Re: [ntp:questions] Will AutoKey setup work on a NAT host behind a firewall?

2010-11-15 Thread E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists
Dave Hart wrote: > Danny Mayer wrote: >> Dave Hart wrote: >>> Harlan Stenn wrote: A single "pool FOO.pool.ntp.org iburst" line should be enough. >>> ... assuming you're using 4.2.7. Â With 4.2.6 or earlier, >>> "pool" spins up only one association, and uses DNS only >>> at startup. Se

Re: [ntp:questions] Will AutoKey setup work on a NAT host behind a firewall?

2010-11-13 Thread Dave Hart
On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 04:27 UTC, Danny Mayer wrote: > On 11/13/2010 9:47 PM, Dave Hart wrote: >> On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 00:32 UTC, Harlan Stenn wrote: >>> A single "pool FOO.pool.ntp.org iburst" line should be enough. >> >> ... assuming you're using 4.2.7.  With 4.2.6 or earlier, "pool" spins

Re: [ntp:questions] Will AutoKey setup work on a NAT host behind a firewall?

2010-11-13 Thread Danny Mayer
On 11/13/2010 9:47 PM, Dave Hart wrote: > On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 00:32 UTC, Harlan Stenn wrote: >> Somebody wrote: >> >>> pool in.pool.ntp.org iburst  # will likely get 2 national servers >>> # pool 0.in.pool.ntp.org iburst >>> # pool 1.in.pool.ntp.org iburst >>> # pool 2.in.pool.ntp.org iburst

Re: [ntp:questions] Will AutoKey setup work on a NAT host behind a firewall?

2010-11-13 Thread Harry
Harlan, Dave, Steve, Dave (Mills), and "E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists"... That God is in details is proving once again to be true in this "simple and trivial looking" service that runs on such a simple "123- and-snap!" port. Can't thank you guys enough for all your e

Re: [ntp:questions] Will AutoKey setup work on a NAT host behind a firewall?

2010-11-13 Thread Dave Hart
On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 00:32 UTC, Harlan Stenn wrote: > Somebody wrote: > >> pool in.pool.ntp.org iburst  # will likely get 2 national servers >> # pool 0.in.pool.ntp.org iburst >> # pool 1.in.pool.ntp.org iburst >> # pool 2.in.pool.ntp.org iburst >> # pool 3.in.pool.ntp.org iburst > > One should

Re: [ntp:questions] Will AutoKey setup work on a NAT host behind a firewall?

2010-11-13 Thread Harlan Stenn
Somebody wrote: > pool in.pool.ntp.org iburst # will likely get 2 national servers > # pool 0.in.pool.ntp.org iburst > # pool 1.in.pool.ntp.org iburst > # pool 2.in.pool.ntp.org iburst > # pool 3.in.pool.ntp.org iburst One should not need to use the {0,1,2,3}. names when using the 'pool' directi

Re: [ntp:questions] Will AutoKey setup work on a NAT host behind a firewall?

2010-11-13 Thread E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists
Harry wrote: > My ntp.conf looks like this right now. >server 0.asia.pool.ntp.org >server 1.asia.pool.ntp.org >server 2.asia.pool.ntp.org > I assume, then, that adding a couple more entries should address the > "4 or more" tip of yours and provide me a stable and accurate time... tos

Re: [ntp:questions] Will AutoKey setup work on a NAT host behind a firewall?

2010-11-13 Thread Steve Kostecke
On 2010-11-13, Harry wrote: > On Nov 13, 3:39 pm, David Woolley > wrote: > >> Harry wrote: >> >> >   server 2.asia.pool.ntp.org I assume, then, that adding a couple >> > more entries should address the "4 or more" tip of yours and >> > provide me a stable and accurate time... enough to not neces

Re: [ntp:questions] Will AutoKey setup work on a NAT host behind a firewall?

2010-11-13 Thread David Woolley
Harry wrote: server 2.asia.pool.ntp.org I assume, then, that adding a couple more entries should address the "4 or more" tip of yours and provide me a stable and accurate time... enough to not necessitate the need for an MD5 authentication. Chuck If you need a high level of trust, you should

Re: [ntp:questions] Will AutoKey setup work on a NAT host behind a firewall?

2010-11-13 Thread Harry
On Nov 13, 3:39 pm, David Woolley wrote: > Harry wrote: > >   server 2.asia.pool.ntp.org > > I assume, then, that adding a couple more entries should address the > > "4 or more" tip of yours and provide me a stable and accurate time... > > enough to not necessitate the need for an MD5 authenticati

Re: [ntp:questions] Will AutoKey setup work on a NAT host behind a firewall?

2010-11-13 Thread Harry
On Nov 13, 12:18 am, Steve Kostecke wrote: > On 2010-11-12, Harry wrote: > > > On Nov 10, 9:36 pm, Steve Kostecke wrote: > > >> Which associations are you attempting to "secure"? LAN client to LAN > >> server? LAN server to remote time server? > > > "LAN server to remote time server." So, this L

Re: [ntp:questions] Will AutoKey setup work on a NAT host behind a firewall?

2010-11-12 Thread Steve Kostecke
On 2010-11-12, Harry wrote: > On Nov 10, 9:36 pm, Steve Kostecke wrote: > >> Which associations are you attempting to "secure"? LAN client to LAN >> server? LAN server to remote time server? > > "LAN server to remote time server." So, this LAN host will be a client > of the remote time server bu

Re: [ntp:questions] Will AutoKey setup work on a NAT host behind a firewall?

2010-11-12 Thread Harry
On Nov 10, 9:36 pm, Steve Kostecke wrote: > On 2010-11-10, Harry wrote: > > > 1. What, then, would be the next best way (MD5-based symmetric key > > mode?) to syncing up a behind-NAT NTP client from an external NTP > > server in a tamper-proof manner? I'm not competent/powerful enough to > > advi

Re: [ntp:questions] Will AutoKey setup work on a NAT host behind a firewall?

2010-11-10 Thread Steve Kostecke
On 2010-11-10, Harry wrote: > 1. What, then, would be the next best way (MD5-based symmetric key > mode?) to syncing up a behind-NAT NTP client from an external NTP > server in a tamper-proof manner? I'm not competent/powerful enough to > advise the powers what be in my organization to have an Au

Re: [ntp:questions] Will AutoKey setup work on a NAT host behind a firewall?

2010-11-10 Thread David L. Mills
Harry, Symmetric key cryptography works fine behind a NAT box. See the Authentication Support page in the official NTP documentation on ntp.org. As I said, the intended Autokey model is for the server and client to live on the Internet side of the NAT box and have it serve time to the interna

Re: [ntp:questions] Will AutoKey setup work on a NAT host behind a firewall?

2010-11-10 Thread Harry
On Nov 10, 6:05 pm, Danny Mayer wrote: > On 11/10/2010 6:11 AM, Harry wrote: > > > > > On Nov 10, 2:59 am, "David L. Mills" wrote: > >> Harry, > > >> Autokey is not designed to work behind NAT boxes. The Autokey server and > >> client must have the same (reversed) IP addresses. The intended model

Re: [ntp:questions] Will AutoKey setup work on a NAT host behind a firewall?

2010-11-10 Thread Danny Mayer
On 11/10/2010 6:11 AM, Harry wrote: > On Nov 10, 2:59 am, "David L. Mills" wrote: >> Harry, >> >> Autokey is not designed to work behind NAT boxes. The Autokey server and >> client must have the same (reversed) IP addresses. The intended model is >> using two interfaces, one for the Internet side

Re: [ntp:questions] Will AutoKey setup work on a NAT host behind a firewall?

2010-11-10 Thread Harry
On Nov 10, 2:59 am, "David L. Mills" wrote: > Harry, > > Autokey is not designed to work behind NAT boxes. The Autokey server and > client must have the same (reversed) IP addresses. The intended model is > using two interfaces, one for the Internet side running Autokey, the > other for the inside

Re: [ntp:questions] Will AutoKey setup work on a NAT host behind a firewall?

2010-11-09 Thread David L. Mills
Harry, Autokey is not designed to work behind NAT boxes. The Autokey server and client must have the same (reversed) IP addresses. The intended model is using two interfaces, one for the Internet side running Autokey, the other for the inside net on the other side of the NAT box. Dave Harry

[ntp:questions] Will AutoKey setup work on a NAT host behind a firewall?

2010-11-08 Thread Harry
Hello, I want to employ the AutoKey method of securing NTP. Basically, I want one host that would act as an NTP client of an external NTP server, talking AutoKey. This NTP client is to become the NTP server for other hosts on the intranet. All these hosts are behind a corporate firewall and are v