Re: [ntp:questions] w32time

2010-06-22 Thread Mr Dave Baxter
In article , g8...@uko2.co.uk says... > > Hi All. > > As people on here seem to know about all this, a question if I may. > > This came up while in discussion with another party, in regards to > potential "steps" in time caused by allowing w32time to do the job, > instead of a custom app, or

Re: [ntp:questions] w32time

2010-06-21 Thread David J Taylor
"Steve Kostecke" wrote in message news:slrni1ukvt.vh7.koste...@stasis.kostecke.net... [] You could file an enhancement request in our BTS (at http://bugs.ntp.org) to let our developers know that you'd like to have this feature added. But, unless people step up to the plate and contribute, you w

Re: [ntp:questions] w32time

2010-06-21 Thread Steve Kostecke
On 2010-06-21, David J Taylor wrote: > "Steve Kostecke" wrote in message > >> There is an ./ntpsnmpd directory in ntp-dev and ntp-stable. >> >> The earliest mention of snmp I can find in the ntp-dev ChangeLog is >> (4.2.5p130) 2008/09/13 > > Thanks, Steve. Yes, I know there is work ongoing, but

Re: [ntp:questions] w32time

2010-06-20 Thread David J Taylor
"Steve Kostecke" wrote in message news:slrni1tbbt.fk7.koste...@stasis.kostecke.net... On 2010-06-18, David J Taylor wrote: I would welcome SNMP in NTP and have said so on a number of occasions. There is an ./ntpsnmpd directory in ntp-dev and ntp-stable. The earliest mention of snmp I can f

Re: [ntp:questions] w32time

2010-06-20 Thread Steve Kostecke
On 2010-06-18, David J Taylor wrote: > I would welcome SNMP in NTP and have said so on a number of occasions. There is an ./ntpsnmpd directory in ntp-dev and ntp-stable. The earliest mention of snmp I can find in the ntp-dev ChangeLog is (4.2.5p130) 2008/09/13 -- Steve Kostecke NTP Public Se

Re: [ntp:questions] w32time

2010-06-20 Thread unruh
On 2010-06-18, Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > David J Taylor wrote: >> "Ryan Malayter" wrote in message >> news:aanlktimovwejjo8twxa2xwgep4dhebgalgqv1vnhi...@mail.gmail.com... >> [] >>> The fact that niether the reference implementation nor w32time have >>> direct support for SNMP, a *far* more wid

Re: [ntp:questions] w32time

2010-06-19 Thread Rob
David J Taylor wrote: > > "Rob" wrote in message > news:slrni1p6rl.m7v.nom...@xs8.xs4all.nl... >> David J Taylor wrote: >>> "David Woolley" wrote in message >>> news:hvi540$s8...@news.eternal-september.org... Rob wrote: > Windows NT had a time service, but at that time it was still ca

Re: [ntp:questions] w32time

2010-06-19 Thread David J Taylor
"Rob" wrote in message news:slrni1p6rl.m7v.nom...@xs8.xs4all.nl... David J Taylor wrote: "David Woolley" wrote in message news:hvi540$s8...@news.eternal-september.org... Rob wrote: Windows NT had a time service, but at that time it was still called TIMESERV. It had its config in TIMESERV

Re: [ntp:questions] w32time

2010-06-19 Thread Rob
David J Taylor wrote: > "David Woolley" wrote in message > news:hvi540$s8...@news.eternal-september.org... >> Rob wrote: >>> Windows NT had a time service, but at that time it was still called >>> TIMESERV. It had its config in TIMESERV.INI instead of in the >>> registry. >> >> It also wasn't

Re: [ntp:questions] w32time

2010-06-19 Thread Rob
David Woolley wrote: > Rob wrote: >> Windows NT had a time service, but at that time it was still called >> TIMESERV. It had its config in TIMESERV.INI instead of in the registry. > > It also wasn't based on NTP wire formats. I think it used SMB, as for > Windows for Workstations. Incorrect, i

Re: [ntp:questions] w32time

2010-06-19 Thread David J Taylor
"David Woolley" wrote in message news:hvi540$s8...@news.eternal-september.org... Rob wrote: Windows NT had a time service, but at that time it was still called TIMESERV. It had its config in TIMESERV.INI instead of in the registry. It also wasn't based on NTP wire formats. I think it used

Re: [ntp:questions] w32time

2010-06-19 Thread David J Taylor
"Rob" wrote in message news:slrni1p277.kei.nom...@xs8.xs4all.nl... [] Windows NT had a time service, but at that time it was still called TIMESERV. It had its config in TIMESERV.INI instead of in the registry. I guess it was a left-over from the times before the registry. (OS/2 maybe?) Chec

Re: [ntp:questions] w32time

2010-06-19 Thread David Woolley
Rob wrote: Windows NT had a time service, but at that time it was still called TIMESERV. It had its config in TIMESERV.INI instead of in the registry. It also wasn't based on NTP wire formats. I think it used SMB, as for Windows for Workstations. ___

Re: [ntp:questions] w32time

2010-06-19 Thread Rob
David J Taylor wrote: > "David Woolley" wrote in message > news:hvgor5$8h...@news.eternal-september.org... > [] >> The reference version was available for the Windows NT family long >> before W32Time. It was available for versions of NT that never had >> W32Time. > > Interesting, David. The

Re: [ntp:questions] w32time

2010-06-19 Thread David J Taylor
"David Woolley" wrote in message news:hvgor5$8h...@news.eternal-september.org... [] The reference version was available for the Windows NT family long before W32Time. It was available for versions of NT that never had W32Time. Interesting, David. The earliest NTP file I have on the system

Re: [ntp:questions] w32time

2010-06-18 Thread Dave Hart
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 17:31 UTC, Ryan Malayter wrote: > There is still no published RFC for NTPv4. That's true, but it will not be true for much longer: http://www.rfc-editor.org/cluster_info.php?cid=C76 I encourage you to click on the underlined AUTH48 links. All authors of the four pending

Re: [ntp:questions] w32time

2010-06-18 Thread David Woolley
David J Taylor wrote: Early versions of W32time (up to XP, but I'm not 100% sure) just stepped the clock, with a default update interval of 8 days. Over a week! Later versions (Server 2003 and later, I believe) had more NTP-like behaviour, but did not conform to the management protocols of N

Re: [ntp:questions] w32time

2010-06-18 Thread Richard B. Gilbert
David J Taylor wrote: "Ryan Malayter" wrote in message news:aanlktimovwejjo8twxa2xwgep4dhebgalgqv1vnhi...@mail.gmail.com... [] The fact that niether the reference implementation nor w32time have direct support for SNMP, a *far* more widely used and documented managment standard, would seem to

Re: [ntp:questions] w32time

2010-06-18 Thread David J Taylor
"Ryan Malayter" wrote in message news:aanlktimovwejjo8twxa2xwgep4dhebgalgqv1vnhi...@mail.gmail.com... [] The fact that niether the reference implementation nor w32time have direct support for SNMP, a *far* more widely used and documented managment standard, would seem to be another way to look

Re: [ntp:questions] w32time

2010-06-18 Thread Ryan Malayter
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 10:47 AM, David J Taylor wrote: > In practice, in a mixed environment, where other implementations of NTP do > conform to an accepted management standard, > having the Microsoft Windows > W32time not conform to the same standard is, at the very least, an > operational incon

Re: [ntp:questions] w32time

2010-06-18 Thread David J Taylor
"Ryan Malayter" wrote in message news:aanlktik-l6s7b-xectebamftt8v3y3-9duwyckt4i...@mail.gmail.com... On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 5:34 AM, David J Taylor wrote: Later versions (Server 2003 and later, I believe) had more NTP-like behaviour, but did not conform to the management protocols of NTP (

Re: [ntp:questions] w32time

2010-06-18 Thread Ryan Malayter
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 5:34 AM, David J Taylor wrote: >  Later > versions (Server 2003 and later, I believe) had more NTP-like behaviour, but > did not conform to the management protocols of NTP (so you can't check the > offset), didn't use ntp.conf, couldn't be used as ref-clocks, and likely > d

Re: [ntp:questions] w32time

2010-06-18 Thread Rob
Mr Dave Baxter wrote: > Hi All. > > As people on here seem to know about all this, a question if I may. > > This came up while in discussion with another party, in regards to > potential "steps" in time caused by allowing w32time to do the job, > instead of a custom app, or "feature" in yet anot

Re: [ntp:questions] w32time

2010-06-18 Thread David J Taylor
"Mr Dave Baxter" wrote in message news:mpg.26854e5ff4b4b56a989...@aioe.org... Hi All. As people on here seem to know about all this, a question if I may. This came up while in discussion with another party, in regards to potential "steps" in time caused by allowing w32time to do the job, inste

[ntp:questions] w32time

2010-06-18 Thread Mr Dave Baxter
Hi All. As people on here seem to know about all this, a question if I may. This came up while in discussion with another party, in regards to potential "steps" in time caused by allowing w32time to do the job, instead of a custom app, or "feature" in yet another program. What I'd like to ask,

Re: [ntp:questions] W32time - encrypted request to NTP server?

2008-03-23 Thread Danny Mayer
Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > Danny Mayer wrote: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >>> Is this supported or possible in Windows 2000? >>> >>> I've managed to edit the registry to point at my local NTP server and >>> this works fine. The NTP host supports MD5 authentication and, >>> ideally, I'd like the

Re: [ntp:questions] W32time - encrypted request to NTP server?

2008-03-23 Thread Richard B. Gilbert
Steve Kostecke wrote: > On 2008-03-23, Richard B. Gilbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>Perhaps the OP meant that he would like the client to be able to >>ascertain that the server really is the server he configured. Isn't >>that, after all, the purpose of authentication? > > > The OP ask

Re: [ntp:questions] W32time - encrypted request to NTP server?

2008-03-23 Thread Steve Kostecke
On 2008-03-23, Richard B. Gilbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Perhaps the OP meant that he would like the client to be able to > ascertain that the server really is the server he configured. Isn't > that, after all, the purpose of authentication? The OP asked about encryption (note the subjec

Re: [ntp:questions] W32time - encrypted request to NTP server?

2008-03-23 Thread Richard B. Gilbert
Danny Mayer wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>Is this supported or possible in Windows 2000? >> >>I've managed to edit the registry to point at my local NTP server and >>this works fine. The NTP host supports MD5 authentication and, >>ideally, I'd like the Windows 2000 client to use this when

Re: [ntp:questions] W32time - encrypted request to NTP server?

2008-03-23 Thread Danny Mayer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Is this supported or possible in Windows 2000? > > I've managed to edit the registry to point at my local NTP server and > this works fine. The NTP host supports MD5 authentication and, > ideally, I'd like the Windows 2000 client to use this when requesting > from the NT

Re: [ntp:questions] W32time - encrypted request to NTP server?

2008-03-20 Thread Ryan Malayter
On Mar 20, 8:41 am, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is this supported or possible in Windows 2000? > > I've managed to edit the registry to point at my local NTP server and > this works fine. The NTP host supports MD5 authentication and, > ideally, I'd like the Windows 2000 client

[ntp:questions] W32time - encrypted request to NTP server?

2008-03-20 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Is this supported or possible in Windows 2000? I've managed to edit the registry to point at my local NTP server and this works fine. The NTP host supports MD5 authentication and, ideally, I'd like the Windows 2000 client to use this when requesting from the NTP server. __