Re: [ntp:questions] Using NTP to calibrate sound app

2013-01-28 Thread David Taylor
On 27/01/2013 22:43, unruh wrote: [] I agree that 1% is pretty bad-- that is 1/6 of a semitone, which is clealy preceptible. However 1 cent, 1/100 of a semitone, is the limit of audibility, and it is VERY hard to tune a piano string to 1 cent (pin slippage and adjustment, frequency coupling

Re: [ntp:questions] Using NTP to calibrate sound app

2013-01-28 Thread Rob
Jeroen Mostert jmost...@xs4all.nl wrote: Even if you consider accurate detection of 1 cent to be good enough for tuning purposes, your measuring equipment still needs to be an order of magnitude better. A 0.1 cent difference is 57.8 ppm. 12 ppm is 0.02 cent, which isn't excessive if

[ntp:questions] NTP Stratum

2013-01-28 Thread deepak khandelwal
hi, Is there any configuration support in ntp by which i can drop to the local reference clock at desired stratum value (received from server) basically i want to drop to my local clock as my servers reach to stratum level 10 ? ___ questions mailing

[ntp:questions] NTP for latency measurement

2013-01-28 Thread jack flora
Hi, I would like to know if NTP can be used to measure latency between publishers and subscribers in a distributed computing environment. NTP is configured on all the nodes. How do I use the statistics collected on both the nodes to measure latency. Is there any tool that I can use for the same?

Re: [ntp:questions] Using NTP to calibrate sound app

2013-01-28 Thread no-one
On 28 Jan 2013 09:57:00 GMT, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: There will be the extra complication that a UMTS connection goes into a sleep mode when there is little or no traffic. To wake it up you need to send about 4 packets/second for some time. This is a very typical pattern on a UMTS

Re: [ntp:questions] Using NTP to calibrate sound app

2013-01-28 Thread Rob
no-...@no-place.org no-...@no-place.org wrote: On 28 Jan 2013 09:57:00 GMT, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: There will be the extra complication that a UMTS connection goes into a sleep mode when there is little or no traffic. To wake it up you need to send about 4 packets/second for some time.

Re: [ntp:questions] Using NTP to calibrate sound app

2013-01-28 Thread no-one
On 28 Jan 2013 17:18:27 GMT, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: WiFi has the same problem on a slightly smaller scale. With WiFi the pingtime jitters by 50 ms or so. OK, but if I understand this time protocol properly, the time-stamp is adjusted by me (the client) by half the round trip time. So

Re: [ntp:questions] Using NTP to calibrate sound app

2013-01-28 Thread Rob
no-...@no-place.org no-...@no-place.org wrote: On 28 Jan 2013 17:18:27 GMT, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: WiFi has the same problem on a slightly smaller scale. With WiFi the pingtime jitters by 50 ms or so. OK, but if I understand this time protocol properly, the time-stamp is adjusted by

Re: [ntp:questions] Using NTP to calibrate sound app

2013-01-28 Thread no-one
On 28 Jan 2013 17:56:10 GMT, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: In my opinion, when you think a crystal is not accurate enough, relying on single-shot time measurements via radio internet connection will *certainly* not be accurate enough. The protocols used on radio channels are not symmetric,

Re: [ntp:questions] Using NTP to calibrate sound app

2013-01-28 Thread E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists
Maarten Wiltink wrote: Maurice Janssen wrote: Please read http://www.pool.ntp.org/en/vendors.html . Indeed getting and using vendor.pool.ntp.org is superior. At that point, however, it strikes me that using time.vendor.tld serves the vendor even better, what with having actual control

Re: [ntp:questions] Using NTP to calibrate sound app

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no-...@no-place.org wrote: It is also my experience that long term crystal stability in these devices is way better than their absolute accuracy. So a one-time calibration is a big improvement over assuming the nominal sampling frequency. As I have pointed out before, whatever the

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP Stratum

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deepak khandelwal wrote: Is there any configuration support in ntp by which i can drop to the local reference clock at desired stratum value (received from server) basically i want to drop to my local clock as my servers reach to stratum level 10 ? See floor and ceiling? -- E-Mail Sent

Re: [ntp:questions] Updating the leapseconds file -- how to signal ntpd

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Mischanko, Edward T wrote: NTP 4.2.7 has been in development for over 6 months and is very stable, yet, yes, it's still in development. IIRC over 3 years. -- E-Mail Sent to this address blackl...@anitech-systems.com will be added to the BlackLists.

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP for latency measurement

2013-01-28 Thread unruh
On 2013-01-28, jack flora flora...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I would like to know if NTP can be used to measure latency between publishers and subscribers in a distributed computing environment. NTP is configured on all the nodes. How do I use the statistics collected on both the nodes to measure

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP Stratum

2013-01-28 Thread unruh
On 2013-01-26, deepak khandelwal dazz...@gmail.com wrote: hi, Is there any configuration support in ntp by which i can drop to the local reference clock at desired stratum value (received from server) basically i want to drop to my local clock as my servers reach to stratum level 10 ? There

Re: [ntp:questions] Using NTP to calibrate sound app

2013-01-28 Thread unruh
On 2013-01-28, Jeroen Mostert jmost...@xs4all.nl wrote: On 2013-01-27 23:43, unruh wrote: On 2013-01-27, David Taylordavid-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid wrote: On 27/01/2013 19:33, unruh wrote: On 2013-01-27, no-...@no-place.orgno-...@no-place.org wrote: [] In case you are wondering, my

Re: [ntp:questions] Using NTP to calibrate sound app

2013-01-28 Thread unruh
On 2013-01-28, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: no-...@no-place.org no-...@no-place.org wrote: On 28 Jan 2013 09:57:00 GMT, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: There will be the extra complication that a UMTS connection goes into a sleep mode when there is little or no traffic. To wake it up you need

Re: [ntp:questions] Using NTP to calibrate sound app

2013-01-28 Thread Jeroen Mostert
On 2013-01-28 23:04, unruh wrote: On 2013-01-28, Jeroen Mostertjmost...@xs4all.nl wrote: On 2013-01-27 23:43, unruh wrote: On 2013-01-27, David Taylordavid-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid wrote: On 27/01/2013 19:33, unruh wrote: On 2013-01-27, no-...@no-place.orgno-...@no-place.org

Re: [ntp:questions] Using NTP to calibrate sound app

2013-01-28 Thread E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists
unruh wrote: Jeroen Mostert wrote: Even if you consider accurate detection of 1 cent to be good enough for tuning purposes, your measuring equipment still needs to be an order of magnitude better. A 0.1 cent difference is 57.8 ppm. 12 ppm is 0.02 cent, which isn't excessive if you're