Re: [ntp:questions] Trimble Resolution T

2011-10-16 Thread Bill Unruh
On Sun, 16 Oct 2011, Miguel Gonçalves wrote: On 16 October 2011 19:10, unruh un...@physics.ubc.ca wrote: In comp.protocols.time.ntp, you wrote: Hi! Anyone here used a Trimble Resolution T with NTP? From the pictures (all of the data sheets give a java error-- why in the world they couldn't

Re: [ntp:questions] Trimble Resolution T

2011-10-16 Thread Bill Unruh
OK, can now get the datasheets, and it apparently does have a serial port The pulse is 3.3V so should be ok to run most serial port interrupts. It gets nmea but the control of the nmea seems to be via their proprietary language. So If you could switch the receiver into nmea befor it is grabbed

Re: [ntp:questions] garmin 18x and linux

2011-09-07 Thread Bill Unruh
On Wed, 7 Sep 2011, Miguel Gonçalves wrote: On 7 September 2011 05:07, unruh un...@physics.ubc.ca wrote: I've tried Garmin 18 LVC and Sure. Not want to start a war here but for the specifications and price Oncore beats both. :-) Beats them how? What measurements have you made of those two

Re: [ntp:questions] garmin 18x and linux

2011-09-07 Thread Bill Unruh
On Wed, 7 Sep 2011, Chris Albertson wrote: 2011/9/7 Miguel Gonçalves m...@miguelgoncalves.com: On 7 September 2011 05:07, unruh un...@physics.ubc.ca wrote:   I've tried Garmin 18 LVC and Sure. Not want to start a war here but for the specifications and price Oncore beats both. :-) Beats

Re: [ntp:questions] what happens when sys.peer turns stratum 16?

2010-05-31 Thread Bill Unruh
References: 4eea00b1-966a-4f39-a6cc-265ce959c...@s4g2000prh.googlegroups.com slrni06c22.l1a.un...@wormhole.physics.ubc.ca uo3cd7-9231@ntp.tmsw.no On 2010-05-31, Terje Mathisen terje.mathisen at tmsw.no wrote: unruh wrote: Note, that this is one of the reasons why your customers should

Re: [ntp:questions] Polling time backoff

2009-12-02 Thread Bill Unruh
On Sun, 29 Nov 2009, Richard B. Gilbert wrote: A much oversimplified explanation is that short poll intervals are used to correct large errors quickly and long intervals are to correct small errors very accurately. That is true if you are refering to rate errors, it is not for offset

Re: [ntp:questions] Stick to PPS, even if the prefer server fails

2009-03-28 Thread Bill Unruh
Harlan Stenn st...@ntp.org writes: In article 968zl.19988$ph1.19...@edtnps82, Unruh unruh-s...@physics.ubc.ca writes: Unruh That may be the logic, but it is seriously flawed. It also indicates Unruh that the decision to interpret PPS separately from the other drivers Unruh is flawed. atom

Re: [ntp:questions] Learnings: FC8 Linux ntpd syncs to NMEA message but not PPS

2009-01-29 Thread Bill Unruh
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009, phil.new...@wendysarbys.com wrote: - If you have NMEA output from the GPS in your ntp.conf file (127.127.20.0), expect it to have reach 0 reported when you finally get PPS (127.127.28.0) working. You can have NMEA or PPS from your serial input, you just can't have both

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd syncs to NMEA message but not PPS

2009-01-26 Thread Bill Unruh
shmpps is a program which uses the shm refclock driver. It is referenced on time.qnan.org, and you can get the driver from there. In ntp, you set ntp to use the shm refclock Eg in my /etc/ntp.conf I have server 127.127.28.0 minpoll 4 prefer fudge 127.127.28.0 refid PPS flag3 1 This tells ntp to

Re: [ntp:questions] My extra second ...

2009-01-03 Thread Bill Unruh
On Sat, 3 Jan 2009, Danny Mayer wrote: Unruh wrote: George R. Kasica geor...@netwrx1.com writes: On Fri, 02 Jan 2009 14:31:34 +0100, Rob van der Putten r...@sput.nl wrote: Hi there Steve Kostecke wrote: All my Linux systems had a fine time. None of them locked up / crashed / rebooted

Re: [ntp:questions] Leap Second

2008-12-02 Thread Bill Unruh
Unruh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi all, Since yesterday I saw the leap second Flag set on some servers of ntp.pool.org. I'am quite surprise because the leap second add to be set the 31/12/2008 and not the 1/12/2008. Is it normal The leap is announced at the

Re: [ntp:questions] broadcast client

2008-11-22 Thread Bill Unruh
On Sat, 22 Nov 2008, Danny Mayer wrote: Normally I would not respond to a 2 month old message but I need to correct some things here that were written. Unruh wrote: connected via 1 Gbps switch. The network is lightly loaded and I configured the clients as such server ntp minpoll 4

Re: [ntp:questions] Speed of ntp convergence

2008-11-07 Thread Bill Unruh
The key seems to be the lines: etemp = min(mu, (u_long)ULOGTOD(sys_poll)); dtemp = 4 * CLOCK_PLL * ULOGTOD(sys_poll); plladj = fp_offset * etemp / (dtemp * dtemp); Ie if we assume that the etemp is determined by the poll interval, we have plladj=fp_offset

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd -q is slow compared to ntpdate

2008-10-20 Thread Bill Unruh
Harlan Stenn [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nick's SNTP code is about to be replaced with completely new code, written by J. Max Kuehn as his GSoC project. Ah. OK. And this program will do what? Is it supposed to be a fully fledged sntp (ie, act as a client only ntp program, or a server only if there

Re: [ntp:questions] Finding out where ntpd gets its ntp.conf file

2008-09-11 Thread Bill Unruh
Joseph Gwinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hal Murray) wrote: I'm not a sysadmin, but am digging into service. I don't recall that the service man page was that helpful, but will look again. service is mostly a shortcut to save typing. If you

[ntp:questions] What happens if ntp server unavailable at start up?

2008-09-11 Thread Bill Unruh
A question has arisen in another group-- What happens if, when ntp starts up, the remoter server is unavailable ( eg no DNS or no connection)? This is highly likely to be the case for a laptop for example, where the connection with the local network is only brought up by the user after a while, or

Re: [ntp:questions] Linux 11-minute mode (RTC update)

2008-07-24 Thread Bill Unruh
Uwe Klein [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Serge Bets wrote: Hello David, On Tuesday, July 22, 2008 at 7:45:06 +0100, David Woolley wrote: Serge Bets wrote: Hwclock 2.33 sets the RTC with typically a maximum error of 10 microseconds That would only be possible if the RTC's counter was updated

Re: [ntp:questions] drift modeling question

2008-07-11 Thread Bill Unruh
shy author [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Has anyone thought about removing both the linear terms and quadratic terms in the drift, by utilizing the temperature sensor readings available on many of the latest motherboards? Crystal oscillators tend to have both a linear bias and a quadratic bias,

Re: [ntp:questions] question about DST

2008-05-31 Thread Bill Unruh
On Sat, 31 May 2008, Asrai khn wrote: Its mix of OS Linux, Unix (sun, freebsd) and yes we also have some hardware of Lucent (MaxTNT) that running thers OS TAOS, As i said we dont' have this DST before and its first time government is implementing it (coz of sever power crises) Which

Re: [ntp:questions] question about DST

2008-05-30 Thread Bill Unruh
On Fri, 30 May 2008, Kevin Oberman wrote: From: Unruh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 20:10:19 GMT Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Asrai khn) writes: Note: please reply to me direct as i am not subscribe to mailing list. It is not a mailing list, it is a news

Re: [ntp:questions] Power-saving patch to NTP

2008-05-15 Thread Bill Unruh
David L. Mills [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jan, A timer interrupt is required each second to update the clock frequency no matter what. In addition, a sweep is made through the associations to I thought that the ntp daemon runs the per second routine only if the kernel discipline is not

Re: [ntp:questions] frequency adjusting only

2008-04-30 Thread Bill Unruh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (maxime louvel) writes: On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 6:27 PM, Unruh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (maxime louvel) writes: Hi, I have know run a lot of tests. Just to let you know what I've got so far. I have tried NTP, and NTP + PTP (Precision Time Protocol). I

Re: [ntp:questions] frequency adjusting only

2008-04-30 Thread Bill Unruh
it in a small lan. Greg Dowd gdowd at symmetricom dot com (antispam format) Symmetricom, Inc. www.symmetricom.com Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler Albert Einstein -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill

Re: [ntp:questions] frequency adjusting only

2008-04-30 Thread Bill Unruh
should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler Albert Einstein And I think ntp is too simple. -Original Message- From: Bill Unruh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 3:21 PM To: Greg Dowd Cc: questions@lists.ntp.org Subject: RE: [ntp:questions] frequency

Re: [ntp:questions] high precision tracking: trying to understand sudden jumps

2008-03-30 Thread Bill Unruh
On Sun, 30 Mar 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 04:51 PM 3/30/2008 -0700, Bill Unruh wrote: Are those on the same day? Yes, same day. Uncorrelated to anything I can identify or each other. Same story on all the boxes. Running a hefty multi-system compile with heavy NFS and Samba

Re: [ntp:questions] SNTP server + ntpd 4.2.4 client

2008-03-18 Thread Bill Unruh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andy Helten) writes: I use PoE every day -- it powers the outdoor antennae that connects to my wireless ISP (distance of about 5 miles). I have gotten up to 3000kb/s over this link (which is slightly higher than what I'm paying for). So, whatever you are debating here, PoE is

Re: [ntp:questions] chrony and ntp comparison-- ADSL hookup

2008-02-19 Thread Bill Unruh
Bill Unruh [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have now run some absolute time discipline tests using chrony and ntp The server is a GPS PPM disciplined clock using ntp. The client is a machine on an ADSL line. The round trip between server and client is about 16ms, which is about 100 times longer than

Re: [ntp:questions] strange behaviour of ntp peerstats entries.

2008-02-03 Thread Bill Unruh
David Woolley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Unruh wrote: Under ... is the line dst[i]=peer-filter_delay[j] Apologies, I missed that detail. I guess dst has changed its meaning over time. (It doesn't really look right to me though, as there is a sudden discontinuity as you cross the Allan

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP vs chrony comparison (Was: oscillations in ntp clock synchronization)

2008-01-31 Thread Bill Unruh
On Wed, 30 Jan 2008, Danny Mayer wrote: Unruh wrote: David L. Mills [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David, We can argue about the Hurst parameter, which can't be truly random-walk as I have assumed, but the approximation is valid up to lag times of at least a week. However, as I

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP vs chrony comparison (Was: oscillations in ntp clock synchronization)

2008-01-28 Thread Bill Unruh
What was the problem? On Mon, 28 Jan 2008, Danny Mayer wrote: Unruh wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Danny Mayer) writes: David L. Mills wrote: Danny, It doesn't stop working; it just clamps whatever it gets to +-500 PPM as appropriate. If the intrinsic error is greater than

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP vs chrony comparison (Was: oscillations in ntp clock synchronization)

2008-01-22 Thread Bill Unruh
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008, Danny Mayer wrote: Unruh wrote: All I say is that the experiments I have carried out show that ntp is slow to converge if it starts of badly, and leaves the offset scatter larger than chrony does. It does have a smaller scatter in the rate. But you are using an

[ntp:questions] NTP vs chrony comparison (Was: oscillations in ntp clock synchronization)

2008-01-21 Thread Bill Unruh
Having run NTP stably now for three days on a machine I previously ran chrony on , I compared the control of the clock on that machine with chrony and with ntp (the comparison is obviously sequential, since both cannot run on the same machine at the same time.) The chrony run was from Jan 13.5 to

[ntp:questions] oscillations in ntp clock synchronization

2008-01-14 Thread Bill Unruh
I have been keeping track of the clocks on my various systems. One is synced using ntp from a GPS 18LVM pps source. The others are synced from that machine using chrony. Almost all of the systems have a very strange oscillation in them, with a time scale of about 1.5 hours. On the ntp system, this