrote: >>> The version I'm testing is the 32-bit version of Vista, albeit on a >>> 64-bit >>> capable CPU. 64-bit can be a pain though for subtle errors, I >>> appreciate. >>> >> >> That's a problem. There are even more subtl

Re: [ntp:questions] Issues with ACCORD Reference Clock Driver

2007-12-03 Thread Hal Murray
>The NMEA driver uses 3 mode bits. I think more are available. >The docs say that flag1 is unused for the NMEA driver. It would be really nice if there was a clean way to specify the baud rate. Several of the NMEA units I'm familiar with allow you to set the baud rate they use. I expect there a

Re: [ntp:questions] Dual-core systems - AMD - Windows Vista

2007-12-03 Thread David J Taylor
Martin Burnicki wrote: [] > I've just set up a new test under Vista, so let's see. > > What I can say right now is that the default tick adjustment value is > 156001 instead of 156250 which it used to be on earlier Windows > versions. Also the granularity of the system clock has changed from > 15.6

[ntp:questions] Source address in response always the same as target address in request?

2007-12-03 Thread guuwwe
Are there any clear requirements in NTP/SNTP RFC docs about the UDP source address in all responses the same as the UDP target address in the original requests? I doubt it would be a UDP requirement because this is domain of upper protocols. ___ question

Re: [ntp:questions] Issues with ACCORD Reference Clock Driver

2007-12-03 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hal Murray wrote: >> The NMEA driver uses 3 mode bits. I think more are available. >> The docs say that flag1 is unused for the NMEA driver. > > It would be really nice if there was a clean way to specify the > baud rate. This is a general issue -- there are other drivers (e.g. the HP 58503) th

Re: [ntp:questions] Reg: NTP accuracy

2007-12-03 Thread Hal Murray
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (linux newbie) writes: >HI, >Need following clarification. > >Our Application needs to have two individual hardware (with DSP processor) >to have same crystal clock freqency. Though individual boards are alike, due >to environmental factors there m

Re: [ntp:questions] Issues with ACCORD Reference Clock Driver

2007-12-03 Thread Hal Murray
>> It would be really nice if there was a clean way to specify the >> baud rate. > >This is a general issue -- there are other drivers (e.g. the HP 58503) >that also assume a fixed baud rate and parity/stop bits. They cause a >lot of problems when trying to use not-quite-identical hardware (as

Re: [ntp:questions] Issues with ACCORD Reference Clock Driver

2007-12-03 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Hal Murray wrote: >>> It would be really nice if there was a clean way to specify the >>> baud rate. >> This is a general issue -- there are other drivers (e.g. the HP 58503) >> that also assume a fixed baud rate and parity/stop bits. They cause a >> lot of problems when trying to use not-quite-

Re: [ntp:questions] Any samples for NTP/SNTP client code?

2007-12-03 Thread guuwwe
On Dec 3, 3:34 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Woolley) wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > QueryPerformanceCounter() directly off the hardware. Windows > > scheduling has no impact here, the drawbacks of tick counts do not > > Windows scheduling will cause unce

Re: [ntp:questions] Any samples for NTP/SNTP client code?

2007-12-03 Thread guuwwe
On Dec 2, 9:34 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Danny Mayer) wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Dec 1, 3:07 pm, Joseph Gwinn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> In article > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>> Does anybody know of any *practical* samples on how to > >>> implement

Re: [ntp:questions] Any samples for NTP/SNTP client code?

2007-12-03 Thread Jan Ceuleers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Just look at the NTP/SNTP request format and for ***every*** field > explain why would a client send it to a server. Do not pick just one > field like MODE, explain for ***all*** fields. I believe that the principal reason for having the same format for the received

Re: [ntp:questions] Reg: NTP accuracy

2007-12-03 Thread Jan Ceuleers
linux newbie wrote: > HI, > Need following clarification. > > Our Application needs to have two individual hardware (with DSP processor) > to have same crystal clock freqency. Though individual boards are alike, due > to environmental factors there might be drift after long run. This suggests tha

Re: [ntp:questions] Issues with ACCORD Reference Clock Driver

2007-12-03 Thread David L. Mills
Jason, et al, You might have noticed the mode subcommand in the refclock command. It uses the ttl member in the association data structure and is intended to pass stuff like bit rate, etc., to the base driver. If at all posible, it would be best if the driver could automatically select the baud

Re: [ntp:questions] Dual-core systems - AMD - Windows Vista

2007-12-03 Thread David L. Mills
Evandro, Yes, the nanocode is aware that individual CPU clock rates can differ and vary over time. Since the only purpose is to interpolate between timer interrupts (Alpha) or second overflows (FreeBSD), all the code does is count the number of PCC cycles since the last interrupt to construct

Re: [ntp:questions] Issues with ACCORD Reference Clock Driver

2007-12-03 Thread David L. Mills
Hal, You raise a frustrating issue. It would be easy to add all kinds of things to the server line; however, the mobilization routine has a fixed format consistent with the ntpdc association managment code. Presumably, the new ntpq can do many things using existing configuration file commands,

Re: [ntp:questions] Issues with ACCORD Reference Clock Driver

2007-12-03 Thread Harlan Stenn
>>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "David L. Mills" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: David> ... The urge for utmost KISS and fewest driver files in the David> public distribution is very strong. The problem is that the David> distribution build process is so intricate that few refclock David> builders

Re: [ntp:questions] Reg: NTP accuracy

2007-12-03 Thread Harlan Stenn
>>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (linux newbie) writes: linux> We run 'ntpd' in server and ntpdate in the client and after every 5 linux> seconds, if we query the client (ntpdate -q) we find there is linux> millisecond difference. As both of them are connected through the lin

Re: [ntp:questions] Reg: NTP accuracy

2007-12-03 Thread Harlan Stenn
>>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jan Ceuleers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Jan> Work is ongoing in the IETF (e.g. TICTOC) and elsewhere (e.g. IEEE Jan> 1588). But before choosing a solution, you need to be clear on what Jan> problem you are trying to solve. I gather TICTOC is only a BOF at this

[ntp:questions] Distribution security

2007-12-03 Thread David L. Mills
Folks, Recently there have been several occasions where folks complained about one thing or another in the documentation, in particular when not using the "official" documentation via the web. The NTP maintainers and I have a very strict security policy for the NTP products maintained at U D

Re: [ntp:questions] Reg comments on ACCORD Reference Clock Driver

2007-12-03 Thread Harlan Stenn
Venu, Are you volunteering to be the maintainer for this code? If not, somebody will have to step up to do it. H -- http://ntpforum.isc.org - be a member! ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org https://lists.ntp.org/mailman/listinfo/ques

Re: [ntp:questions] Any samples for NTP/SNTP client code?

2007-12-03 Thread guuwwe
On Dec 3, 2:18 pm, Jan Ceuleers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Just look at the NTP/SNTP request format and for ***every*** field > > explain why would a client send it to a server. Do not pick just one > > field like MODE, explain for ***all*** fields. > > I believe t

Re: [ntp:questions] Distribution security

2007-12-03 Thread Harlan Stenn
>>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "David L. Mills" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: David> In fact, all snapshots, releases, bugzilla, repositories, NTP home David> page and NTP project site physically reside at U Delaware. Only the David> documents maintained by the NTP Support Project are physicall

Re: [ntp:questions] Issues with ACCORD Reference Clock Driver

2007-12-03 Thread David L. Mills
Harlan, Sorry, this is not true. It used to be that refclock contributors need only provide a driver file together with a couple of modifided tables. Now the submissions must include modified build scripts of arcane structure. Maybe you don't rememeber the ancient days. Dave Harlan Stenn wrot

Re: [ntp:questions] Reg comments on ACCORD Reference Clock Driver (Harlan Stenn)

2007-12-03 Thread venu gopal
Hi Harlan, Yes. I am volunteering to be the maintainer of the code. Infact I'll be more than happy to do this. I have been a fan of open-source community since about six years. I always wanted to be part of a project and contribute back to this community. I hope this is my c

Re: [ntp:questions] Time offset / Jitter under FreeBSD

2007-12-03 Thread Bob
"Dag-Erling Smørgrav" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > "Bob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> I installed FreeBSD on a drive, and booted my windows machine from it. >> The >> FreeBSD port of ntpd shows a offsets in the 20-60 ms range. Issues with >> jitter, also. Remem