Re: [ntp:questions] Issues installing ntpd on Win 7

2014-04-28 Thread A C
On 2014-04-28 22:23, David Taylor wrote: > On 29/04/2014 05:51, A C wrote: > [] >> Followed the same instructions, no dice. > > .. and what are the messages in the Windows Event Log(s)? > The original error messages were: A timeout was reached (3 milliseconds) while waiting for the Network

Re: [ntp:questions] Issues installing ntpd on Win 7

2014-04-28 Thread David Taylor
On 29/04/2014 05:51, A C wrote: [] Followed the same instructions, no dice. .. and what are the messages in the Windows Event Log(s)? -- Cheers, David Web: http://www.satsignal.eu ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.o

Re: [ntp:questions] Issues installing ntpd on Win 7

2014-04-28 Thread A C
On 2014-04-28 21:51, A C wrote: > On 2014-04-28 21:24, David Taylor wrote: >> On 29/04/2014 00:53, A C wrote: >>> Has anyone recently (within the last few months) tried installing the >>> Meinberg compiled ntpd on Win 7 successfully? I just built a new >>> machine, put a clean copy of Win 7 on it,

Re: [ntp:questions] Issues installing ntpd on Win 7

2014-04-28 Thread A C
On 2014-04-28 21:24, David Taylor wrote: > On 29/04/2014 00:53, A C wrote: >> Has anyone recently (within the last few months) tried installing the >> Meinberg compiled ntpd on Win 7 successfully? I just built a new >> machine, put a clean copy of Win 7 on it, tried to install ntpd and >> ended up

Re: [ntp:questions] Can NTP sync within 1ms

2014-04-28 Thread David Taylor
For Rob, I would suggest that each TX have a GPS/PPS reference with sky view, and that each PC was identical (e.g. all Raspberry Pi cards), and then getting them synced to with 12 microseconds should be easy. I achieve this even with indoor GPS puck antennas: http://www.satsignal.eu/mrtg/pe

Re: [ntp:questions] Issues installing ntpd on Win 7

2014-04-28 Thread A C
On 2014-04-28 18:37, Brian Inglis wrote: > On 2014-04-28 17:53, A C wrote: >> Has anyone recently (within the last few months) tried installing the >> Meinberg compiled ntpd on Win 7 successfully? I just built a new >> machine, put a clean copy of Win 7 on it, tried to install ntpd and >> ended up

Re: [ntp:questions] Issues installing ntpd on Win 7

2014-04-28 Thread David Taylor
On 29/04/2014 00:53, A C wrote: Has anyone recently (within the last few months) tried installing the Meinberg compiled ntpd on Win 7 successfully? I just built a new machine, put a clean copy of Win 7 on it, tried to install ntpd and ended up with the "unable to start" error (number 1053). The

Re: [ntp:questions] Attn Linux distributors - pse include PPS

2014-04-28 Thread David Taylor
On 26/04/2014 05:05, Harlan Stenn wrote: William Unruh writes: [] More recent ntpd combine server and client in one program. Not sure when that was. It's been the case for at least 20 years' time. This is something that may be different in the upcoming rewrite. H I hope not, as it would m

Re: [ntp:questions] Can NTP sync within 12us for NBFM

2014-04-28 Thread Brian Inglis
On 2014-04-28 13:20, William Unruh wrote: On 2014-04-28, Rob wrote: William Unruh wrote: All in all it is funny to read all the "that cannot be done"-like comments by several persons on a ntp newsgroup while systems like this have been in use since the seventies, and in fact have already been

Re: [ntp:questions] Issues installing ntpd on Win 7

2014-04-28 Thread Brian Inglis
On 2014-04-28 17:53, A C wrote: Has anyone recently (within the last few months) tried installing the Meinberg compiled ntpd on Win 7 successfully? I just built a new machine, put a clean copy of Win 7 on it, tried to install ntpd and ended up with the "unable to start" error (number 1053). The

[ntp:questions] Issues installing ntpd on Win 7

2014-04-28 Thread A C
Has anyone recently (within the last few months) tried installing the Meinberg compiled ntpd on Win 7 successfully? I just built a new machine, put a clean copy of Win 7 on it, tried to install ntpd and ended up with the "unable to start" error (number 1053). The ntpd user account was created, th

Re: [ntp:questions] Can NTP sync within 1ms

2014-04-28 Thread William Unruh
On 2014-04-28, Rob wrote: > William Unruh wrote: >>> All in all it is funny to read all the "that cannot be done"-like comments >>> by several persons on a ntp newsgroup while systems like this have been in >>> use since the seventies, and in fact have already been build by amateurs >>> and are i

Re: [ntp:questions] Can NTP sync within 1ms

2014-04-28 Thread David Woolley
On 28/04/14 18:14, William Unruh wrote: Not sure why they would need a lower cutoff, except that it would allow the ancient telephone receivers to comply. To give good carrier suppression on analogue carrier systems! I believe that there is also a lot of energy below 300Hz that doesn't contri

Re: [ntp:questions] Can NTP sync within 1ms

2014-04-28 Thread Jan Ceuleers
On 04/28/2014 07:37 PM, Henry Hallam wrote: > On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 10:14 AM, William Unruh wrote: >> Not sure why they would need a lower cutoff, except that it would allow >> the ancient telephone receivers to comply. Certainly one can make >> cheap receivers now that go a lot lower than 300Hz

Re: [ntp:questions] Can NTP sync within 1ms

2014-04-28 Thread Henry Hallam
On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 10:14 AM, William Unruh wrote: > Not sure why they would need a lower cutoff, except that it would allow > the ancient telephone receivers to comply. Certainly one can make > cheap receivers now that go a lot lower than 300Hz. Because 3.1 kHz of bandwidth is cheaper for th

Re: [ntp:questions] Can NTP sync within 1ms

2014-04-28 Thread William Unruh
On 2014-04-28, David Woolley wrote: > On 28/04/14 16:19, William Unruh wrote: >> For voice, the max frequency is something like 4KHz (eg telephone >> quality) which is 250us (125us sampling) . > > Telephone quality is 3.1 kHz bandwidth from 300Hz to 3.4kHz, which > allows for channel filters/real

Re: [ntp:questions] Can NTP sync within 1ms

2014-04-28 Thread Rob
William Unruh wrote: >> All in all it is funny to read all the "that cannot be done"-like comments >> by several persons on a ntp newsgroup while systems like this have been in >> use since the seventies, and in fact have already been build by amateurs >> and are in operation today. So I prefer t

Re: [ntp:questions] Can NTP sync within 1ms

2014-04-28 Thread David Woolley
On 28/04/14 16:19, William Unruh wrote: For voice, the max frequency is something like 4KHz (eg telephone quality) which is 250us (125us sampling) . Telephone quality is 3.1 kHz bandwidth from 300Hz to 3.4kHz, which allows for channel filters/realisable anti-aliasing filters. I believe that

Re: [ntp:questions] Can NTP sync within 1ms

2014-04-28 Thread William Unruh
On 2014-04-28, Rob wrote: > Jochen Bern wrote: >> However, that *does* leave me wondering where the 12 us figure comes >> into play. With the typical distances between 2m and even 70cm >> repeaters, the mobile transceivers will see shifts *far* beyond that >> between different repeaters' sig

Re: [ntp:questions] Can NTP sync within 1ms

2014-04-28 Thread Rob
David Woolley wrote: > On 27/04/14 19:20, j...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >> The goal is not to have 12us difference in arrival time, but to be >>>within 12us for transmission time. > > But it is the difference in arrival time that will affect the quality of > the audio that is heard, so it is t

Re: [ntp:questions] Can NTP sync within 1ms

2014-04-28 Thread Rob
William Unruh wrote: > On 2014-04-27, Rob wrote: >> j...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: The listeners should enjoy a smooth reception while driving around. So of course there should be no time lag between the modulation signals of the different transmitters. Experts in the field tel

Re: [ntp:questions] Can NTP sync within 1ms

2014-04-28 Thread David Woolley
On 27/04/14 19:20, j...@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: The goal is not to have 12us difference in arrival time, but to be within 12us for transmission time. But it is the difference in arrival time that will affect the quality of the audio that is heard, so it is that which you would need to con