Re: [ntp:questions] Pool server gone wild

2015-02-23 Thread Roger
On Sun, 22 Feb 2015 10:32:09 +0100, Terje Mathisen terje.mathi...@tmsw.no wrote: The design is to always compare all servers against the rest (i.e. median value), dropping the outlier, then repeat until there is a quorum remaining. Pruning should only happen if there are a too many servers,

Re: [ntp:questions] Pool server gone wild

2015-02-22 Thread Terje Mathisen
Roger wrote: On Sat, 21 Feb 2015 18:44:54 + (UTC), William Unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: Why should it not continue to poll it? It should be pruned as a bad ticker by the ntpd algorihm, and thus not affect the clock discipline. But that offset might be just a temporary abberation and that

Re: [ntp:questions] Pool server gone wild

2015-02-21 Thread Roger
On Sat, 21 Feb 2015 18:44:54 + (UTC), William Unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: Why should it not continue to poll it? It should be pruned as a bad ticker by the ntpd algorihm, and thus not affect the clock discipline. But that offset might be just a temporary abberation and that source come back

Re: [ntp:questions] Pool server gone wild

2015-02-21 Thread Roger
On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 19:19:43 +, Roger invalid@invalid.invalid wrote: Terje made the suggestion about too few servers. DNS returns 4 IP addresses at a time. By having four lines ntpd could have 12 different IP addresses returned if it used all four lines. Roger, repeat after me: 4 times 4

Re: [ntp:questions] Pool server gone wild

2015-02-21 Thread Roger
On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 23:56:46 GMT, Brian Inglis brian.ing...@systematicsw.ab.ca wrote: Add iburst preempt to the ends of your pool server lines to improve startup and drop poorer sources. I'm only making one change at a time. That will come later. Using one pool line ntpd slowly increases the

Re: [ntp:questions] Pool server gone wild

2015-02-21 Thread Roger
On 21 Feb 2015 07:54:50 GMT, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: It looks like you have created your own problem. What problem are you talking about? -- Roger ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/questions

Re: [ntp:questions] Pool server gone wild

2015-02-21 Thread Roger
On 21 Feb 2015 10:52:40 GMT, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: Roger invalid@invalid.invalid wrote: On 21 Feb 2015 07:54:50 GMT, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: It looks like you have created your own problem. What problem are you talking about? Your problem to get enough good servers. When did I

Re: [ntp:questions] Pool server gone wild

2015-02-21 Thread Terje Mathisen
Roger wrote: On 21 Feb 2015 10:52:40 GMT, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: Roger invalid@invalid.invalid wrote: On 21 Feb 2015 07:54:50 GMT, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: It looks like you have created your own problem. What problem are you talking about? Your problem to get enough good

Re: [ntp:questions] Pool server gone wild

2015-02-21 Thread Harlan Stenn
Roger writes: Using one pool line ntpd slowly increases the number of servers until it is happy but hasn't dropped any, not even an obviously rogue one. As DNS only returns 4 IP addresses that is the maximum it can start with and why it has to build up its numbers. Yes, that is because

Re: [ntp:questions] Pool server gone wild

2015-02-21 Thread Mike Cook
Le 21 févr. 2015 à 10:00, Roger invalid@invalid.invalid a écrit : On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 19:19:43 +, Roger invalid@invalid.invalid wrote: Terje made the suggestion about too few servers. DNS returns 4 IP addresses at a time. By having four lines ntpd could have 12 different IP

Re: [ntp:questions] Pool server gone wild

2015-02-21 Thread Rob
Roger invalid@invalid.invalid wrote: On 20 Feb 2015 19:29:44 GMT, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: Why not just: pool pool.ntp.org That should be enough. I did have just one line pool uk.pool.ntp.org but the rogue Did I write pool uk.pool.ntp.org? I don't think so... No, you didn't. Did I

Re: [ntp:questions] Pool server gone wild

2015-02-21 Thread Rob
Roger invalid@invalid.invalid wrote: On 21 Feb 2015 07:54:50 GMT, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: It looks like you have created your own problem. What problem are you talking about? Your problem to get enough good servers. ___ questions mailing list

Re: [ntp:questions] Pool server gone wild

2015-02-21 Thread Rob
Roger invalid@invalid.invalid wrote: On 21 Feb 2015 10:52:40 GMT, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: Roger invalid@invalid.invalid wrote: On 21 Feb 2015 07:54:50 GMT, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: It looks like you have created your own problem. What problem are you talking about? Your problem

Re: [ntp:questions] Pool server gone wild

2015-02-20 Thread Roger
On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 10:15:31 +0100, Terje Mathisen terje.mathi...@tmsw.no wrote: Rob wrote: Roger invalid@invalid.invalid wrote: http://www.pool.ntp.org/scores/90.155.73.34 How does one alert an operator that their server is sick? Checking back through my peerstats I see that last entry

Re: [ntp:questions] Pool server gone wild

2015-02-20 Thread Terje Mathisen
Roger wrote: On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 10:15:31 +0100, Terje Mathisen terje.mathi...@tmsw.no wrote: Rob wrote: Roger invalid@invalid.invalid wrote: http://www.pool.ntp.org/scores/90.155.73.34 How does one alert an operator that their server is sick? Checking back through my peerstats I see

Re: [ntp:questions] Pool server gone wild

2015-02-20 Thread Terje Mathisen
Rob wrote: Roger invalid@invalid.invalid wrote: http://www.pool.ntp.org/scores/90.155.73.34 How does one alert an operator that their server is sick? Checking back through my peerstats I see that last entry which was okay was 2015-02-16 15:08:56. There is no need. The pool system has

Re: [ntp:questions] Pool server gone wild

2015-02-20 Thread David Woolley
On 20/02/15 08:45, Roger wrote: http://www.pool.ntp.org/scores/90.155.73.34 How does one alert an operator that their server is sick? Checking back through my peerstats I see that last entry which was okay was 2015-02-16 15:08:56. You could run whois on the address and contact the

[ntp:questions] Pool server gone wild

2015-02-20 Thread Roger
http://www.pool.ntp.org/scores/90.155.73.34 How does one alert an operator that their server is sick? Checking back through my peerstats I see that last entry which was okay was 2015-02-16 15:08:56. -- Roger ___ questions mailing list

Re: [ntp:questions] Pool server gone wild

2015-02-20 Thread Rob
Roger invalid@invalid.invalid wrote: http://www.pool.ntp.org/scores/90.155.73.34 How does one alert an operator that their server is sick? Checking back through my peerstats I see that last entry which was okay was 2015-02-16 15:08:56. There is no need. The pool system has sent a mail

Re: [ntp:questions] Pool server gone wild

2015-02-20 Thread Mike Cook
snipped The server was still in the peerstats at 18:25 the following day when I did a reboot. So, after approximately 27 hours, ntpd hadn't dropped it. Obviously, my system isn't performing as you say it should. Can you, or anyone else, provide a clue as to how I might determine if my

Re: [ntp:questions] Pool server gone wild

2015-02-20 Thread Roger
On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 12:38:50 +0100, Terje Mathisen terje.mathi...@tmsw.no wrote: Roger wrote: On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 10:15:31 +0100, Terje Mathisen terje.mathi...@tmsw.no wrote: Rob wrote: Roger invalid@invalid.invalid wrote: http://www.pool.ntp.org/scores/90.155.73.34 How does one

Re: [ntp:questions] Pool server gone wild

2015-02-20 Thread Terje Mathisen
Mike Cook wrote: snipped The server was still in the peerstats at 18:25 the following day when I did a reboot. So, after approximately 27 hours, ntpd hadn't dropped it. Obviously, my system isn't performing as you say it should. Can you, or anyone else, provide a clue as to how I might

Re: [ntp:questions] Pool server gone wild

2015-02-20 Thread Roger
On 20 Feb 2015 19:29:44 GMT, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: Why not just: pool pool.ntp.org That should be enough. I did have just one line pool uk.pool.ntp.org but the rogue Did I write pool uk.pool.ntp.org? I don't think so... No, you didn't. Did I say that you did? It is what I had in my

Re: [ntp:questions] Pool server gone wild

2015-02-20 Thread Roger
On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 20:20:01 +, Phil W Lee p...@lee-family.me.uk wrote: You may well have mine among them. I'd appreciate some feedback on how it appears to be performing from elsewhere. If 88.96.199.9 looks familiar, drop me an email. No, yours isn't in there at the moment. The Los Angeles

Re: [ntp:questions] Pool server gone wild

2015-02-20 Thread Brian Inglis
On 2015-02-20 12:19, Roger wrote: On 20 Feb 2015 17:49:15 GMT, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: Roger invalid@invalid.invalid wrote: On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 12:45:54 +, Roger invalid@invalid.invalid wrote: After about 11 minutes it has dropped one, leaving 6 servers. I'll continue to monitor

Re: [ntp:questions] Pool server gone wild

2015-02-20 Thread Paul
On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Harlan Stenn st...@ntp.org wrote: This is interesting. It may be that only 4 responses are returned at a time, but there has been lots of evidence and experience that depending on your resolver (most resolvers, from what I've seen), you won't get the same

Re: [ntp:questions] Pool server gone wild

2015-02-20 Thread Rob
Roger invalid@invalid.invalid wrote: On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 12:45:54 +, Roger invalid@invalid.invalid wrote: After about 11 minutes it has dropped one, leaving 6 servers. I'll continue to monitor and report back. Just to recap, I now have this in my ntp.conf: pool 0.uk.pool.ntp.org pool

Re: [ntp:questions] Pool server gone wild

2015-02-20 Thread Jan Ceuleers
On 20/02/15 18:46, Roger wrote: On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 12:45:54 +, Roger invalid@invalid.invalid wrote: After about 11 minutes it has dropped one, leaving 6 servers. I'll continue to monitor and report back. Just to recap, I now have this in my ntp.conf: pool 0.uk.pool.ntp.org pool

Re: [ntp:questions] Pool server gone wild

2015-02-20 Thread Roger
On 20 Feb 2015 17:49:15 GMT, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: Roger invalid@invalid.invalid wrote: On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 12:45:54 +, Roger invalid@invalid.invalid wrote: After about 11 minutes it has dropped one, leaving 6 servers. I'll continue to monitor and report back. Just to recap, I

Re: [ntp:questions] Pool server gone wild

2015-02-20 Thread Charles Swiger
On Feb 20, 2015, at 10:55 AM, Jan Ceuleers jan.ceule...@computer.org wrote: Using dig on a sample of the pool it seems that DNS queries to the pool only ever return 4 entries. Per request, yes-- with something like a 150 or 300 second TTL. Hopefully, you get a different set of hosts returned