Re: [ntp:questions] ntpdate removal is coming

2011-12-13 Thread David J Taylor
"David Woolley" wrote in message news:jc8k6d$rad$1...@dont-email.me... [] The reason that he can get to the point of diminishing returns quickly is that they nature of the platform means that point has a relatively low time quality. It's also a matter of what you consider sufficiently accura

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpdate removal is coming

2011-12-13 Thread unruh
On 2011-12-13, Harlan Stenn wrote: > Richard wrote: > [much elided] > >> Like it or not, NTPD, when started, will need up to TEN HOURS to >> settle down with the best time that you are going to get! This is not >> a hardship if you run NTPD 24x365 (366 in leap years). If you have to >> shutdown

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpdate removal is coming

2011-12-13 Thread Harlan Stenn
Richard wrote: [much elided] > Like it or not, NTPD, when started, will need up to TEN HOURS to > settle down with the best time that you are going to get! This is not > a hardship if you run NTPD 24x365 (366 in leap years). If you have to > shutdown frequently and can't wait for NTPD to reach s

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpdate removal is coming

2011-12-13 Thread David Woolley
Richard B. Gilbert wrote: More recent versions of NTP may do better that what I have observed over The reason that he can get to the point of diminishing returns quickly is that they nature of the platform means that point has a relatively low time quality. the years. My systems run 24x3

Re: [ntp:questions] Question on how to Slew time in NTP

2011-12-13 Thread David Woolley
vijay agrawal wrote: As noted, with proper servers the time and rate of change of time will behave errors less than those introduced by your process. - Sync the existing server with NTPDate – b This will result in a step, not a slew. __

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpdate removal is coming

2011-12-13 Thread David Woolley
Richard B. Gilbert wrote: Like it or not, NTPD, when started, will need up to TEN HOURS to settle down with the best time that you are going to get! This is not a hardship if you run NTPD 24x365 (366 in leap years). If you have to shutdown frequently and can't wait for NTPD to reach steady s

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpdate removal is coming

2011-12-13 Thread unruh
On 2011-12-13, Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > On 12/12/2011 5:22 PM, Joe Wulf wrote: >> I wanted to add to the conversation. >> >>> Harlan wrote: From: Harlan Stenn Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2011 6:56 PM OK, and exactly why do you need "the time offset in the ballpark before >

Re: [ntp:questions] Question on how to Slew time in NTP

2011-12-13 Thread David Woolley
David J Taylor wrote: and let NTP take care of it all? Do you have some special requirement? I suspect one or both servers are free running. ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/questions

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpdate removal is coming

2011-12-13 Thread Richard B. Gilbert
On 12/13/2011 2:00 PM, David J Taylor wrote: "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote in message news:r8qdnwenqdhjchrtnz2dnuvz_qqdn...@giganews.com... [] Like it or not, NTPD, when started, will need up to TEN HOURS to settle down with the best time that you are going to get! This is not a hardship if you ru

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpdate removal is coming

2011-12-13 Thread David J Taylor
"Richard B. Gilbert" wrote in message news:r8qdnwenqdhjchrtnz2dnuvz_qqdn...@giganews.com... [] Like it or not, NTPD, when started, will need up to TEN HOURS to settle down with the best time that you are going to get! This is not a hardship if you run NTPD 24x365 (366 in leap years). If you

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpdate removal is coming

2011-12-13 Thread Richard B. Gilbert
On 12/12/2011 5:22 PM, Joe Wulf wrote: I wanted to add to the conversation. Harlan wrote: From: Harlan Stenn Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2011 6:56 PM OK, and exactly why do you need "the time offset in the ballpark before ntpd starts"? I believe we're gonna have both "ntp-wait" and "

Re: [ntp:questions] Question on how to Slew time in NTP

2011-12-13 Thread unruh
On 2011-12-13, vijay agrawal wrote: > Hi, > ?? > I have added new NTP server as Startum 1. I would like to sync my existing > NTP server with new NTP server. > ?? > But keeping the impact less, I would like to know what is the best method to > slew the time correctly. > ?? That is the job ntpd

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpdate removal is coming

2011-12-13 Thread unruh
On 2011-12-13, Harlan Stenn wrote: ... > Related items: > > - it takes some time to get a good idea of the drift. We have seen that > we can get the drift calculated to 3ppm or better in 300 seconds, so > we should be able to get the drift calculated to 30ppm or better in 30 > seconds' time

Re: [ntp:questions] How to verify Autokey Identity Schemes?

2011-12-13 Thread Steve Kostecke
On 2011-12-12, Joe Smithian wrote: > I have configured my NTP server and client to use Autokey with IFF > Identity scheme and it's working, client synchronizes to my servers. > It synchronizes with and without copying the IFF parameter to the > client. So I'm wondering if IFF identity scheme is a

Re: [ntp:questions] Question on how to Slew time in NTP

2011-12-13 Thread David J Taylor
Hi, I have added new NTP server as Startum 1. I would like to sync my existing NTP server with new NTP server. But keeping the impact less, I would like to know what is the best method to slew the time correctly. I have figured out the steps and would like to confirm the same. - F

Re: [ntp:questions] New ntp Server

2011-12-13 Thread Miguel Gonçalves
This is exactly why I prefer FreeBSD. Isn't this an option for you? Cheers, Miguel On 13/12/2011, at 10:14, "Mark C. Stephens" wrote: > I just tried Fedora 16, its quite full of bugs from Anaconda to gnome and > everything in between! > > I understand the political reasons for making the ful

[ntp:questions] Question on how to Slew time in NTP

2011-12-13 Thread vijay agrawal
Hi,   I have added new NTP server as Startum 1. I would like to sync my existing NTP server with new NTP server.   But keeping the impact less, I would like to know what is the best method to slew the time correctly.   I have figured out the steps and would like to confirm the same.   - 

Re: [ntp:questions] New ntp Server

2011-12-13 Thread Mark C. Stephens
I just tried Fedora 16, its quite full of bugs from Anaconda to gnome and everything in between! I understand the political reasons for making the full kernel source so obfuscated to install but I wish they would have some mercy on us guys out in userland. I may end up installing something lik