Re: [ntp:questions] Vista NTP tamed, but with a blunt object

2009-01-19 Thread David Woolley
Dave Hart wrote: > offset. The Vista machine, however, has spasmed with spikes of plus > or minus 30-90ms in the offset with a wandering frequency drift > estimate. The offset doesn't mean the clock is wrong by this amount, although it does indicate that application programmes may not be able t

Re: [ntp:questions] Vista NTP tamed, but with a blunt object

2009-01-19 Thread Dave Hart
The approach I'm using for now to decide whether to use the interpolation thread is to repeatedly call GetSystemTimeAsFileTime until the sytem time ticks, and take the difference between the two subsequent readings. If this is greater than 4ms, the interpolation thread is started, otherwise, strai

Re: [ntp:questions] Vista NTP tamed, but with a blunt object

2009-01-19 Thread Terje Mathisen
Dave Hart wrote: > I have a couple of machines on the same LAN behind consumer broadband > NAT running ntp 4.2.4p6. > > One is running Windows XP, the other Windows Vista, both 32-bit OSes. > The Windows XP machine has done well with NTP, usually below 10ms > offset. The Vista machine, however, h

Re: [ntp:questions] Tracking the drift of a GPS clock relative to a HW clock

2009-01-19 Thread Terje Mathisen
ryad@gmail.com wrote: > On Jan 19, 10:26 pm, Terje Mathisen > wrote: >> ryad@gmail.com wrote: >>> Hello everybody, >>> I'm trying to track (offline) the drift of my gps clock relative to my >>> hw clock (the clock that I would have obtained without GPS). >>> My final goal is to convert a s

[ntp:questions] Vista NTP tamed, but with a blunt object

2009-01-19 Thread Dave Hart
I have a couple of machines on the same LAN behind consumer broadband NAT running ntp 4.2.4p6. One is running Windows XP, the other Windows Vista, both 32-bit OSes. The Windows XP machine has done well with NTP, usually below 10ms offset. The Vista machine, however, has spasmed with spikes of plu

Re: [ntp:questions] Tracking the drift of a GPS clock relative to a HW clock

2009-01-19 Thread Unruh
ryad@gmail.com writes: >On Jan 19, 6:54=A0pm, Unruh wrote: >> "your" gps clock does not drift. Your HW clock may drift. >> The time sent out by GPS is accurate to a few nanoseconds. Your hardware >> clock is not. >Of course. I agree. >> >hw clock (the clock that I would have obtained witho

Re: [ntp:questions] ntp peer association in VLAN query

2009-01-19 Thread Danny Mayer
kiran shirol wrote: > Danny, > > NTP sends the response with same address as it came in. So are you > suspecting that the VLAN is causing this issue. What could possibly be going > wrong ? > Then you need to show the exact send line and response line which is not what you showed me. Run ntpd -

Re: [ntp:questions] Tracking the drift of a GPS clock relative to a HW clock

2009-01-19 Thread ryad . bek
On Jan 19, 10:26 pm, Terje Mathisen wrote: > ryad@gmail.com wrote: > > Hello everybody, > > > I'm trying to track (offline) the drift of my gps clock relative to my > > hw clock (the clock that I would have obtained without GPS). > > My final goal is to convert a series of gps timestamps to th

Re: [ntp:questions] Tracking the drift of a GPS clock relative to a HW clock

2009-01-19 Thread Terje Mathisen
ryad@gmail.com wrote: > Hello everybody, > > I'm trying to track (offline) the drift of my gps clock relative to my > hw clock (the clock that I would have obtained without GPS). > My final goal is to convert a series of gps timestamps to the > equivalent hw timestamps (with microsec precision

Re: [ntp:questions] Sudden drop in frequency after software update

2009-01-19 Thread Evandro Menezes
On Jan 19, 12:28 am, hal-use...@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net (Hal Murray) wrote: > > The problem is the TSC calibration routine in recent kernels. But this is only a problem when the kernel uses the default boot option "clocksource=tsc". The article at http://support.ntp.org/bin/view/Support/K

Re: [ntp:questions] Tracking the drift of a GPS clock relative to a HW clock

2009-01-19 Thread ryad . bek
> However, it is not as simple as one can think, > because it seems that ntp sync the hardware clock each 11 minutes:( > This sync must be disabled. > > Is there a way to do that? I've a linux 2.6.25, the CONFIG_GENERIC_CMOS_UPDATE flag could help me (see: dicussion "Linux 11-minute mode (RTC u

Re: [ntp:questions] Tracking the drift of a GPS clock relative to a HW clock

2009-01-19 Thread ryad . bek
On Jan 19, 6:54 pm, Unruh wrote: > "your" gps clock does not drift. Your HW clock may drift. > The time sent out by GPS is accurate to a few nanoseconds. Your hardware > clock is not. Of course. I agree. > >hw clock (the clock that I would have obtained without GPS). > >My final goal is to conv

Re: [ntp:questions] Tracking the drift of a GPS clock relative to a HW clock

2009-01-19 Thread Unruh
ryad@gmail.com writes: >Hello everybody, >I'm trying to track (offline) the drift of my gps clock relative to my "your" gps clock does not drift. Your HW clock may drift. The time sent out by GPS is accurate to a few nanoseconds. Your hardware clock is not. >hw clock (the clock that I wou

Re: [ntp:questions] ntp peer association in VLAN query

2009-01-19 Thread Unruh
"kiran shirol" writes: >This is a multi-part message in MIME format. >--=_NextPart_000_0023_01C97A7A.22418D90 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >My switch has configured for peering with the following switches >ntp peer 101

Re: [ntp:questions] ntp peer association in VLAN query

2009-01-19 Thread kiran shirol
Danny, NTP sends the response with same address as it came in. So are you suspecting that the VLAN is causing this issue. What could possibly be going wrong ? Just for my understanding, how does the peer association work in general ? Any references would do. Thanks Kiran Shirol "Danny Mayer"

Re: [ntp:questions] ntp peer association in VLAN query

2009-01-19 Thread kiran shirol
Phil, Can you provide me the link to the discussion you had on the same topic ? I am interested in knowing more details. Regards, Kiran Shirol wrote in message news:of934f3a67.43d91a3c-on85257543.00586c3a-85257543.0058b...@wendys.com... > Danny - > > It sounds like this is the same behavior t

Re: [ntp:questions] ntp peer association in VLAN query

2009-01-19 Thread Phil . Newlon
Danny - It sounds like this is the same behavior that I asked about a few weeks ago, I think. I have a Windows machine with two IP addresses, acting as an NTP time source for devices on one of the two networks. Time synch requests come in from the clients on network A, and the response from the

Re: [ntp:questions] ntp peer association in VLAN query

2009-01-19 Thread Danny Mayer
kiran shirol wrote: > My switch has configured for peering with the following switches > > ntp peer 101.1.1.2 > ntp peer 101.2.2.2 > ntp peer 102.1.1.2 > > Vlan has the following configuration: > ip address 10.1.1.1/24 > ip address 20.1.1.1/24 secondary > > Peer sends the NTP message 20.1.1.2(Ou

[ntp:questions] Tracking the drift of a GPS clock relative to a HW clock

2009-01-19 Thread ryad . bek
Hello everybody, I'm trying to track (offline) the drift of my gps clock relative to my hw clock (the clock that I would have obtained without GPS). My final goal is to convert a series of gps timestamps to the equivalent hw timestamps (with microsec precision). My GPS clock is built from the shm

Re: [ntp:questions] Sudden drop in frequency after software update

2009-01-19 Thread Rob van der Putten
Hi there Adam Myrow wrote: > It would be interesting to know what kernel version those who are having > trouble with unstable drift in Linux are using. I am using kernel > 2.6.27.7, 2.6.26 > and it is very stable, varying no more than 5 PPM, even across > reboots. It should be noted that I r

Re: [ntp:questions] Sudden drop in frequency after software update

2009-01-19 Thread Danny Mayer
Adam Myrow wrote: > It would be interesting to know what kernel version those who are having > trouble with unstable drift in Linux are using. I am using kernel > 2.6.27.7, and it is very stable, varying no more than 5 PPM, even across > reboots. It should be noted that I rebuilt my kernel with t

Re: [ntp:questions] ntp peer association in VLAN query

2009-01-19 Thread kiran shirol
My switch has configured for peering with the following switches ntp peer 101.1.1.2 ntp peer 101.2.2.2 ntp peer 102.1.1.2 Vlan has the following configuration: ip address 10.1.1.1/24 ip address 20.1.1.1/24 secondary Peer sends the NTP message 20.1.1.2(Out-Interface) -> 20.1.1.1(VLANs secondary

Re: [ntp:questions] Sudden drop in frequency after software update

2009-01-19 Thread Adam Myrow
It would be interesting to know what kernel version those who are having trouble with unstable drift in Linux are using. I am using kernel 2.6.27.7, and it is very stable, varying no more than 5 PPM, even across reboots. It should be noted that I rebuilt my kernel with the timer frequency set to

Re: [ntp:questions] ntp peer association in VLAN query

2009-01-19 Thread Danny Mayer
kiran shirol wrote: > Hi NTP experts, > > I am not able to establish ntp peer adjaceny with secondary ip address on > vlan interface. > > I noticed that when peer sends a NTP message to Device Under Test's(DUT) > vlan interface secondary address, DUT would respond the message with source > add

Re: [ntp:questions] Sudden drop in frequency after software update

2009-01-19 Thread Rob van der Putten
Hi there Brian Inglis wrote: > Is spread specturm clock signal generation (EMI reduction) disabled for > the CPU and buses in the firmware? These are the BIOS options; CPU Spread Spectrum [Auto] Allows you to enable or disable the CPU spread spectrum. Configuration options: [Auto] [Disabled]

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP sever on an isolated Network

2009-01-19 Thread Speechless
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 02:25:33 -0700, Brian Inglis wrote: > On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 00:50:02 GMT in comp.protocols.time.ntp, Unruh > wrote: > >>"David J Taylor" >> writes: >> >>>Unruh wrote: >>>[] Yes, but that same manual says that the voltage for the 18PC version is 8-30V. It says nothing

Re: [ntp:questions] Sudden drop in frequency after software update

2009-01-19 Thread Sam Nelson
In article <49745d61$0$185$e4fe5...@news.xs4all.nl>, Nero Imhard writes: > David J Taylor schreef: > > Are current versions of FreeBSD much better for timekeeping than > > Linux? > > In my rather subjective raw user (or rather: administrator) experience > there are just too many little problems

Re: [ntp:questions] Sudden drop in frequency after software update

2009-01-19 Thread Nero Imhard
David J Taylor schreef: > Are current versions of FreeBSD much better for timekeeping than > Linux? In my rather subjective raw user (or rather: administrator) experience there are just too many little problems getting ntp to work decently starting from a stock Linux, and the result never instill

Re: [ntp:questions] Sudden drop in frequency after software update

2009-01-19 Thread Brian Inglis
On Mon, 19 Jan 2009 00:28:22 -0600 in comp.protocols.time.ntp, hal-use...@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net (Hal Murray) wrote: >>> Linux seme to be having a real real problem with its time calibration >>> routines. It's drift rate jumps on reboot by up to 50PPM from one >>> reboot to the next. > >>

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP sever on an isolated Network

2009-01-19 Thread Brian Inglis
On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 00:50:02 GMT in comp.protocols.time.ntp, Unruh wrote: >"David J Taylor" >writes: > >>Unruh wrote: >>[] >>> Yes, but that same manual says that the voltage for the 18PC version >>> is 8-30V. It says nothing about the internal voltage being the 4.5 to >>> 5.5 V. Not quite - t

[ntp:questions] ntp peer association in VLAN query

2009-01-19 Thread kiran shirol
Hi NTP experts, I am not able to establish ntp peer adjaceny with secondary ip address on vlan interface. I noticed that when peer sends a NTP message to Device Under Test's(DUT) vlan interface secondary address, DUT would respond the message with source address set to vlan interface's primary

Re: [ntp:questions] Sudden drop in frequency after software update

2009-01-19 Thread David J Taylor
David Woolley wrote: > David J Taylor wrote: > >> >> Would it be any better for the routine to lie, and just give to the >> nearest MHz, rounded down? > > That would result in an excessive error for those not using time > synchronisation software, I might say /tough/! > and would produce extreme