Re: [ntp:questions] Confused about pool rotation

2013-02-07 Thread Ivan Shmakov
> Hal Murray writes: > no-...@no-place.org writes: [Cross-posting to news:free.comp.dns.] >> I am trying to get to know SNTP by doing some Winsock programming. >> In particular, I am using >> getaddrinfo("pool.ntp.org", "123", &hints, &gaires); >> where hints has been set u

[ntp:questions] measuring frequency

2013-02-07 Thread Ivan Shmakov
> David Woolley writes: [Cross-posting, and setting Followup-To:, to news:comp.dsp.] [...] > In Fourier terms, the spectral width of a piano note is going to be > more than 12ppm and depend on the exact interval over which you > measure it. I would also suspect that the zero cro

Re: [ntp:questions] Does the pool directive automatically imply "preempt"?

2013-02-07 Thread Terje Mathisen
Hal Murray wrote: It effectively does imply 'preempt', since a pool of servers (from a pool xyz statement) will be monitored and regularly filtered, replacing the worst servers with the results of a fresh dns lookup. Does it replace bad servers or only dead ones? I think the latter, but I ha

Re: [ntp:questions] What do these messages say about the passage of time?

2013-02-07 Thread Rick Jones
I've been informed by the folks with the ability to do a laying-on of hands with this system have run an experiement where they disabled NTP and indeed no longer see the 600 millisecond time shifts. If there are indeed somewhat common 600 millisecond time steps, doesn't that suggest that NTP is ha

Re: [ntp:questions] Confused about pool rotation

2013-02-07 Thread E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists
unruh wrote: > sntp uses the same round trip algorithm that ntp does. If he writes his implementation similar to ntp.org's reference implementation, or even similar to the RFC reference standard. I've seen many things use NTP protocol to request and parse a timestamp packet from a NTP server,

Re: [ntp:questions] Confused about pool rotation

2013-02-07 Thread Robert Scott
On Thu, 07 Feb 2013 08:10:44 +, David Woolley wrote: > If it is measuring the >frequency, the first problem is going to be defining what you mean by >frequency. In Fourier terms, the spectral width of a piano note is >going to be more than 12ppm and depend on the exact interval over which

Re: [ntp:questions] Confused about pool rotation

2013-02-07 Thread Terje Mathisen
Mike S wrote: On 2/7/2013 2:17 AM, Terje Mathisen wrote: Most (GSM/3G/4G) cell towers make do with OCXOs/TCXOs, but very good ones, rated at a few ppb/day in drift rate. ... The interesting part here is that the actual requirement is for _frequency_ synchronization, not absolute time sync!

Re: [ntp:questions] Confused about pool rotation

2013-02-07 Thread Mike S
On 2/7/2013 2:17 AM, Terje Mathisen wrote: Most (GSM/3G/4G) cell towers make do with OCXOs/TCXOs, but very good ones, rated at a few ppb/day in drift rate. ... The interesting part here is that the actual requirement is for _frequency_ synchronization, not absolute time sync! You're probabl

Re: [ntp:questions] Confused about pool rotation

2013-02-07 Thread Charles Elliott
Have you ever tried to synchronize to the pool servers with NTPD for any length of time? I did once, admittedly several years ago. They weaved and waved all over the time domain so much (at least +- 50 ms) that it was impossible to have stable time on the client. I would suggest you try

Re: [ntp:questions] Confused about pool rotation

2013-02-07 Thread David Woolley
Robert Scott wrote: As I explained in another thread last week, my app is not a time app. It is a precision audio frequency measuring app. The users of this app expect frequency accuracy on the order of 12 ppm. To achieve this I had previously assumed this was an electronic tuning fork, gen