Re: [ntp:questions] Question about using server stratum 15

2019-08-25 Thread Jason Rabel
Toshikazu, I'm taking a wild guess, but generally anything "stratum 16" means "unsynchronized" or some other similar issue. So if a client synchronized to a server that was already stratum 15, then the client would become stratum 16, and maybe that causes some other issues (either in ntpd or other

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP Mode 6 queries in 4.2.8p10

2019-08-13 Thread Jason Rabel
> Forgive me for my lack of knowledge in this area, > but does the above command and output still show the vulnerability? > If so, is the fix (as NTP Bug 3118 explains) to add > "restrict default noquery" to the ntp.conf file? > If this is the fix, then all queries are shutoff, correct? Philip,

Re: [ntp:questions] How often does ntpd refresh its DNS lookup?

2019-08-03 Thread Jason Rabel
> For server-entries in ntp.conf, how does ntpd (4.2.8p13) time refreshing > of hostnames? As far as I know, for regular server entries once it's done the initial lookup on startup, that's it... I believe for pool entries it will do a lookup to grab new IPs if a pool server goes silent. Maybe tha

Re: [ntp:questions] Advice on a private stratum 2 pool

2019-07-04 Thread Jason Rabel
You never mentioned what your "clients" are going to be using? Are they running NTP too and will be able to choose multiple sources, or are they basically SNTP clients requesting time from only one server? As someone else said, using 'peer' really isn't useful or necessary *unless* your connection

Re: [ntp:questions] Some servers returning the wrong time

2019-07-04 Thread Jason Rabel
>From what was posted on the pool forum: TORIX support said the problem was due to a software update. ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/questions

Re: [ntp:questions] [Embedded system] Synchronization between two nodes

2019-05-14 Thread Jason Rabel
Disclaimer: This is all in theory, you will have to test it out first-hand to see what the actual results are You could fudge Node A so it's local clock is a stratum 10 when there is no other valid source. Seeing as how that would be the only clock for Node B, it should sync to that: ntp.conf

Re: [ntp:questions] Make fail on macOS Mojave "ld: library not found for -lcrypto.35"

2019-04-08 Thread Jason Rabel
> As a follow-up to this, I could not get ntp to compile on > macOS Mojave, but I could get OpenNTP to compile and run. If you don't use crypto with NTPD I believe there is a flag to disable it. I wonder if it would still run into compile issues then? __

Re: [ntp:questions] Mixing .20 and .22 for a PPS signal

2019-02-17 Thread Jason Rabel
It's been quite a few years since I've had to dig around the refclock code, but IIRC the NMEA code simply uses the PPS code, so either method should yield the same results. Probably the only noticeable difference might be the refid showing "PPS" vs "GPS"? Jason ___

Re: [ntp:questions] Issues trying to sync to NIST public servers

2019-02-03 Thread Jason Rabel
> Yes, the main reason behind the requirement is probably the traceability > to UTC of the stratum 0 used by the server : NIST servers are traceable > to UTC, which is (formally) not the case for a server with a GNSS > as stratum 0. > > In case NIST servers are hard to reach, a metrologically defen

Re: [ntp:questions] Issues trying to sync to NIST public servers

2019-02-01 Thread Jason Rabel
> Yes, this is a common PITA. FINRA and/or SEC getting onto you? > They are still "defining" the regulation, but the current idea is rather > silly. > Many of the NIST servers are run out of the University of Colorado and > are single home with CenturyLink. Congestion and/or other network > issues

Re: [ntp:questions] Issues trying to sync to NIST public servers

2019-01-31 Thread Jason Rabel
Have you checked for possible packet loss somewhere between you & the NIST servers? That's the usual problem. Are you querying at an excessive rate? That's another possibility. ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.org/listi

Re: [ntp:questions] Question about the paper "Internet Time Synchronization: The Network Time Protocol"

2019-01-20 Thread Jason Rabel
> The last paragraph in section III.A describes Fig.2: > > - Is phase-lock loop a software component? In this instance for NTP, yes. > - I think that VCO means a component commonly found in every computer. > Is my understanding correct? In this instance for NTP, yes. You can assume they mean a

Re: [ntp:questions] Clarification on 'discard' command, and possibly 'mru'...

2019-01-04 Thread Jason Rabel
Argh, didn't realize I only replied directly to you in my previous email. This one should go to the list too. Anyhow, I dug through the source and found what I think is the relevant information. It's in ntp_monitor.c near the bottom. (note, near the top there is: int mon_age = 3000;) /* * If we

[ntp:questions] Clarification on 'discard' command, and possibly 'mru'...

2018-12-25 Thread Jason Rabel
I'm trying to tweak my ntp configuration so it will drop packets as appropriate instead of using my firewall & hashlimit... (For reference, I'm running the latest 4.2.8p12) Apparently the relevant commands (beyond setting limited & kod) are 'discard' and 'mru'. 'discard' has three settings: avera

Re: [ntp:questions] Legitimate Source Ports for NTP traffic?

2018-12-01 Thread Jason Rabel
Thanks for the link to the paper, very interesting stuff! I've only given it a quick read, when I have more time I'll definitely sit down and study it more in-depth. I noticed the data used was from May-June 2015, has there been any newer sampling done? Or any other location for some statistics li

Re: [ntp:questions] Legitimate Source Ports for NTP traffic?

2018-11-27 Thread Jason Rabel
In response to my own question I looked a little deeper into the odd traffic using tcpdump. Best I can tell they are indeed properly formatted NTP requests, the curious bit is seeing most of these requests having a precision of -6 or -7. While I know some older MS OS set their internal time update

[ntp:questions] Legitimate Source Ports for NTP traffic?

2018-11-19 Thread Jason Rabel
I was making some firewall changes and accidently flip-flopped some settings briefly. While reviewing the firewall logs I noticed that there was some NTP traffic coming from various privileged ports (other than 123)... Literally like ports 1,3,5,6,7, and many others in the double & triple digit ran

Re: [ntp:questions] Conflicting information on packet field types

2018-11-01 Thread Jason Rabel
I was mainly reading RFC 5905 since it's the latest, but it does make some references back to the older RFC 4330 (SNTP). I believe it is that document (and others) that seem to flip-flop on what is signed / unsigned. i.e. 5905 says poll interval is signed, 4330 says poll interval is unsigned. I du

[ntp:questions] Conflicting information on packet field types

2018-10-20 Thread Jason Rabel
I'm writing my own little query script to decode NTP packets and I've come across some conflicting information in the RFCs and other white papers that I'm hoping an authoritative source would know the answer to. Specifically for the 'Poll Interval' and 'Root Dispersion' fields in the NTP packet, s

Re: [ntp:questions] [help]how to configure ntp in a private network

2014-07-16 Thread Jason Rabel
John, I think this page explain orphan mode and configuration the best: http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/html/orphan.html I kind of did similar to that setup... My S1 servers don't all run standard NTPD so I couldn't do anything about that. What I did was make a S2 group that used the "tos o

Re: [ntp:questions] ntp-4.2.6p5 on Win 7 x64

2014-07-15 Thread Jason Rabel
> On Mint 17 ntp from the repo works well with offsets in the low > tens of milliseconds, sometimes < 10ms. Do you have your HPET clock enabled in your BIOS (if there is a choice for it)? Maybe as a test try disabling any powersaving features of your CPU (via the BIOS). Sometimes the dynamic CPU

Re: [ntp:questions] Embedded solutions

2014-07-08 Thread Jason Rabel
> I'd have to look this up but think board using Elan 486 used the > on chip high speed timer to timestamp the pps input at a gpio > port along with a custom ntpd on FreeBSD to obtain sub us offset. You mean something like this? *grin* http://www.rabel.org/pics/Net4501-2.jpg Yes, that is one of

Re: [ntp:questions] Thoughts on KOD

2014-07-08 Thread Jason Rabel
> There are two obvious ways to go for an embedded client. > > One way would be to use the sntp code as the base. > > The other would be to either use the current NTP codebase and use the > configure options to disable all the refclocks and anything else you > didn't want, or wait until we're done

Re: [ntp:questions] Thoughts on KOD

2014-07-07 Thread Jason Rabel
> Would it be useful to offer an "official" minimal implementation > intended for embedded systems so that these people won't feel the need > to code their own? Maybe add minimal NTP support to Busybox? Actually, Busybox does have a ntp daemon... Where the code comes from I do not know. I've tri

Re: [ntp:questions] Thoughts on KOD

2014-07-07 Thread Jason Rabel
Has that *always* been the case? Or has the code be changed over time? Remember, not everyone is running the latest development (or even stable) version of NTP... > KOD already sets a timestamp that is the requesters timestamp. See my > previous response. It's better than your idea since it is

Re: [ntp:questions] Thoughts on KOD

2014-07-07 Thread Jason Rabel
I have to agree on some points with these two below. From my experience also, using KOD usually results in more packet pounding from bad clients (from what I can only assume is poor coding of custom clients). The realization is that many clients don't run the standard NTP distribution, but rathe

Re: [ntp:questions] Embedded solutions

2014-07-06 Thread Jason Rabel
Jaap, You can skim over these past few months on the time-nuts list. There's lots of threads with discussion on ARM, Beaglebone, Rasberry Pi, etc... for GPS based NTP servers... http://www.febo.com/pipermail/time-nuts/2014-March/date.html http://www.febo.com/pipermail/time-nuts/2014-April/date.

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP Pool Server Costs me $40/mo in Bandwidth--is

2014-06-15 Thread Jason Rabel
> Yes, and remember we live in a world of NAT. While there is much to be > said for running "your" NTP servers that talk to outside NTP servers and > having all of your other NTP clients talk to your NTP servers, some > folks don't do this, and that means their clients can send a lot of > queries

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP Pool Server Costs me $40/mo in Bandwidth--is

2014-06-14 Thread Jason Rabel
Brian, A few things you did not mention in your post or your article... What bandwidth setting (Net Speed) did you specify on the NTP Pool website for your server? What Zone(s) is it listed in? Also, can you provide a link to your NTP Pool server's page? The URL would look something as follow

Re: [ntp:questions] Meinberg M200 remote monitoring

2014-05-27 Thread Jason Rabel
> Packets in and out from a box are the default variables MRTG is designed > for, and can be had from FreeBSD, Windows & Linux systems. Frequency, > offset & jitter, and dispersion you should be able to get by parsing > "ntpq -crv" output as my Web site shows. I'm talking NTP only packets, not

Re: [ntp:questions] Meinberg M200 remote monitoring

2014-05-27 Thread Jason Rabel
> I should perhaps have mentioned that I use MRTG, > but using the "ntpq" command and parsing its output That is what I do too... If the meinberg unit is running NTPD (I've seen several commercial units do that with their own custom refclock) it would probably be easier to parse the data you wan

Re: [ntp:questions] Issues installing ntpd on Win 7

2014-04-29 Thread Jason Rabel
> Ok, so on a whim I purged it completely from the system. Installed from > scratch and the same problem occurred, no starting up of the process. I > let the installation complete without letting it try to start the > service again. Then I simply performed a "reinstall" where it detected > the e

[ntp:questions] What is up with utcnist.colorado.edu ???

2014-04-27 Thread Jason Rabel
I noticed yesterday morning that my time dispersion suddenly tightened up on my server... Odd... http://www.rabel.org/ntp/graph_dispersion.png (Sorry for the jump at the end, that is when I restarted it earlier this morning.) At first I thought maybe NTP switched to a different server, so I lo

Re: [ntp:questions] "Oneshot" time sync without risk of jumping time?

2014-04-27 Thread Jason Rabel
> I want to keep the time updated on a small Embedded Linux device. > > The clock doesn't have to be very accurate. An offset of a few seconds > is OK. > > This small device only has Internet for a few minutes a day and I have > to pay for each byte that gets transmitted, so I want to keep the >

Re: [ntp:questions] Can NTP sync within 1ms

2014-04-27 Thread Jason Rabel
> First, we sync all machines to locally connected GPS receivers with > PPS output. We use ntpd and kernel PPS. This is wellknown territory. > In the ntpq -p stats this appears to bring the systems within 10us, > often within 2us, of the PPS signal. We still have to find out if this > is realit

Re: [ntp:questions] Attn Linux distributors - pse include PPS

2014-04-26 Thread Jason Rabel
> I am saying that the ntpd that ships with Ubuntu 14.04 is limited because > it was built on a system where timepps.h was not present, and thus the > ATOM and JUPITER (and a couple other) refclocks were not included in the > binary. Even though PPS support is present in the kernel. > > I built nt

Re: [ntp:questions] TrueTime XL-AK GPS lock satellite take too much

2014-04-25 Thread Jason Rabel
> I recently use TrueTime XL-AK, when I first start the > system, it only take about 10 minutes to lock satellites. > And I think it is good. But the second time I move to > another place (about 40 miles away from the first place), > it never lock any satellites again. I am not sure about the > pr

Re: [ntp:questions] New Stratum-1 at the University of Houston

2014-04-25 Thread Jason Rabel
> From my site, both uh.edu and tmc.edu are pretty close, > latency-wise. And uh.edu's being ST1 was certainly a plus. > Anyway, it's still in my list, hoping that it comes back alive. > FWIW, the ST2 server at tamu.edu is pretty close to me too. > Adding another nearby server, even ST2 would be

Re: [ntp:questions] Can NTP sync within 1ms

2014-04-25 Thread Jason Rabel
> I would like to know whether NTP can sync between a > client and a server within 1ms if the client and server > are Linux applications on a simple local network ( less > than 10 nodes). Yes, if simply go by the offset figure in NTP, you can usually get sub-millisecond figures between two mach

Re: [ntp:questions] New Stratum-1 at the University of Houston

2014-04-25 Thread Jason Rabel
> The NTP ST1 server at the University of Houston has been > offline for about a month. Any information about its demise? > Yet another victim of a DOS attack? I don't know, it seemed kind of flaky at first then it stopped responding altogether. I finally gave up and removed it from my list a wh

Re: [ntp:questions] ntp server with two default routes misbehaving

2014-04-21 Thread Jason Rabel
> I wonder why the change was made in the first place. Did it improve > things for some users? It seems wrong to introduce something that > causes problems for some use cases unless it benefits others. Maybe sift through the changelog to see if anything stands out? Or search the bug tracker? Har

Re: [ntp:questions] ntp server with two default routes misbehaving

2014-04-19 Thread Jason Rabel
> I've got a Debian Linux system which uses ntp to synchronise its > clock, and is itself used by my internal systems for time > synchronisation. This system has two Internet connections for > resilience and load balancing, configured using Linux advanced routing > and with two default routes to t

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP.log interpretation

2014-04-19 Thread Jason Rabel
> Orphan Mode is an automatic server discovery scheme. Nothing more. > > Orphan Mode does not make it possible for the members of a "time island" > to determine the correct time in the absence of reference sources. > > Symmetric Active/Passive Mode (aka Peer Associations) allows the > creation of a

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP.log interpretation

2014-04-18 Thread Jason Rabel
Greg, As others have suggested, any client running NTP should point to *at least* 3 time sources (usually ~5 is preferred)... The reason being if one server goes wacko, but the other two agree, then the client knows to X out the bad one and keep the two others. With only two you are essentially

[ntp:questions] How does NTP configure serial port parameters?

2014-04-10 Thread Jason Rabel
I've seen in the reflock driver sources where they hard-code in the serial port speed (i.e. 9600), but what about the parameter settings? i.e. the data bits, parity bit, and stop bit? Specifically I'm using the palisade driver, but have selected 'mode 1' because I'm using an Endrun Technologies

Re: [ntp:questions] server and peer lines correct?

2014-04-06 Thread Jason Rabel
Charles Swiger wrote: > Your comment means a discussion of best practices of configuring > these stratum-1s is also beyond the scope of answers to your post. > Odd, but have this as you would Charles, my S1 servers are a mixture of NTP appliances and other hardware that do not run the standar

[ntp:questions] server and peer lines correct?

2014-04-05 Thread Jason Rabel
Figured I would ask just to double-check I'm doing this right since it's my first time using the "peer" statement. I'm reconfiguring my NTP setup to try and be somewhat fault-resistant if GPS blacks out since my receiver is in the window and only picks up facing east. I have four stratum-1 serv

Re: [ntp:questions] PPS problem

2014-04-04 Thread Jason Rabel
> Why not? You really want to as the network entries > will do iburst and get selected before your refclock > does and force some clock stepping before settling down. > I usually use maxpoll 4 as well. The decreased jitter > in the local signal makes higher poll rates both valid > and useful.

Re: [ntp:questions] PPS problem

2014-04-02 Thread Jason Rabel
Arthur, What OS are you using specifically? Also, you shouldn't put "iburst" in the server line for a local refclock... I don't even know if that is valid, hopefully NTP ignores it. Jason ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lis

[ntp:questions] Graphing NTP bandwidth usage?

2014-03-26 Thread Jason Rabel
A while back I saw a couple web pages where people graphed various aspects of their NTP server(s). One of the graphs of particular importance to me was where they showed NTP specific inbound & outbound bandwidth. For the life of me I can't figure out how they did it though. Are they fudging th

Re: [ntp:questions] Hopelessly broken clock?

2008-11-16 Thread Jason Rabel
Chris, This is *probably* caused from EIST and/or C1E being enabled in your BIOS. These features dynamically adjust the speed of your CPU (and voltage) according to the CPU demand. You can try to disable them and see if things stabilize, if they do then you know what the culprit is. If you really

Re: [ntp:questions] [time] Jupiter driver (driver31)

2008-06-15 Thread Jason Rabel
Remco, I've used several Jupiter 8 receivers quite successfully (in Binary Mode) with NTP & FreeBSD. Yes, they are not really useable in NMEA mode as the second will jump around and constantly be off by 1-2sec. Are you sure your receiver has a valid almanac and enough satellites in view? Seeing

Re: [ntp:questions] Power-saving patch to NTP

2008-05-16 Thread Jason Rabel
I've built some RPMs for CentOS using the latest SRC from the FC9 branch. They include that patch and I've noticed no discernable difference in time keeping and everything appears to be functioning as it should. Jason > I came across the following page: > > http://www.lesswatts.org/projects/pow

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP Cheat Sheet

2008-05-08 Thread Jason Rabel
> Strange. I have an EndRun Cntp, bu it has an Ethernet interface. If 4 > works for you use it. That's a pretty grotty driver with all kinds of > bandaids to deal with long forgotten radios; I wonder why EndRun chose > that driver... > > Dave Yeah the code for the TrueTime devices is pretty ha

Re: [ntp:questions] Antenna for TymServe?

2008-03-21 Thread Jason Rabel
The TS2100 internally has a Trimble ACE-II or ACE-III receiver. Any standard 5V GPS antenna will work, they are a dime a dozen. If you want to get more high-end with a timing antenna, I would just watch eBay and be patient for one of the Trimble Bullet antennas (do a Google search with the part num

Re: [ntp:questions] Issues with w32tm on AD network

2008-02-25 Thread Jason Rabel
> We have tried it with a small test setup and found that w32time domain > members did identify their PDC as time source when w32time was running on > the PDC, but not when ntpd was running on the PDC. > > I have recently received a note from someone who seemed to be very familiar > with Active Di

Re: [ntp:questions] Getting precision when server side only offersseconds... Ideas?

2008-02-25 Thread Jason Rabel
Soleth, > Explaining it better, it is a kind of network switch for which I don't > have total access, > and can only talk through a protocol, that offers me a date in format > -MM-DD hh:mm:ss. Period. Does the server auto-output the info "on-time" every second, or only dynamically reply when

Re: [ntp:questions] Issues with w32tm on AD network

2008-02-22 Thread Jason Rabel
> >> Are there any GPS systems I could hook up to the Windows domain > >> controller, and configure W32tm to use this? > >> > > > >Yes. Trimble, Palisade, NMEA, Jupiter, and HOPF (DCF77) Serial and PCI > >are built for Windows. I cannot tell you much about them but the code is > >built for them.

Re: [ntp:questions] flipping between stratum 1 clocks regularily

2008-02-19 Thread Jason Rabel
You can try using the "prefer" flag (read the docs) to have it stick to one of the servers. Jason > I've recently been provided with 4 "highly accurate" ntp servers that > are using GPS as their primary synchronization source. Well, 2 of the > hosts are using GPS (stratum 1) and the other two a

Re: [ntp:questions] Geographical diversity of Stratum 1 servers

2008-02-13 Thread Jason Rabel
> The GPS computation of location, elevation, and time involves a system > of four simultaneous equations which can be solved for time, lattitude, > longitude, and elevation. Doing an extended "site survey" can refine > your location and elevation. The better location data, the better the > s

Re: [ntp:questions] Geographical diversity of Stratum 1 servers

2008-02-13 Thread Jason Rabel
Are both your current clocks using the same GPS antenna? If so, there is a common point of failure right there. If you put a 3rd clock w/3rd antenna at a different location you can do some interesting measurements between the 3. GPS is going to give you the most accurate / stable time (assuming y

Re: [ntp:questions] Starting ISC NTP -4.2.4

2008-02-13 Thread Jason Rabel
I've compiled some RPMs for RHEL/CentOS that are using the latest stable version of NTP... Or you can build your own from the SRC RPM... http://ntp.extremeoverclocking.com/rpm/ Jason > Hi All > > Iam trying to install ISC NTP-4.2.4 on RHEL 4. But Im not able to start > the services. > > I f

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpdate.c unsafe buffer write

2008-02-11 Thread Jason Rabel
I've tried to keep quiet and bite my tongue at this whole ntp vs chrony thing... But something has been nagging me in the back of my head that i juat have to know the answer to... How are you measuring your results? From what I've skimmed over you are simply using each program's own generated stat

Re: [ntp:questions] xntpd fails aix 5.3

2008-02-05 Thread Jason Rabel
It probably wouldn't hurt to upgrade NTP to a v4 build... > Hi, > > IBM has recommended a reboot of the server after running this command: > > bosboot -ad /dev/ipldevice > > I have ran the command and am now waiting for a reboot window on the > server. After all the research and comments I read

Re: [ntp:questions] Problems distibuting time from GPSD programto NTPD

2008-02-04 Thread Jason Rabel
>> I have a gpsd and ntpd in connection running on a Fedora 5 box. > >Why not connect the gps directly to ntpd? (if it supports nmea output) >If it has PPS output you get magnitudes higher accuracy. Linux doesn't directly support a PPS signal (unless you use some 3rd party code to patch and recomp

Re: [ntp:questions] Book Publishers (Was: NTP vs chrony comparison)

2008-01-26 Thread Jason Rabel
> Richard B. Gilbert wrote: >> Computer Network Time Synchronization: The Network Time Protocol by >> David L. Mills (Hardcover - Mar 24, 2006) >> >> Available from Amazon.com. You may be able to find a copy at a >> University Book store. Be prepared for "Sticker Shock". It ain't >> cheap! Pub

[ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.4p4 RPMs For RHEL / CentOS

2008-01-22 Thread Jason Rabel
Since nobody said anything I went ahead and compiled some RPMs because I was tired of the old versions some of my RHEL / CentOS servers were running. http://ntp.extremeoc.com/rpm/ I don't have a el5.i386 RPM up yet, I'll try to get that online later today. You can always build your own RPM from s

Re: [ntp:questions] thttpd and auto-redirect

2008-01-21 Thread Jason Rabel
After reading the documentation (took all of a minute or two), thttpd does support multihoming, but it doesn't look like it supports wildcards. For that you will probably have to run apache or another web server that does support wildcards. Or you could just have some text on your front page sayi

Re: [ntp:questions] Getting SNTP to accept large corrections

2008-01-17 Thread Jason Rabel
> It's an embedded system. The one I manufacture today can have today > (or this year) in it but I'll never touch it again to change the > initial time setting. One thought I had was periodically write the > time to a file and use that file to initialize the clock at startup > before using NTP.

[ntp:questions] NTP RPMs For RHEL/CentOS

2008-01-16 Thread Jason Rabel
I'm just curious if anyone has come across any current (3rd party) RPMs for RHEL/CentOS. I run a mix of versions 3, 4, and 5, some 32bit and some 64bit. I was playing around building some RPMs updating the patch files from one of the older versions, and even though that worked I noticed there were

Re: [ntp:questions] old linksys wrt54g accesspoint/router as ntpserver?

2008-01-10 Thread Jason Rabel
>> Folkert van Heusden wrote: >> >>> Has anyone found a firmware for the wrt54g with an integrated ntp >>> server? >> >> Such a thing is more likely to have an NTP client that polls once per >> second! ;-) > >OpenWrt seems to have it. > >https://dev.openwrt.org/browser/packages/net/ntpd/Makefile?re

Re: [ntp:questions] Using a PPS source without a GPS receiver?

2007-12-22 Thread Jason Rabel
> The setup: O(10) FreeBSD 6.2 machines in a rack, a PPS source, and an > NTP server somewhere on the same network. Is it possible (and if so, > how?) to configure ntpd on these machines so they get the rough time > over NTP from the network's NTP server, and use the PPS source so they > stay

Re: [ntp:questions] Issues with ACCORD Reference Clock Driver

2007-12-02 Thread Jason Rabel
> As per your suggestion I would have used the existing NMEA > reference clock driver > for Accord GPS Clock. But there are certain issues as listed below. > > 1. Accord GPS Clock spits out NMEA at 9600 baudrate > 2. It has custom NMEA format for GPS (and the driver is > intended to use this ) >

Re: [ntp:questions] Wireless Routers and NTP

2007-11-29 Thread Jason Rabel
>When I care about things like that and do not like the stock firmware, I get >a unit that will accept the openwrt.org firmware. +1 for OpenWRT! I installed it on a Dell Truemoble 2300 router I got off eBay for ~$10. The hardware is more or less identical to the Linksys WRT54G, just much cheaper t

Re: [ntp:questions] How do I know my GPS-based NTP server is actuallyworking properly?

2007-11-02 Thread Jason Rabel
> What's the proper way of telling whether the PPS signal is actually > having an effect? That is, what behavior/measurements would show me > that the PPS signal is or is not being used? What should I be monitoring > (my guess would be "offset" and "jitter" from the netq -c rv output), > and w

Re: [ntp:questions] Synchronizing to LOCAL(0): Startup time

2007-10-12 Thread Jason Rabel
"prefer" should only be used against one peer/server. This tells NTP that all things being equal, choose this one over the others. Not only do you list it in multiple peers, but also multiple times in the same line. "iburst" tells it to send multiple packets when it is unsynchronized, which helps

Re: [ntp:questions] Onboard Local Oscillator Change Improvements

2007-10-10 Thread Jason Rabel
> - is the precision of these "messages" (or timestemps) affected by the > stability of the local oscillator ? For all practical purposes, no. As Dr. Mills said, there are many other factors causing various bits latency in a PC that are independent of the oscillator. What little you might gain fro

Re: [ntp:questions] ntptime

2007-10-01 Thread Jason Rabel
Your output looks okay... like you said, ntptime returned info so I think you answered your own question. ;) Jason > According to the ntptime man page "This program is useful only with > special Kernels described in the A Kernel Model for Precision > Timekeeping page." > > Is there an

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP with a Serial PPS

2007-09-27 Thread Jason Rabel
> This is a Trimble SVeeSix (with NMEA firmware) hooked up via a FTDI USB > to RS232 adapter. I have to use shmpps because IIRC even if I patch the > Linux kernel, it doesn't support PPS on USB to RS232 adapters (I'm not > sure anyone does). But does shmpps support the PPS signal on a RS232-USB c

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP with a Serial PPS

2007-09-25 Thread Jason Rabel
I don't think you really need to use the "disable" lines in the compiling, having the extra clocks doesn't hurt anything. In addition to the SHM driver you probably need the PPS/ATOM driver too which isn't in your compile string... Jason > The starting point was Philip M. White documentation call

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP Third party client on Windows OS ?

2007-09-17 Thread Jason Rabel
> I wonder if there are NTP clients for Windows which can be more > efficient than w32time. As we can read in http://support.microsoft.com/kb/939322, > "The W32Time service cannot reliably maintain sync time to the range > of 1 to 2 seconds". Can an other client do it ? You can maintain *decent* t

Re: [ntp:questions] NTPd instability and openntpd

2007-09-15 Thread Jason Rabel
> What is "Open ntpd"? Where did you get it? Are your really talking > about the reference implementation? http://www.openntpd.org/ ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org https://lists.ntp.org/mailman/listinfo/questions

Re: [ntp:questions] NTPd instability and openntpd

2007-09-14 Thread Jason Rabel
> The host is a dual processor FreeBSD host with low load, today > counting 107 days of uptime. The connectivity is a 11Mbps fiber optic, > that proven pretty reliable in the last five years. > So I did not believe those stats first and put a polling script on > another server 150 km away from this

Re: [ntp:questions] My ntpd stopped working

2007-09-14 Thread Jason Rabel
My bad, I meant ulimit -l 8192 not -n Jason > Jason Rabel wrote: > > ulimit -n 8192 OK, I put it in the startup ntpd in /etc/rc.d no change, as soon as the rating gets over 5, and load shows up, ntpd crashes. ___ questions mai

Re: [ntp:questions] Errors in the syslog - PPS issues?

2007-09-13 Thread Jason Rabel
Well it was worth a shot. I've seen some strange things using the kernel's hardpps, usually you get better results with NTP's as it averages more data. I currently don't have a GPS hooked up to my FreeBSD box or I could let you know the output, but IIRC when you don't set the fudge flag you don't s

Re: [ntp:questions] Errors in the syslog - PPS issues?

2007-09-13 Thread Jason Rabel
Comment out the fudge line for your GPS and see how it goes. Jason > > My ntp.conf is: > driftfile /etc/ntp.drift > enable pps > server 0.ca.pool.ntp.org > server 1.ca.pool.ntp.org > server 2.ca.pool.ntp.org > server time.nrc.ca > server time.chu.nrc.ca > server 127.127.20.1 minpoll 4 mode 1 >

Re: [ntp:questions] My ntpd stopped working

2007-09-13 Thread Jason Rabel
> > Jason Rabel wrote: > > Try adding: > > ulimit -n 8192 > > To your rc startup for ntp? > I don't have a .rc, other than what's in /etc/rc.d/init.d > which really doesn't have options. > > Does this work in /etc/ntpd.conf? No, not in t

Re: [ntp:questions] My ntpd stopped working

2007-09-13 Thread Jason Rabel
Try adding: ulimit -n 8192 To your rc startup for ntp? > I also just added to the pool and am having similar problems. > If you look at the service graph, you see a sawtooth process. > http://www.pool.ntp.org/scores/70.184.242.241 > the values get better until I start getting real load, and

Re: [ntp:questions] More Granularity in the US in the NTP Pool

2007-09-11 Thread Jason Rabel
hing except ntpd deciding what constitutes the best set > of servers. I even had a hook in the code base to expose this > information just for this reason, but it got yanked out when the > preempt code went in. > >>Jason Rabel wrote: >> >> Brian, >> >>

Re: [ntp:questions] More Granularity in the US in the NTP Pool

2007-09-11 Thread Jason Rabel
> What Henk has described is just the first step in a facility that I > have been thinking about for quite some time. The idea is to allow a > much more extensive level of self-organizing emergent NTP behavior. > But the ability of get this type of incremental behavior is > crucial to getting it

Re: [ntp:questions] xntpd hanging

2007-09-09 Thread Jason Rabel
Which version of NTP are you using? Any output from the debug or syslog? > Hi - > > On one of our AIX 5.3 boxes, xntpd isn't very happy. If I run > > xntpd -l /home/cg5/a.a -dd > > it lasts about 10 seconds before hanging and not responding to any requests. > > (If I just run it norm

Re: [ntp:questions] More Granularity in the US in the NTP Pool

2007-09-09 Thread Jason Rabel
> If you really care, the best route is a hardware reference clock; e.g. a > GPS receiver or, if you get a solid signal from Fort Collins, CO, a WWV > or WWVB receiver. That makes you a stratum 1 server! A GPS receiver > with a PPS signal should be accurate to within 100ns or better. After >

Re: [ntp:questions] More Granularity in the US in the NTP Pool

2007-09-08 Thread Jason Rabel
> Even if a server is physically 1 mile from you, the route between you and > that server may go through a network junction a long way from you if you > use different ISPs. I can comment on that. I've done a tracroute on a server in the same city as me (Houston, TX) but using a different backbon

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP settings for machine with irregular, short connections to the Net

2007-09-08 Thread Jason Rabel
> The main concern is that that the laptop spends to much time adjusting, > correcting, etc... when it's only got a short time on the ISP. As mensionned > before, short time is a few (anywhere between 1 and 4) hours. > As the other machines of that LAN can't rely on the continuous presence of > the

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP settings for machine with irregular, short connections to the Net

2007-09-08 Thread Jason Rabel
>> If only the human scale is required, how about ntpdate run via cron or >> its platform-specific equivalent. On the laptop, it would try to get >> time from the ISP's NTP server(s). On the other systems it would try >> to get time from the laptop. So, when the laptop is connected to the >> ISP

Re: [ntp:questions] Unexplained steps

2007-09-04 Thread Jason Rabel
Maybe also try setting the maxpoll to a reasonable but lower value so that it doesn't wait 1024s between polls. ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org https://lists.ntp.org/mailman/listinfo/questions

Re: [ntp:questions] LAPIC timer and PIT

2007-09-04 Thread Jason Rabel
> Spoon wrote: > > > On a typical x86 motherboard, are the PIT (Programmable Interval Timer) > > and LAPIC (Local Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller) timer > > driven by the same crystal? > > > > In other words, will ntpd compute a similar frequency offset if I switch > > from PIT to L

Re: [ntp:questions] Research Project - NTP and evolution

2007-09-03 Thread Jason Rabel
> I am a university student undertaking a small undergrad project on NTP/SNTP. > I was wanting to know about any sources pertaining to the evolution of NTP, > particularly any showstopper flaws / security issues in versions up until > v3. I would read the RFC files, they will probably best expl

Re: [ntp:questions] searching for doc: "ntp as an indicator ofimpending hardware failures"

2007-08-31 Thread Jason Rabel
> I've been searching for a doc I saw previously regarding how high > jitter/dispersion can indicate impending hardware failures, but in > my last 2 attempts haven't been able to find it. I'm also interested > in docs regarding NTP and power quality. I think it would just be sheer luck if NTP sho

Re: [ntp:questions] WiFi & NTP.

2007-08-29 Thread Jason Rabel
>> What's your root dispersion number? (should be on the same output) > >On my stratum 2 it's rootdispersion=5.441 > >My stratum 1 shows rootdispersion=0.336 Those numbers seem much more reasonable. The root dispersion is the maximum error between the local clock and the root of the NTP chain. Yo

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