Re: [ntp:questions] create charts

2020-09-17 Thread Rob van der Putten
's, claiming that I contacted them. On topic, something like this perhaps? http://www.sput.nl/ntpstats/ Uses bash, grep, awk and rrdtool. Regards, Rob ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/questions

Re: [ntp:questions] Local Time NTP Server

2020-09-15 Thread Rob van der Putten
is TAI (atomic time) + leap seconds. Regards, Rob ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/questions

Re: [ntp:questions] Could some one help in pointing out the error here

2015-03-02 Thread Rob
catherine.wei1...@gmail.com catherine.wei1...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 5:27:12 PM UTC+8, Rob wrote: Harlan Stenn st...@ntp.org wrote: catherine.wei1...@gmail.com writes: When I start the ntpd process and disabled ntpd authentication using command: ntpd -a -g -n -c

Re: [ntp:questions] Could some one help in pointing out the error here

2015-03-02 Thread Rob
Harlan Stenn st...@ntp.org wrote: catherine.wei1...@gmail.com writes: When I start the ntpd process and disabled ntpd authentication using command: ntpd -a -g -n -c /etc/ntp.conf -l /tmp/ntp.log and then execute the command (eg): ntpq -c :config server 10.172.161.16 minpoll 3 maxpoll 4

Re: [ntp:questions] chrony as a server

2015-02-21 Thread Rob
William Unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: On 2015-02-19, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: Miroslav Lichvar mlich...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 12:48:46PM +, Rob wrote: I am still finding out what sensor is best to use, we do have a room temperature sensor that has .1C resolution

Re: [ntp:questions] Pool server gone wild

2015-02-21 Thread Rob
Roger invalid@invalid.invalid wrote: On 20 Feb 2015 19:29:44 GMT, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: Why not just: pool pool.ntp.org That should be enough. I did have just one line pool uk.pool.ntp.org but the rogue Did I write pool uk.pool.ntp.org? I don't think so... No, you didn't. Did I

Re: [ntp:questions] chrony as a server

2015-02-21 Thread Rob
William Unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: On 2015-02-19, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: Miroslav Lichvar mlich...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 10:05:45AM +, Rob wrote: We have systems in places that are not temperature controlled and then chrony is much better. I am looking

Re: [ntp:questions] Pool server gone wild

2015-02-21 Thread Rob
Roger invalid@invalid.invalid wrote: On 21 Feb 2015 07:54:50 GMT, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: It looks like you have created your own problem. What problem are you talking about? Your problem to get enough good servers. ___ questions mailing list

Re: [ntp:questions] Pool server gone wild

2015-02-21 Thread Rob
Roger invalid@invalid.invalid wrote: On 21 Feb 2015 10:52:40 GMT, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: Roger invalid@invalid.invalid wrote: On 21 Feb 2015 07:54:50 GMT, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: It looks like you have created your own problem. What problem are you talking about? Your problem

Re: [ntp:questions] chrony as a server

2015-02-21 Thread Rob
Brian Inglis brian.ing...@systematicsw.ab.ca wrote: On 2015-02-21 01:00, Rob wrote: William Unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: On 2015-02-19, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: Miroslav Lichvar mlich...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 10:05:45AM +, Rob wrote: We have systems in places

Re: [ntp:questions] chrony as a server

2015-02-21 Thread Rob
William Unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: What are you using? Are you on ntpd or chrony? Please do not followup to my postings when you don't care to follow the thread! ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org

Re: [ntp:questions] Pool server gone wild

2015-02-20 Thread Rob
Roger invalid@invalid.invalid wrote: http://www.pool.ntp.org/scores/90.155.73.34 How does one alert an operator that their server is sick? Checking back through my peerstats I see that last entry which was okay was 2015-02-16 15:08:56. There is no need. The pool system has sent a mail

Re: [ntp:questions] Pool server gone wild

2015-02-20 Thread Rob
Roger invalid@invalid.invalid wrote: On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 12:45:54 +, Roger invalid@invalid.invalid wrote: After about 11 minutes it has dropped one, leaving 6 servers. I'll continue to monitor and report back. Just to recap, I now have this in my ntp.conf: pool 0.uk.pool.ntp.org pool

Re: [ntp:questions] chrony as a server

2015-02-19 Thread Rob
William Unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: In the specific case of PPS I don't see any advantage. Well, no. Lichvar did some tests with PPS and found that chrony disciplined the clock much better than did ntpd (factors of over 10). I think that is a difference. I am seeing the same thing on our

Re: [ntp:questions] chrony as a server

2015-02-19 Thread Rob
Miroslav Lichvar mlich...@redhat.com wrote: My update to that after the years would be that 3x is not really the minimum difference. If the clock is stable enough, they can perform similarly. Indeed when a system is in a reasonably constant temperature and the clock happens to be good, ntpd

Re: [ntp:questions] chrony as a server

2015-02-19 Thread Rob
Miroslav Lichvar mlich...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 10:05:45AM +, Rob wrote: We have systems in places that are not temperature controlled and then chrony is much better. I am looking for the best way to find the values to use in the tempcomp configuration directive

Re: [ntp:questions] chrony as a server

2015-02-19 Thread Rob
Miroslav Lichvar mlich...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 02:42:39PM +, Rob wrote: Ok but of course we are using PPS and a 16 second polling interval. (or maybe the PPS refclock polls even faster although it displays 4 as the poll interval indicator) You may want to try

Re: [ntp:questions] chrony as a server

2015-02-19 Thread Rob
Miroslav Lichvar mlich...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 12:48:46PM +, Rob wrote: I am still finding out what sensor is best to use, we do have a room temperature sensor that has .1C resolution and is readable via snmp, and there are the usual sensors for board- and inlet air

Re: [ntp:questions] chrony as a server

2015-02-17 Thread Rob
William Unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: As I said I have six machines, one of which is at home over an cable modem line, all getting their time from chrony on a server. No trouble whatsoever, and I have never had any. This suggests that there is something else going on. Now, I do not have the

Re: [ntp:questions] chrony as a server

2015-02-17 Thread Rob
David Woolley david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid wrote: On 15/02/15 22:40, Rob wrote: it is tracking very nicely Tracking what? The PPS signal. ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/questions

Re: [ntp:questions] chrony as a server

2015-02-16 Thread Rob
Miroslav Lichvar mlich...@redhat.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 02:00:30PM +, Rob wrote: Is chronyc of 1.31 compatible with chronyd 2.0? Yes, old configuration should still work. But you can use acquisitionport 123 as a workaround if you prefer stable version. Well I tried

Re: [ntp:questions] chrony as a server

2015-02-16 Thread Rob
Miroslav Lichvar mlich...@redhat.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 03:30:52PM +, Rob wrote: Miroslav Lichvar mlich...@redhat.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 02:00:30PM +, Rob wrote: Is chronyc of 1.31 compatible with chronyd 2.0? Yes, old configuration should still work

Re: [ntp:questions] chrony as a server

2015-02-16 Thread Rob
Miroslav Lichvar mlich...@redhat.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:29:31AM +0100, Miroslav Lichvar wrote: On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 09:59:27AM +, Rob wrote: I have strace'd the daemon and I see that it does receive the datagram from the socket, but it does not send a reply. Hm

Re: [ntp:questions] chrony as a server

2015-02-16 Thread Rob
Miroslav Lichvar mlich...@redhat.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 09:59:27AM +, Rob wrote: I have strace'd the daemon and I see that it does receive the datagram from the socket, but it does not send a reply. Hm, interesting. Can you post what follows that recvmsg() call? I can not do

Re: [ntp:questions] chrony as a server

2015-02-16 Thread Rob
William Unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: On 2015-02-15, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: I am experimenting with chrony 1.31 as an alternative on some PPS synchronized servers. It appears to run OK, it is tracking very nicely: Reference ID: 80.80.83.48 (PPS0) Stratum : 1 Ref time

Re: [ntp:questions] chrony as a server

2015-02-16 Thread Rob
David Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid wrote: On 15/02/2015 22:40, Rob wrote: I am experimenting with chrony 1.31 as an alternative on some PPS synchronized servers. It appears to run OK, it is tracking very nicely: [] For me, there are two show-stoppers with Chrony

Re: [ntp:questions] chrony as a server

2015-02-16 Thread Rob
Miroslav Lichvar mlich...@redhat.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 10:40:11PM +, Rob wrote: However, it does not reply to NTP requests from other systems with ntpd. (I can confirm that in a network trace) Is there a magic command that has to be in the config to make it work as a server

Re: [ntp:questions] chrony as a server

2015-02-16 Thread Rob
I have strace'd the daemon and I see that it does receive the datagram from the socket, but it does not send a reply. ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/questions

[ntp:questions] chrony as a server

2015-02-15 Thread Rob
I am experimenting with chrony 1.31 as an alternative on some PPS synchronized servers. It appears to run OK, it is tracking very nicely: Reference ID: 80.80.83.48 (PPS0) Stratum : 1 Ref time (UTC) : Sun Feb 15 22:34:01 2015 System time : 0.00076 seconds fast of NTP time

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP offset doesn't change.

2015-02-13 Thread Rob
Terje Mathisen terje.mathi...@tmsw.no wrote: Charles Swiger wrote: On Feb 12, 2015, at 1:56 AM, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: However, what I observe is that the plots of the offset show the derivative of the environment temperature, which unfortunately cannot be controlled any better. I am

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP offset doesn't change.

2015-02-13 Thread Rob
William Unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: No, that is a hardware solution. There are software solutions-- a termistor to meaure the temperature of the crystal ( or somethign nearby) which feeds that measurement to the OS. the revised ntp then reads the temperature, and corrects the drift rate as a

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP offset doesn't change.

2015-02-13 Thread Rob
David Lord sn...@lordynet.org wrote: Rob wrote: Terje Mathisen terje.mathi...@tmsw.no wrote: Charles Swiger wrote: On Feb 12, 2015, at 1:56 AM, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: However, what I observe is that the plots of the offset show the derivative of the environment temperature, which

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP offset doesn't change.

2015-02-12 Thread Rob
catherine.wei1...@gmail.com catherine.wei1...@gmail.com wrote: Yes,I just tested it and found that the synchronization of NTP is really slow. That is because ntpd is not designed to correct arbitrary errors that you have applied externally. It is designed to lock to the correct time and stay

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP offset doesn't change.

2015-02-12 Thread Rob
Charles Swiger cswi...@mac.com wrote: On Feb 11, 2015, at 7:23 AM, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: But I see it has also been explained elsewhere in the thread: ntpd has a maximum on the momentary drift of 500ppm, no matter if it is static or dynamic or the sum of two. I think

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP offset doesn't change.

2015-02-12 Thread Rob
David Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid wrote: On 12/02/2015 17:00, William Unruh wrote: [] This means that if you are using say a PPS source, which gives microsecond long term offset, it can take many hours to get there, even if you or I looking at the offsets could see that it is

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP offset doesn't change.

2015-02-12 Thread Rob
Charles Swiger cswi...@mac.com wrote: However, what I observe is that the plots of the offset show the derivative of the environment temperature, which unfortunately cannot be controlled any better. I am considering to locate the crystal that is responsible for the timing and see if it could

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP offset doesn't change.

2015-02-12 Thread Rob
Brian Inglis brian.ing...@systematicsw.ab.ca wrote: On 2015-02-12 03:00, Rob wrote: catherine.wei1...@gmail.com catherine.wei1...@gmail.com wrote: Yes,I just tested it and found that the synchronization of NTP is really slow. That is because ntpd is not designed to correct arbitrary errors

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP offset doesn't change.

2015-02-12 Thread Rob
William Unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: On 2015-02-12, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: Brian Inglis brian.ing...@systematicsw.ab.ca wrote: On 2015-02-12 03:00, Rob wrote: catherine.wei1...@gmail.com catherine.wei1...@gmail.com wrote: Yes,I just tested it and found that the synchronization of NTP

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP offset doesn't change.

2015-02-11 Thread Rob
Jochen Bern jochen.b...@linworks.de wrote: However, I've also seen hardware occasionally flip-flopping from -900 to +1100 and back, complete with the developers of the firmware blaming a bug in ntpd for failure to discipline *that*. Ok that is different, it is not a static drift. But I see it

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP offset doesn't change.

2015-02-11 Thread Rob
Terje Mathisen terje.mathi...@tmsw.no wrote: The 500 ppm limit is not at all arbitrary! In fact, it was originally just 100 ppm, but when too many systems turned up with a system clock which was a bit too far out, Prof Mills redid the control loop to allow a 500 ppm range. It could have

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP offset doesn't change.

2015-02-10 Thread Rob
catherine.wei1...@gmail.com catherine.wei1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm using the ntpd to sync time. When I change the current date for exampe to 0210020215 (2015-02-10 02:02), the actually current time is 2015-02-10 03:02, then I run ntpq -p for several times, the offset doesn't change at

Re: [ntp:questions] Shared PPS source/Multiple PPS sources

2015-02-07 Thread Rob
William Unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: On 2015-02-07, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: walter.preunin...@gmail.com walter.preunin...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, so these questions might be off the wall. Is there any reason why I could not share the PPS output of say, my u-blox 7 GPS module on multiple

Re: [ntp:questions] Shared PPS source/Multiple PPS sources

2015-02-07 Thread Rob
walter.preunin...@gmail.com walter.preunin...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, so these questions might be off the wall. Is there any reason why I could not share the PPS output of say, my u-blox 7 GPS module on multiple computers? Would it be good or bad to peer these 2 systems with each other? We do

Re: [ntp:questions] Shared PPS source/Multiple PPS sources

2015-02-07 Thread Rob
William Unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: On 2015-02-07, David Woolley david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid wrote: On 07/02/15 08:24, Rob wrote: And a side question: Is it the GPS module that calculates when the PPS goes active? Is this signal compensated for the time it takes the signal from

Re: [ntp:questions] Only Garbage from Raw DCF

2015-02-01 Thread Rob
Andreas Mattheiss please.post@publicly.invalid wrote: Hi, Am Fri, 30 Jan 2015 21:01:43 + schrieb Rob: Note than an RS232 port usually works fine with just the 0 and +3..5v levels so you can directly connect the output to the RS232 line without MAX232. Nice try, but in my case

Re: [ntp:questions] Only Garbage from Raw DCF

2015-01-30 Thread Rob
Andreas Mattheiss please.post@publicly.invalid wrote: Hello, Am Fri, 30 Jan 2015 19:24:05 + schrieb Rob: No, it is the wrong way around. Your signal should be -3 most of the time, and pulse to +3 during the 100/200ms pulses. aaah - thanks for this. I'll see if i have a transistor

Re: [ntp:questions] Only Garbage from Raw DCF

2015-01-30 Thread Rob
Andreas Mattheiss please.post@publicly.invalid wrote: Hi, ok, let's go all technical ;-) I wanted to play around a bit, building a reference clock from a cheap DCF77 module (similar, but not identical to the infameous Conrad module). It basically churns out 100/200ms pulses. I was planning

Re: [ntp:questions] Timekeeping on Windows 2008r2 VM on Linux QEMU/KVM

2015-01-22 Thread Rob
Harlan Stenn st...@ntp.org wrote: Rob writes: Sander Smeenk ssme...@freshdot.net wrote: What is actually wrong with running ntpdate to initially sync a clock? Why is the ntpdate.exe binary provided when 'we' shouldnt use it? Keep in mind that i 'just want to get to seconds accuracy' before

Re: [ntp:questions] Timekeeping on Windows 2008r2 VM on Linux QEMU/KVM

2015-01-21 Thread Rob
Sander Smeenk ssme...@freshdot.net wrote: Quoting Terje Mathisen (terje.mathi...@tmsw.no): a) You should not run ntpdate, instead you use the -q option to ntpd to handle any initial time steps. What is actually wrong with running ntpdate to initially sync a clock? Why is the ntpdate.exe

Re: [ntp:questions] Linux NTPd using a older Trimble Thunderbolt GPS Receiver

2015-01-20 Thread Rob
George Ross g...@inf.ed.ac.uk wrote: --===2288611982837908707== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary===_Exmh_1421754685_7720P; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol=application/pgp-signature Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --==_Exmh_1421754685_7720P Content-Type: text/plain;

Re: [ntp:questions] Linux NTPd using a older Trimble Thunderbolt GPS Receiver

2015-01-20 Thread Rob
William Unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: On 2015-01-20, George Ross g...@inf.ed.ac.uk wrote: --===2288611982837908707== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary===_Exmh_1421754685_7720P; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol=application/pgp-signature Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Re: [ntp:questions] Linux NTPd using a older Trimble Thunderbolt GPS Receiver

2015-01-20 Thread Rob
George Ross g...@inf.ed.ac.uk wrote: --===6692172896629376392== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary===_Exmh_1421765608_7720P; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol=application/pgp-signature Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --==_Exmh_1421765608_7720P Content-Type: text/plain;

Re: [ntp:questions] Linux NTPd using a older Trimble Thunderbolt GPS Receiver

2015-01-19 Thread Rob
George Ross g...@inf.ed.ac.uk wrote: --===2115662771273679884== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary===_Exmh_1421661606_7734P; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol=application/pgp-signature Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --==_Exmh_1421661606_7734P Content-Type: text/plain;

Re: [ntp:questions] Linux NTPd using a older Trimble Thunderbolt GPS Receiver

2015-01-19 Thread Rob
George Ross g...@inf.ed.ac.uk wrote: --===8412338610136231777== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary===_Exmh_1421654265_8133P; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol=application/pgp-signature Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --==_Exmh_1421654265_8133P Content-Type: text/plain;

Re: [ntp:questions] Leap second to be introduced in June

2015-01-19 Thread Rob
William Unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: On 2015-01-19, fm@fr.invalid fm@fr.invalid wrote: William Unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: On 2015-01-19, Mike S mi...@flatsurface.com wrote: On 1/18/2015 6:04 PM, William Unruh wrote: UTC always has 86400 seconds per year. You clearly don't understand

Re: [ntp:questions] Linux NTPd using a older Trimble Thunderbolt GPS Receiver

2015-01-17 Thread Rob
Oceanos Admin sysad...@cellmail.com wrote: Is there anyone with the prior experience in getting these older Trimble units to work? Most of the information dates back to the early 2000's or so. Our desire is to get away from using an external Internet based public NTP site to limit

Re: [ntp:questions] Nice fanless high-perf NTP server: Fitlet!

2015-01-16 Thread Rob
Paul tik-...@bodosom.net wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 4:40 PM, Terje Mathisen terje.mathi...@tmsw.no wrote: Not in my msg, but in the subject of the entire thread. :-) I'm so used to nomail@example being wrong I had a knee-jerk reaction. My bad. You just can't stand being pointed at

Re: [ntp:questions] Nice fanless high-perf NTP server: Fitlet!

2015-01-16 Thread Rob
Paul tik-...@bodosom.net wrote: By the way, you can't send mail to nom...@example.com. I'm sure being somewhat anonymous enables statements like Harlan has decided to keep us in the dark and feed us shit.. That was VERY TRUE on that topic!! He did not tell us what was wrong and he grossly

Re: [ntp:questions] Nice fanless high-perf NTP server: Fitlet!

2015-01-15 Thread Rob
Terje Mathisen terje.mathi...@tmsw.no wrote: http://linuxgizmos.com/tiny-fanless-mini-pc-runs-linux-on-quad-core-amd-soc/ This little guy starts at $129 and includes a serial port which should make it trivial to attach a Sure GPS board. With a dual or quad 64-bit CPU, both SATA and SD

Re: [ntp:questions] Nice fanless high-perf NTP server: Fitlet!

2015-01-15 Thread Rob
Paul tik-...@bodosom.net wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:03 PM, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: Terje Mathisen terje.mathi...@tmsw.no wrote: it would seem to be a nice NTPD startum 1 server. Of course, it could still be good enough when you want to use it as a network time server

Re: [ntp:questions] Nice fanless high-perf NTP server: Fitlet!

2015-01-15 Thread Rob
Paul tik-...@bodosom.net wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: It was suggested as a high-perf NTP server That string is not in the message. It's not a quote despite your quotation marks. It's in the subject, idiot

Re: [ntp:questions] Leap second to be introduced in June

2015-01-14 Thread Rob
William Unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: That is a translation from seconds to ymdhms. The problem is not there. it is in the UTC seconds. In UTC one second disappears after the leap second, but not before or during. Thus UTC seconds numbering is simply disconinuous (jumps back) . And it is that

Re: [ntp:questions] Leap second to be introduced in June

2015-01-12 Thread Rob
Mike S mi...@flatsurface.com wrote: On 1/11/2015 7:16 PM, William Unruh wrote: If that public source is responsible it will pass on to your system the fact that there is a leapsecond, and your system will stop for a second at the last second of June. A system which properly implements leap

Re: [ntp:questions] Leap second to be introduced in June

2015-01-12 Thread Rob
brian utterback brian.utterb...@oracle.com wrote: On 1/11/2015 4:56 PM, Rob wrote: Michael Moroney moro...@world.std.spaamtrap.com wrote: If I have a system synchronized with a public NTP source, which is synchronized with an atomic clock that provides leap second info, and I am watching

Re: [ntp:questions] Leap second to be introduced in June

2015-01-12 Thread Rob
Michael Moroney moro...@world.std.spaamtrap.com wrote: Rob nom...@example.com writes: Michael Moroney moro...@world.std.spaamtrap.com wrote: If I have a system synchronized with a public NTP source, which is synchronized with an atomic clock that provides leap second info, and I am watching

Re: [ntp:questions] Leap second to be introduced in June

2015-01-12 Thread Rob
Martin Burnicki martin.burni...@meinberg.de wrote: Rob schrieb: Mike S mi...@flatsurface.com wrote: On 1/11/2015 7:16 PM, William Unruh wrote: If that public source is responsible it will pass on to your system the fact that there is a leapsecond, and your system will stop for a second

Re: [ntp:questions] Leap second to be introduced in June

2015-01-12 Thread Rob
William Unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: So, there are a bunch of proposals. stop the clock a la Mills (delivering times that always increase but very very slowly during that second). double the rate of the clock during the two seconds around the leap. Have the clock run in TAI and put the

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.8 for Windows, not branded

2015-01-11 Thread Rob
William Unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: On 2015-01-10, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: William Unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: On 2015-01-09, trackeroft...@gmail.com trackeroft...@gmail.com wrote: What do you mean It is branded? And why is that a problem? Hello William, 1. The installer

Re: [ntp:questions] Leap second to be introduced in June

2015-01-11 Thread Rob
Michael Moroney moro...@world.std.spaamtrap.com wrote: If I have a system synchronized with a public NTP source, which is synchronized with an atomic clock that provides leap second info, and I am watching carefully, what will happen when the leap second hits? Will my system suddenly find

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP 4.2.8 for Windows, not branded

2015-01-10 Thread Rob
William Unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: On 2015-01-09, trackeroft...@gmail.com trackeroft...@gmail.com wrote: What do you mean It is branded? And why is that a problem? Hello William, 1. The installer is branded: http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/setup.html I still have no idea what you are

Re: [ntp:questions] What to do for clients less than 4.2.8?

2014-12-23 Thread Rob
Harlan Stenn st...@ntp.org wrote: Martin Burnicki writes: Rob wrote: Martin Burnicki martin.burni...@meinberg.de wrote: And of course, the information flow was really bad here, so that it is very hard to figure out which systems are affected. Indeed. Only after 3 days

Re: [ntp:questions] Restrict statements and the pool directive

2014-12-22 Thread Rob
David Woolley david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid wrote: On 21/12/14 20:10, Rob wrote: What I got from the documentation is that without nopeer a server could setup a peer association. I don't like that. No. Without nopeer, a *client* can't set up a peer session. If you are using a system

Re: [ntp:questions] What to do for clients less than 4.2.8?

2014-12-22 Thread Rob
Martin Burnicki martin.burni...@meinberg.de wrote: Rob schrieb: David Woolley david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid wrote: On 21/12/14 10:48, Rob wrote: People say disable crypto but there is no clear direction in the docs on how to do that. There is no crypto off or disable crypto config

Re: [ntp:questions] What to do for clients less than 4.2.8?

2014-12-22 Thread Rob
Martin Burnicki martin.burni...@meinberg.de wrote: I don't want DHCP to modify my NTP settings, or to restart ntpd. (of course the neat thing about the above solution is that it is not required to restart ntpd. in Debian, for example, ntpd is restarted when a DHCP lease with changed ntp

Re: [ntp:questions] What to do for clients less than 4.2.8?

2014-12-21 Thread Rob
David Woolley david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid wrote: On 20/12/14 22:01, Rob wrote: David Woolley david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid wrote: On 20/12/14 19:58, William Unruh wrote: Is it an ntp packet (ie a time exchange packet)? is it a control packet (eg ntpq type packet?) or what? Ie, unless you

Re: [ntp:questions] Restrict statements and the pool directive

2014-12-21 Thread Rob
David Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid wrote: I just added some experimental restrict statements to one on my servers: restrict default notrap nomodify nopeer noquery restrict default notrap nomodify nopeer noquery restrict 127.0.0.1 restrict ::1 restrict

Re: [ntp:questions] What to do for clients less than 4.2.8?

2014-12-21 Thread Rob
David Woolley david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid wrote: On 21/12/14 10:48, Rob wrote: People say disable crypto but there is no clear direction in the docs on how to do that. There is no crypto off or disable crypto config directive at first glance. So how is this done? I would assume

Re: [ntp:questions] Restrict statements and the pool directive

2014-12-21 Thread Rob
Terje Mathisen terje.mathi...@tmsw.no wrote: Rob wrote: David Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid wrote: I just added some experimental restrict statements to one on my servers: restrict default notrap nomodify nopeer noquery restrict default notrap nomodify nopeer noquery

Re: [ntp:questions] Restrict statements and the pool directive

2014-12-21 Thread Rob
David Woolley david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid wrote: On 21/12/14 11:24, Rob wrote: Anyway, I consider it a bug. I don't want to lift restrictions to arbitrary systems selected from a pool. So, out went the pool command. Why do you want to specify pool servers if you want to restrict

Re: [ntp:questions] What to do for clients less than 4.2.8?

2014-12-21 Thread Rob
David Woolley david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid wrote: Paranoia? Security alerts are generally not that explicit (and this one is actually unusually explicit) because they provide information to the hackers. That is usually obtained anyway be reverse-engineering the fix. In this case that is

Re: [ntp:questions] Restrict statements and the pool directive

2014-12-21 Thread Rob
David Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid wrote: On 21/12/2014 11:17, Terje Mathisen wrote: [] 'restrict source' is the proper way to do it, as long as you have a version which supports that command. Terje Thanks, Rob Terje, that did the job. Almost! The except was that if you

Re: [ntp:questions] What to do for clients less than 4.2.8?

2014-12-21 Thread Rob
Jochen Bern jochen.b...@linworks.de wrote: As far as I'm concerned, 0.66 * -9295 is enough for me to grab the backports from the repos for our outward-serving ntpds right now ... Yes, for most systems I did the same, but I have the development version of ntpd running on a couple of systems, and

Re: [ntp:questions] Restrict statements and the pool directive

2014-12-21 Thread Rob
Paul tik-...@bodosom.net wrote: On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 7:04 AM, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: That means I don't accept that anyone outside does something that may modify my server (including setting up a peer relationship). If you actually think the software is so badly designed

Re: [ntp:questions] What to do for clients less than 4.2.8?

2014-12-20 Thread Rob
A C agcarver+...@acarver.net wrote: I saw the advisory about the potential issues in ntpd before 4.2.8 but I don't quite understand whether it affects a pure client (not serving time to the outside) or not. If the issue does affect client-only operation, what can be done for systems that

Re: [ntp:questions] What to do for clients less than 4.2.8?

2014-12-20 Thread Rob
David Woolley david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid wrote: On 20/12/14 19:58, William Unruh wrote: Is it an ntp packet (ie a time exchange packet)? is it a control packet (eg ntpq type packet?) or what? Ie, unless you use crypto, these two look like they might be dangerous. Both routines only

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP PPS, part 2 ;)

2014-12-18 Thread Rob
Harlan Stenn st...@ntp.org wrote: Rob writes: Harlan Stenn st...@ntp.org wrote: Rob writes: Harlan Stenn st...@ntp.org wrote: Paul writes: On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 10:10 AM, Martin Burnicki martin.burni...@meinberg.de wrote: OK, but what is the problem in using these IOCTLs

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP PPS, part 2 ;)

2014-12-18 Thread Rob
Martin Burnicki martin.burni...@meinberg.de wrote: Without having looked at the code base, I'm sure there are already predefined macros available for the current build target/architecture. So it should not be a problem to include something like #if defined( SOLARIS ) #include

Re: [ntp:questions] Number of Stratum 1 Stratum 2 Peers

2014-12-17 Thread Rob
Martin Burnicki martin.burni...@meinberg.de wrote: The main problem is that the underlying system time (often POSIX, which just counts seconds since an epoch) has the *same* time stamp art the beginning and end of the leap second. In order to do the conversion correctly you need to know if

Re: [ntp:questions] Number of Stratum 1 Stratum 2 Peers

2014-12-17 Thread Rob
Martin Burnicki martin.burni...@meinberg.de wrote: Imagine you set up an event for April 2015 today, but you just don't know if DST will be in effect at that time, or not, just because the politicians haven't made the decision today. How will you handle this? It may not be helpful if you

Re: [ntp:questions] Number of Stratum 1 Stratum 2 Peers

2014-12-17 Thread Rob
Martin Burnicki martin.burni...@meinberg.de wrote: Unfortunately, the same mechanism isn't used for leap seconds. There would be no problem at all when the system time ticked in TAI and the addition of the leap seconds is done via some rule table similar to the local time rules. ntpd would

Re: [ntp:questions] Number of Stratum 1 Stratum 2 Peers

2014-12-17 Thread Rob
Martin Burnicki martin.burni...@meinberg.de wrote: IMO the GPS system designers have made quite a number of wise decisions, e.g. letting the GPS time simply increase monotonically, which is, from a technical/usage point of view, similar to TAI. That decision was wise. The decision to

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP PPS, part 2 ;)

2014-12-17 Thread Rob
Harlan Stenn st...@ntp.org wrote: Paul writes: On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 10:10 AM, Martin Burnicki martin.burni...@meinberg.de wrote: OK, but what is the problem in using these IOCTLs directly from within ntpd, via wrapper functions or directly? Several refclock drivers do so. You'll

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP PPS, part 2 ;)

2014-12-17 Thread Rob
Harlan Stenn st...@ntp.org wrote: Rob writes: Harlan Stenn st...@ntp.org wrote: Paul writes: On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 10:10 AM, Martin Burnicki martin.burni...@meinberg.de wrote: OK, but what is the problem in using these IOCTLs directly from within ntpd, via wrapper functions

Re: [ntp:questions] Number of Stratum 1 Stratum 2 Peers

2014-12-17 Thread Rob
Martin Burnicki martin.burni...@meinberg.de wrote: Rob wrote: Martin Burnicki martin.burni...@meinberg.de wrote: IMO the GPS system designers have made quite a number of wise decisions, e.g. letting the GPS time simply increase monotonically, which is, from a technical/usage point of view

Re: [ntp:questions] pool.ntp.org and authentication

2014-12-16 Thread Rob
Miroslav Lichvar mlich...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 05:43:59AM +, Harlan Stenn wrote: d_anderson writes: Thanks! I quickly skimmed through the document, and I think I am asking the wrong questions.. I've been trying to think of good reasons to authenticate pool servers

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP PPS, part 2 ;)

2014-12-15 Thread Rob
Harlan Stenn st...@ntp.org wrote: Rob writes: Paul tik-...@bodosom.net wrote: On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: You know what? On the ntp-dev package for Debian THE BUILD DEPENDENCIES ARE INCORRECT AS WELL!! This is an example of what NTF doesn't want to deal

Re: [ntp:questions] Trying to compile ntp-dev-4.2.7p485-RC

2014-12-15 Thread Rob
William Unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: Mageia 3 capability.h is also in /usr/include/linux and timepps.h does not exist. (not does a ppstools package) The package is named pps-tools not ppstools. ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org

Re: [ntp:questions] Trying to compile ntp-dev-4.2.7p485-RC

2014-12-15 Thread Rob
William Unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: On 2014-12-15, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: William Unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: Mageia 3 capability.h is also in /usr/include/linux and timepps.h does not exist. (not does a ppstools package) The package is named pps-tools not ppstools. It also does

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP PPS, part 2 ;)

2014-12-14 Thread Rob
Harlan Stenn st...@ntp.org wrote: Rob writes: Harlan Stenn st...@ntp.org wrote: Paul writes: --001a11c12566ef4fbd050a04ed7c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Dec 12, 2014 12:39 AM, Harlan Stenn st...@ntp.org wrote: It's an OS-specific file that should be provided

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP PPS, part 2 ;)

2014-12-14 Thread Rob
Paul tik-...@bodosom.net wrote: On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: You know what? On the ntp-dev package for Debian THE BUILD DEPENDENCIES ARE INCORRECT AS WELL!! This is an example of what NTF doesn't want to deal with. My instance of Wheezy doesn't have ntp

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