Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-12 Thread Mnyb
mherger;690409 Wrote: > > Because Logitech wants the users registered to make service requests > > easier, this way they know a lot about your configuration. > > You would shake your head did you know how stupid the real reason > was... > It has nothing to do with marketing, engineering etc. >

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-12 Thread Michael Herger
> Because Logitech wants the users registered to make service requests > easier, this way they know a lot about your configuration. You would shake your head did you know how stupid the real reason was... It has nothing to do with marketing, engineering etc. -- Michael ___

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-11 Thread toby10
I believe you can bypass MySB setup and just connect to your local server. Been a while, but I think it is hitting the Home button or the back arrow? -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?us

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-11 Thread pippin
Because Logitech wants the users registered to make service requests easier, this way they know a lot about your configuration. Other iOS Apps for the Squeezebox don't have that requirement :D -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmus

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-11 Thread cncb
As a new user, I am confused by the requirement for a mysqueezebox.com account to set up my new Radio. I can understand the need if listening to Pandora, etc., but during initial setup why am I forced to create an account when connecting to a local server? It seems that if the website goes down

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-10 Thread castalla
TopGeek;689902 Wrote: > Although I downloaded the server during setup, I never use it and always > turn the computer off at night for energy saving reasons. > Your Chinese radio experience rather emphasises the point of this > thread. I can only speak for Reciva radios - you are stuffed if Reciv

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-10 Thread fragfutter
Soulkeeper;689907 Wrote: > With a plug computer running LMS, you can even continue to play music if > the Internet goes down permanently in a zombie outbreak. As long as > you've got your own generator and plenty of fuel & ammunition, you can > keep listening to music 'till the zombies get you.

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-10 Thread Soulkeeper
With a plug computer running LMS, you can even continue to play music if the Internet goes down permanently in a zombie outbreak. As long as you've got your own generator and plenty of fuel & ammunition, you can keep listening to music 'till the zombies get you. -- Soulkeeper 'Bug 17797: Updat

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-10 Thread TopGeek
castalla;689864 Wrote: > The local server is a key plus point for Logi devices. I also have a > cheap Chinese radio which has an onboard web server interface where you > can add stream urls directly - it's a pain to use, but useful since the > online database did close down! Although I download

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-10 Thread TopGeek
virgiliomi;689862 Wrote: > Yes, except that unlike the others, you can download the Logitech Media > Server software to your computer or NAS and still use your radio to > play local music and internet radio streams that you have a direct URL > for, even if Logitech were to stop providing the mysq

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-10 Thread castalla
virgiliomi;689862 Wrote: > Yes, except that unlike the others, you can download the Logitech Media > Server software to your computer or NAS and still use your radio to > play local music and internet radio streams that you have a direct URL > for, even if Logitech were to stop providing the mysq

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-10 Thread virgiliomi
TopGeek;689858 Wrote: > What bothers me more about the SBR is that it is dependent on the server > for functions that are local in ther stand-alone radios - such as > alarms. Yes, except that unlike the others, you can download the Logitech Media Server software to your computer or NAS and still

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-10 Thread TopGeek
buffettck;689821 Wrote: > I wouldn't call them "stand alone" units in any sense of the word. Yes, > it's a self-contained piece of hardware, but you cannot use it without > an internet connection...and the requisite hardware on the other end to > access it... What they mean by 'stand-alone' is

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-09 Thread andynormancx
garym;689819 Wrote: > May require your own computer to be on (or a NAS), but better than > nothing that would likely result with these other radios. And you can be sure that within a few days or weeks of mysqueezebox.com vanishing, someone here will have hacked the Radio to act independently of

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-09 Thread buffettck
TopGeek;689818 Wrote: > Thanks for you understanding response. Yes, I had not grasped the fact > that, even though there are several Internet 'receivers' on the market > that are described as 'stand-alone' units I wouldn't call them "stand alone" units in any sense of the word. Yes, it's a self

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-09 Thread garym
TopGeek;689818 Wrote: > lose the database and your Internet radio is useless, unless the > manufacturer is able to provide an upgrade to link to an alternative > database, which seems unlikely. You're welcome and this is actually one of the things I like about SB players. They have options for f

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-09 Thread TopGeek
garym;689783 Wrote: > well it is true that TopGeek is having a hard time believing that this > is true. Every example he has provided in fact requires a server > somewhere (many reciva). I admit that I didn't understand this concept > of "server" and "internet radio" when I first started down thi

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-09 Thread bpa
TopGeek;689763 Wrote: > Stand-alone Internet radios should be able to work with any of the > servers that provide streaming radio access. > There is, for example, the Sangean WFR-20 or the Sanyo R227. As I said > earlier, my concern is the limitation of being tied to a single > dedicated server s

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-09 Thread garym
castalla;689770 Wrote: > Topgeeks statement that internet radios can connect to a variety of > online servers is nonsense. The service provider is 'hardwired' into > the firmware, and in some instances probably into the hardware. well it is true that TopGeek is having a hard time believing tha

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-09 Thread castalla
Topgeeks statement that internet radios can connect to a variety of online servers is nonsense. The service provider is 'hardwired' into the firmware, and in some instances probably into the hardware. -- castalla 1 Touch - Muse M50 EX TPA3123 T-Amp Mini - Acoustics Q10 speakers - 2 duff ears

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-09 Thread andynormancx
TopGeek;689763 Wrote: > Stand-alone Internet radios should be able to work with any of the > servers that provide streaming radio access. > There is, for example, the Sangean WFR-20 or the Sanyo R227. Is that really true ? I assumed they were pretty much all tied to the Reciva service. Can you a

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-09 Thread DaveWr
buffettck;689376 Wrote: > No, it's not "disposable". Why would I "bin it on a regular basis"? > It's a "radio", "player", whatever. It does what it does...deliver > audio content from the internet or a local server... Would you also > toss a perfectly good, working AM/FM radio? > > Now, if s

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-09 Thread TopGeek
Stand-alone Internet radios should be able to work with any of the servers that provide streaming radio access. There is, for example, the Sangean WFR-20 or the Sanyo R227. As I said earlier, my concern is the limitation of being tied to a single dedicated server such as mysqueezebox.com. -- To

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-08 Thread toby10
I know networking AVR's like Yamaha and Pioneer are dependent on vTuner for online internet content. In fact Yamaha is very similar to the MySqueezebox connection architecture in that your AVR connects to the Yamaha online server which then utilizes vTuner as it's content provider for menu's, sea

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-07 Thread buffettck
Mnyb;689359 Wrote: > Ok, but I do understand those guys a bit . > > Are a squeezbox an audio product " hifi " lifespan decades you can be > burried with it ? > > Or a gadget/computer thing, like your phone you bin it on regular basis > thinking nothing about it ? No, it's not "disposable". Wh

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-07 Thread Mnyb
erland;689299 Wrote: > Let's not worry about mysqueezebox.com end of life.. Ok, but I do understand those guys a bit . Are a squeezbox an audio product " hifi " lifespan decades you can be burried with it ? Or a gadget/computer thing, like your phone you bin it on regular basis thinking nothi

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-07 Thread garym
For example, tivoli makes some internet radio capable players (that are also AM/FM if desired). I have a few of the original AM/FM radios from them and they're nice little bedside radios with AUX in for ipod, etc. http://www.tivoliaudio.com/networks-global-radio-walnut-gold.html But to access in

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-07 Thread erland
Let's not worry about mysqueezebox.com end of life before there at least are some kind of indication that Logitech plans to shut it down. At the moment, as far as I know, there is no indications that Logitech plans to shutdown mysqueezebox.com, quite the opposite actually, they are scaling it up

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-07 Thread garym
erland;689299 Wrote: > Let's not worry about mysqueezebox.com end of life before there at least > are some kind of indication that Logitech plans to shut it down. > Agree! -- garym *Location 1:* VB Appliance 6TB (1.10) > LMS 7.7.1 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet e

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-07 Thread garym
buffettck;689284 Wrote: > Then I guess there's no such thing as AM/FM radio, either because that's > just a stream broadcast in the RF spectrum and the "box at the other > end" is just a player, too, huh? semanticsthis is an internet forum, not my PhD dissertation. And the main point he

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-07 Thread pippin
TopGeek;689259 Wrote: > Yes, of course they all need to pass through a server to access Internet > radio services but the choice of server is up to the user. The SBR is > only compatible with the Logitech servers and relies on them for most > of its functionality. As I said earlier, the SBR is no

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-07 Thread buffettck
garym;689262 Wrote: > there's no such thing as an "internet radio". Internet radio is a STREAM > coming from the provider. the box at the other end of the internet (your > computer, a SB player, etc. etc.) is simply receiving that stream. Then I guess there's no such thing as AM/FM radio, either

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-07 Thread garym
TopGeek;689259 Wrote: > Yes, of course they all need to pass through a server to access Internet > radio services but the choice of server is up to the user. The SBR is > only compatible with the Logitech servers and relies on them for most > of its functionality. As I said earlier, the SBR is no

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-07 Thread garym
TopGeek;689259 Wrote: > Yes, of course they all need to pass through a server to access Internet > radio services but the choice of server is up to the user. The SBR is > only compatible with the Logitech servers and relies on them for most > of its functionality. As I said earlier, the SBR is no

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-07 Thread TopGeek
Yes, of course they all need to pass through a server to access Internet radio services but the choice of server is up to the user. The SBR is only compatible with the Logitech servers and relies on them for most of its functionality. As I said earlier, the SBR is not an Internet radio - it's a pl

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-07 Thread garym
buffettck;689258 Wrote: > Then it's not completely "useless", as you claimed, if NETFLIX were to > disappear tomorrow... it was an example! And yes, it is useless for streaming netflix if netflix goes away. It still works as a bluray player. Just like SB players still work as local music or inte

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-07 Thread buffettck
garym;689257 Wrote: > its a bluray player with netflix capability. Then it's not "worthless", as you claimed, if NETFLIX were to disappear tomorrow... -- buffettck buffettck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/memb

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-07 Thread garym
buffettck;689256 Wrote: > What "little box" is this? A ROKU? NETFLIX could die today and I > wouldn't care. Plenty of other options for streaming content. Plus > the USB port. We download everything we want to watch and throw it on > a thumb drive. No cable or satellite bills for us! ;) it

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-07 Thread buffettck
garym;689249 Wrote: > > > p.s. my little box I bought to be able to stream NETFLIX movies to my > TV will also be worthless if NETFLIX goes out of business. What "little box" is this? A ROKU? NETFLIX could die today and I wouldn't care. Plenty of other options for streaming content. Plus

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-07 Thread garym
Mnyb;689251 Wrote: > Is that not a well known US hobby a storm-shelter filled with corned > beef guns guns guns, join the militia ;) ah yes. Canned goods, guns, ammunition, a generator, fuel, SB players, and 250,000 tracks. Ready for the end times First song in playlist, "The End" (The Doo

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-07 Thread Mnyb
garym;689249 Wrote: > If one becomes too paranoid, it becomes miserable to think about > getting out of bed. ;-) Is that not a well known US hobby a storm-shelter filled with corned beef guns guns guns, join the militia ;) -- Mnyb --

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-07 Thread garym
TopGeek;689221 Wrote: > So I was right! All of these ifs, buts and maybes still come down to the > same thing - unlike most, if not all, other Internet radios, the SBR > cannot be used to access radio stations directly. Considering that it > costs as much as other Internat radios that also offer

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-07 Thread Mnyb
TopGeek;689221 Wrote: > So I was right! All of these ifs, buts and maybes still come down to the > same thing - unlike most, if not all, other Internet radios, the SBR > cannot be used to access radio stations directly. Considering that it > costs as much as other Internat radios that also offer

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-07 Thread bpa
IIRC Years ago Turtle beach Audiotron had similar problem and user managed to keep their own network server going for a number of years. Interesting possible similar scenario with Harmony Link recently appeared due to bug in iOS. The Engadget quote was > While we're sure this is a temporary probl

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-07 Thread pippin
That's not true. Most other internet radios use similar services like Receiva's -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.sl

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-07 Thread TopGeek
So I was right! All of these ifs, buts and maybes still come down to the same thing - unlike most, if not all, other Internet radios, the SBR cannot be used to access radio stations directly. Considering that it costs as much as other Internat radios that also offer DAB and FM reception, I find th

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-06 Thread Mnyb
And if a new CEO walked and decided to scrap the operation now, they would be legally required to run mysqueezebox.com untill warranty and consumer laws experied on the last sold player that is 2 years in Eu or accept return of money on all recently sold units . So a lot of time to plan ahead .

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-06 Thread buffettck
aubuti;689169 Wrote: > LMS is Logitech Media Server. It's software that runs on your computer > or NAS (network attached storage) for serving audio to Squeezeboxes. > The biggest difference from mysb.com is that LMS allows you to play > your own music, provided it is on a hard disk available some

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-06 Thread aubuti
buffettck;689159 Wrote: > Ok, I guess this is where I need educating. What is LMS and how does it > work (i.e. is it easy to use)? > > Also, I'm guessing if the squeezebox server went down, I could not just > up and take the radio on vacation (alone, no laptop, etc) and expect to > pull all m

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-06 Thread buffettck
garym;689158 Wrote: > On LMS running on your computer or NAS. if you only use mysb.com, that's > a problem I guess. Ok, I guess this is where I need educating. What is LMS and how does it work (i.e. is it easy to use)? Also, I'm guessing if the squeezebox server went down, I could not just u

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-06 Thread garym
buffettck;689157 Wrote: > How would one enter the URL manually on the radio itself? On LMS running on your computer or NAS. if you only use mysb.com, that's a problem I guess. -- garym *Location 1:* VB Appliance 6TB (1.10) > LMS 7.7.1 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-06 Thread buffettck
garym;689148 Wrote: > SB players can work until the player breaks. Mysb.com not needed. You > will always be able to play your own music, Internet radio where you > can enter the URL (ie most of them) and any services where someone > provides a 3rd party plugin (eg spotify). How would one enter

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-06 Thread garym
For the how long question: not at all they can shut it down tonight. But that is equally true of Sonos and its software for access to things like pandora, etc. -- garym *Location 1:* VB Appliance 6TB (1.10) > LMS 7.7.1 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-06 Thread garym
andynormancx;689149 Wrote: > You mean like, Squeezebox Server (or LMS as it is now called)... LMS on your computer will work even if Logitech ceases to exist. It doesn't require a connection to mysb.com for many of its functions. -- garym *Location 1:* VB Appliance 6TB (1.10) > LMS 7.7.1 > T

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-06 Thread andynormancx
buffettck;689147 Wrote: > That's actually a very good question. I'd like to know the answer to > this as well. Perhaps a third party would write some kind of > application to emulate the squeezebox server... You mean like, Squeezebox Server (or LMS as it is now called)... -- andynormancx Y

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-06 Thread garym
buffettck;689147 Wrote: > That's actually a very good question. I'd like to know the answer to > this as well. Perhaps a third party would write some kind of > application to emulate the squeezebox server... SB players can work until the player breaks. Mysb.com not needed. You will always be a

Re: [SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-06 Thread buffettck
That's actually a very good question. I'd like to know the answer to this as well. Perhaps a third party would write some kind of application to emulate the squeezebox server... -- buffettck buffettck's Profile: http://f

[SlimDevices: Radio] For how long does Logitech guarantee to maintain mysqueezebox.com

2012-02-06 Thread TopGeek
It would be interesting to know because, if they ever shut it down, our SBRs will apparently be virtually useless. Please tell me I'm mistaken. -- TopGeek Licenced radio amateur. Electronics/IT engineer. Translator of Dutch and French to English. Received SBR as a Christmas present 2011. -