Re: [RBW] Re: Deflate bike tires before ascent in car?

I'm not sure taking a bike to outer space would be such a good idea. There's nothing to ride on up there. On Saturday, August 2, 2014 1:23:03 AM UTC-4, Metin Uz wrote: > > Agreed. You can even take a bike to outer space and its tires > won't explode (at lea

Re: [RBW] Re: Deflate bike tires before ascent in car?

Agreed. You can even take a bike to outer space and its tires won't explode (at least if you keep it at reasonable temperatures). --Metin On Friday, August 1, 2014 6:58:25 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote: > > I have *ridden* from 0 to 7000 feet quite a few times, without doing > anything to my tir

[RBW] Re: 650b wheel building question

Has spokes changed that much? According to a chart in Jobst's book, the yield strength of spokes was something like twice or thrice the tension typically applied in a normal wheel. The spokes are typically not any thinner than are currently available to mitigate spoke windup from to low torsion

Re: [RBW] Digest for rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com - 25 updates in 9 topics

Hey there! I'm away from Rivendell (and email) until Monday, August 11th. For Cheviot inquiries please email vi...@rivbike.com or call. If you need immediate assistance please call 925-933-7304 or 800-345-3918. Cheers, keven On Aug 1, 2014, at 5:22 PM, rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote:

[RBW] Re: Paul Thumbies or IRD stem mounted shifters?

I've been using thumbies on my Atlantis since changing over to flat bars. I like them a lot (levers came from my bar ends). Other riders speak highly of the stem shifters & they really are a clean installation. I think if most of your riding is on roads & good trails, stems would be fine on

Re: [RBW] Re: Minneapolis country bike rally

Don't know how I missed this thread before. I'll probably be there for at least one of the days, if not both. Riding one of the workhorse Surlys. Looking forward to it! Shaun On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 3:56 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery < thill@gmail.com> wrote: > Also, I'd like to know who'

[RBW] Paul Thumbies or IRD stem mounted shifters?

i have both but haven't tried either. i dont want bar ends. the handlebar will be a Noodle. what are you real world experiences using Thumbies and/or the IRD mount mike goldman warwick,r.i. Odd Carb-Hormone Trick 1 EASY tip to increase

[RBW] Re: RBWHQ Spy Photos!!

For a couple of years? To me, that suggests the "different things" must be an all-in commitment to the new bike. It's gotta be a bike; it would take a buncha hatchets to make up for No Sams. This is intriguing. Grant & the elves are definitely up to something. Let the suspense (and speculat

Re: [RBW] Re: Deflate bike tires before ascent in car?

I have *ridden* from 0 to 7000 feet quite a few times, without doing anything to my tires. So have lots of other people on this list. Our tires didn't explode off the rims. Riding up mountains on one's bike is not a rare occurrence, and tires don't explode when you get to the top. This is not a re

[RBW] FS: numerous parts/accessories - 650B MB Trimline tires, NSmyth saddlebag, DirtDrops, CP brakes, etc

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[RBW] FS: numerous parts/accessories - 650B MB Trimline tires, NSmyth saddlebag, DirtDrops, CP brakes, etc

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Re: [RBW] Re: Deflate bike tires before ascent in car?

Microbial dance party! On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 5:26 PM, Garth wrote: > How do you account for the bulging of *some* yogurt containers and milk > cartons low elevations like 600 ft. ? > > > On Friday, August 1, 2014 8:17:37 PM UTC-4, Metin Uz wrote: >> >> No, yogurt containers bulge and water bot

[RBW] Re: Deflate bike tires before ascent in car?

How do you account for the bulging of *some* yogurt containers and milk cartons low elevations like 600 ft. ? On Friday, August 1, 2014 8:17:37 PM UTC-4, Metin Uz wrote: > > No, yogurt containers bulge and water bottles do too. They are at 0 psi > when they are sealed, so the change in ambient

Re: [RBW] Re: Deflate bike tires before ascent in car?

Pedant here. They are *not* at 0psi. They are at ambient air pressure. :) On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Metin Uz wrote: > No, yogurt containers bulge and water bottles do too. They are at 0 psi > when they are sealed, so the change in ambient pressure results in a large > percentage change. N

[RBW] Re: Deflate bike tires before ascent in car?

No, yogurt containers bulge and water bottles do too. They are at 0 psi when they are sealed, so the change in ambient pressure results in a large percentage change. Not so for a tire already under pressure. --Metin On Friday, August 1, 2014 3:06:26 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote: > > > Yogurt container

Re: [RBW] Re: 650b wheel building question

Sorry if I'm being a bit rude, but you hear a lot of weird stuff. cc On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 4:38 PM, lungimsam wrote: > Wit a minute!! >> > > >> Hold everything! >> > > >> *None of that stuff ever happened.* >> > > >> It was a hypothetical question for future reference, and to reassure >>

[RBW] Re: 650b wheel building question

> > Wit a minute!! > > Hold everything! > > *None of that stuff ever happened.* > > It was a hypothetical question for future reference, and to reassure > myself about the current LBS-built wheels I have. > What I meant was: > > *Is there any reason to believe that a non-650b LB

Re: [RBW] Re: 650b wheel building question

Hey guys, there's nothing wrong with a mechanic who shows a little humility. I know some great mechanics who aren't very good at promoting themselves. On the other hand, I've met some know-it-all mechanics who aren't very good. Just sayin' Ken On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 3:43 PM, Bill Lindsay wro

[RBW] Re: 650b wheel building question

+1million Me: "Can I pay you to build some wheels?" Mech: "Sure! Is there anything special I need to know about these?" Me: "You know what? Nevermind" On Friday, August 1, 2014 2:21:12 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote: > > > Just saying . . lol . . . . if there is something they need to know > abou

[RBW] Re: RBWHQ Spy Photos!!

...and now catching up on the BLUG, which says there's a Sam order arriving in September followed by no more Samuel Hillbornes for a couple years, since they will be doing other things. I imagine these bikes might be the other things I also missed the fact that if you buy a Sam in the next

[RBW] Re: Deflate bike tires before ascent in car?

Yogurt containers bulging has more to do with the live cultures and natural bacteria in it than elevation. You can often see containers of yogurt at any level as they near the expiration date may bulge. Not to mention a host of dairy products and other foods . I would not buy them !! -- You

[RBW] Re: Deflate bike tires before ascent in car?

Professional race team support vehicles carry loads of spare wheels, fully inflated & ready to ride, up to significant altitudes, often multiple times during the day, with no concern about exploding tires. My guess is these tires are a good deal lighter in construction than a typical touring ti

[RBW] Re: 650b wheel building question

Just saying . . lol . . . . if there is something they need to know about building up some wheels . . . .you might want to reconsider having them build your wheels ! ;) It depends on what you value the most, being "local" and taking your chances, or having wheels that suredly "stand",

[RBW] Re: Minneapolis country bike rally

Also, I'd like to know who's coming. Please email me offlist to let me know who you are, and where you're traveling from. On Friday, August 1, 2014 3:53:34 PM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: > > All rallying and riding will be centered at Hiawatha Cyclery, 4313 E 54th > St, Minneapo

[RBW] Re: Minneapolis country bike rally

All rallying and riding will be centered at Hiawatha Cyclery, 4313 E 54th St, Minneapolis, MN 55417. It's inside the corner formed by the junction of Highways 55 and 62 in South Minneapolis. There is plenty of free parking on adjacent residential streets. HC is just a few blocks from two differ

[RBW] Re: Continental Divide 4 day Bikepack

Thanks Craig. This was a trip full of an embarrassment of riches! Enjoy your trip -- looks like beautiful country. When it comes to water, if you haven't read "Waterlogged" you may find it fascinating. My water intake is 1/3rd what it used to be. What changed? Elimination of grains and only bre

[RBW] ISO Meishas bar end grips

Hey all, I need another set of grips for a project bike and wanted to know if anyone had a spare set they wanted to unload before I buy new at Rivendell. Thanks all. Peter -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from

Re: [RBW] Re: Refined S240 setup!

Hahaha does this count as ultralight? https://www.flickr.com/photos/lumachrome/14617468440/ On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Chris Chen wrote: > DO IT > > > On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 12:30 PM, William! > wrote: > >> Wow, now you are temping me to S240 the Roadeo. >> >> >> On Wednesday, July 30, 2

[RBW] FS/WTT: Nitto Technomic and Moustache

I have a Nitto Technomic stem, 26mm clamp. 225mm quill length. Only 50mm reach. Great alternative to a Dirt Drop if you need something high and tight. Also, a Nitto Moustache bar. I will have to check when I get home if it's 25.4mm or 26mm clamp area. I bought it locally and don't remember. Loo

Re: [RBW] Re: Refined S240 setup!

DO IT On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 12:30 PM, William! wrote: > Wow, now you are temping me to S240 the Roadeo. > > > On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 8:35:07 PM UTC-7, DS wrote: > >> Entmoot inspired! I now can fit my tent (big agnes seedhouse 2), sleeping >> bag (new JRB shenandoah), sleeping pad (neoair

[RBW] Re: Refined S240 setup!

Wow, now you are temping me to S240 the Roadeo. On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 8:35:07 PM UTC-7, DS wrote: > > Entmoot inspired! I now can fit my tent (big agnes seedhouse 2), sleeping > bag (new JRB shenandoah), sleeping pad (neoair xlite), jetboil, clothes, > and air pillow in my medium sackville

Re: [RBW] Deflate bike tires before ascent in car?

Wait. You ride on recycled PET plastic containers? :) are they supple? On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 12:30 AM, Jim Bronson wrote: > The next couple of days I will be driving from my home around 500 ft > altitude to over 7000 ft before returning to near sea level. > > I remember seeing yogurt containe

Re: [RBW] Re: Deflate bike tires before ascent in car?

Mad's 1000 snappy answers? On Friday, August 1, 2014 1:35:43 PM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote: > > If your tire is going to explode if its pressure increases by 5 psi, you > should not deflate it when you go to altitude. Rather, you should get a new > tire at once, because you are riding on a dang

Re: [RBW] Re: Refined S240 setup!

I could be up for this. Dan > On Aug 1, 2014, at 11:07 AM, David Stein wrote: > > Mid to late September works best for me as of now, pending a parental visit > that still needs to be scheduled, a possible job change, etc. I like the > Samuel Taylor idea. But open. > > Sent from my iPhone >

[RBW] RBWHQ Spy Photos!!

I went to RBW HQ this morning to pick up some Olive HA Panniers. Grant posted on here that they'd give me a deal that made up for the fact that I overpaid a bit for my HA Rack. He promise

Re: [RBW] Re: Deflate bike tires before ascent in car?

If your tire is going to explode if its pressure increases by 5 psi, you should not deflate it when you go to altitude. Rather, you should get a new tire at once, because you are riding on a dangerous tire. On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Jim Bronson wrote: > I wouldn't let all the air out, ju

[RBW] Re: Deflate bike tires before ascent in car?

On Friday, August 1, 2014 5:42:04 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote: > > from sea level to 7000', you'll get a 20% increase in tire pressure > > > That's true, only if you start with 0psi in your tires. The ambient pressure has dropped, but this does not proportionally increase the tire pressure, it simpl

[RBW] Re: FS: 60cm Ritchey Road Logic Frame, fork and Chris King headset

I don't know what the max is. I was running Ruffy Tuffy (~28mm) and those fit with some room. With the right brakes I'm going to guess at 30mm would fit. Happy to measure things if that is helpful... William On Thursday, July 31, 2014 10:49:22 PM UTC-7, bingomck wrote: > > William, do you know

[RBW] Re: FS: 60cm Ritchey Road Logic Frame, fork and Chris King headset

Here is the updated craigslist post with some pictures: http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/4594160527.html On Friday, August 1, 2014 9:49:09 AM UTC-7, pb wrote: > > I just bought a "grail" frame I've been seeking for about ten years, a > titanium Serotta Schwinn Paramount 60th Anniversary. C

Re: [RBW] Re: Refined S240 setup!

Mid to late September works best for me as of now, pending a parental visit that still needs to be scheduled, a possible job change, etc. I like the Samuel Taylor idea. But open. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 1, 2014, at 7:46 AM, Roger wrote: > > > >> On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 8:35:07 PM U

Re: [RBW] Re: Deflate bike tires before ascent in car?

I wouldn't let all the air out, just some. It's inconvenient to roll bikes around if the tires are flat. On Aug 1, 2014 12:19 PM, "Anne Paulson" wrote: > No, no, no, and you don't need to deflate them when you put your bike in > an unpressurized airplane cargo hold either. > > Steve says, you do

Re: [RBW] Re: silver shifters question

I cut a spring from a cheap retractable ball-point pen in half, and used that for the two shifters. Works just fine. My original springs jumped ("geronimo!") from the shifters when I opened them up. They were quickly assimilated by the dust bunnies in my house. On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 12:24 PM,

[RBW] Re: silver shifters question

Thanks everyone Turns out I'm missing the the little springs. Does anyone know where to find a replacement ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Re: Deflate bike tires before ascent in car?

No, no, no, and you don't need to deflate them when you put your bike in an unpressurized airplane cargo hold either. Steve says, you don't need to do it but would it hurt? Well, yeah, it could. Your pressurized tire nicely protects your rim. Your flat tire doesn't. On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 9:18 A

Re: [RBW] Re: week long tour ideas in Northern California or Oregon

I've been happy staying at Oak Street Station B&B. I've stayed there three times now, and always felt welcomed and fed. I just happened on it the first time; I arrived in Ashland looking for a place to stay, got a recommendation from the lodging recommendation place, called up Oak Street Station, a

[RBW] Re: week long tour ideas in Northern California or Oregon

On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:19:19 PM UTC-7, Kurt Manley wrote: > > I'm looking to do a 1 week solo tour on the proto Hunqapillar the week > after next and could use some help picking a route. I had a loose plan in > mind to take the Coast Starlight from Oakland to Somewhere near the Oregon >

[RBW] Re: week long tour ideas in Northern California or Oregon

On Friday, August 1, 2014 8:36:57 AM UTC-7, SpiralCage wrote: > > Hey an Ashland question for all of you who have done tours in this area > and stopped there. Is there a good place to stay for the touring cyclist? > Was reservations needed? If one showed up on a Monday or Tuesday (which > it's

[RBW] Re: Continental Divide 4 day Bikepack

> > Thanks Patrick. Great photos. Adventure! > Clayton -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To p

[RBW] Re: FS: 60cm Ritchey Road Logic Frame, fork and Chris King headset

I just bought a "grail" frame I've been seeking for about ten years, a titanium Serotta Schwinn Paramount 60th Anniversary. Cleaned out my discretionary fund. However please do me a favor and send pix. I think I have one empty hook in the garage. ~Peter On Thursday, July 31, 2014 9:3

[RBW] Re: Minneapolis country bike rally

This campsite is now filled. When I left the website it looked like the entire north loop was open for this weekend so far. On Friday, August 1, 2014 12:20:05 PM UTC-4, Marc Irwin wrote: > > > > I have reserved campsite #60 on the north loop of Lebanon Hills campground > for 26-28. It's non el

[RBW] Re: Advice needed on knee pain (yet another thread)

Squats! Squats helped to rid me of my chronic knee pain that I blamed on: - Low Q - High Q - Crank length - Saddle setback - Foot on pedal position Squats stretch out that whole system. I would also advise trying the "Couch Stretch" from Becoming a Supple Leopard, cobra pose, child pose and many

[RBW] Re: Minneapolis country bike rally

I have reserved campsite #60 on the north loop of Lebanon Hills campground for 26-28. It's non electric and another tent and vehicle is permitted if somebody would like to share. It's nearest to the showerhouse. Send a PM if you would like to share. Marc -- You received this message becau

[RBW] Re: Deflate bike tires before ascent in car?

of course Bill. On Friday, August 1, 2014 9:57:22 AM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > Ron > > You post the right chart but are interpreting it incorrectly. At sea > level atmospheric pressure is ~15psi, and at 7000 ft it's ~11psi. His tire > pressure will increase by that same 4 psi. When you

[RBW] Re: week long tour ideas in Northern California or Oregon

Hey an Ashland question for all of you who have done tours in this area and stopped there. Is there a good place to stay for the touring cyclist? Was reservations needed? If one showed up on a Monday or Tuesday (which it's looking like I will) is it easier? How about tickets to the plays? I have

Re: [RBW] Re: Deflate bike tires before ascent in car?

In summary: do you /need/ to do this? No. Would it hurt? No. That's probably the same answer for tubulars; but traditionalists would always bleed the air out of their tubulars after a ride anyway, although I don't know why. (I know this still goes on, saw it after a ride last week.) I'm no

[RBW] Re: week long tour ideas in Northern California or Oregon

THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH! I was feeling a little frustrated with my planning when I originally posted but after getting all this great advice I came up with a route last night that I am super exited about and feel is just right distance wise for me to do in a week. The plan now is to do a one

[RBW] Re: Deflate bike tires before ascent in car?

Tires are built to withstand twice the rated maximum pressure. You won't get anywhere near that from a 7,000-ft ascent. On Friday, August 1, 2014 3:30:27 AM UTC-4, Jim Bronson wrote: > > The next couple of days I will be driving from my home around 500 ft > altitude to over 7000 ft before retur

Re: [RBW] 3D lugs?

I think Riv should build up a super straightforward Cheviot (or Clem Smith,Jr.?) to enter next year. They'd have the best music of the informational videos. The Portland design, if I remember correctly is entirely 3D printed from titanium. This is a pretty neat challenge, and I'm glad for the

[RBW] Re: Continental Divide 4 day Bikepack

Fantastic! Thanks for sharing pictures. Live it up! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to

[RBW] Re: Deflate bike tires before ascent in car?

Ron You post the right chart but are interpreting it incorrectly. At sea level atmospheric pressure is ~15psi, and at 7000 ft it's ~11psi. His tire pressure will increase by that same 4 psi. When you measure tire pressure you measure the difference between the pressure inside the tire and th

[RBW] Re: Advice needed on knee pain (yet another thread)

Hi Liesl, It's not just a saddle height thing, it's also a saddle setback thing. If I recall correctly, you're riding a Riv with some major setback from a really slack seat tube. Is that right? A common metric for measuring correct saddle position puts the front of the knee directly above the p

[RBW] Re: Refined S240 setup!

On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 8:35:07 PM UTC-7, DS wrote: > > ...anyone for a mt diablo juniper or pt. reyes run in September... > Sounds great to me, DS. Let's make some plans. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscri

[RBW] Re: Tuning Brake Squeal

I am laughing because I played viola in my youth; no slight intended, I assure you! so perhaps Pasela 32's = violins Soma Xpress 38's=violas Hetres 42's = cellos Big bens 55=basses This might support my totally unfounded theory about the tone. Spoke length or rim circumference would be p

[RBW] Re: Advice needed on knee pain (yet another thread)

I had the same thing happen to me two seasons ago and it kept me off the bike for nearly 3 months in a knee brace. I was going on my first s240, maybe 160km round trip, and decided to put my brooks on my cross bike, which had a zero setback post. I should note, up until this date I had never ha

[RBW] Re: 650b wheel building question

The idea is that you want the spokes to be in the "sweet spot" between always being tensioned yet never reaching the limit of their elastic modulus. Too much tension will stress the eyelets and hub flanges, and you also approach the limit of the spoke elastic modulus; Too little tension and th

Re: [RBW] Re: week long tour ideas in Northern California or Oregon

The trip detailed in that link (Portland to close to Reno) was 10 days including a 1.5 rest stop in Ashland to see Hamlet and drink beer. I wish I knew exactly the route we took from Portland to hit the ACA route. It was lightly used highways that were spectacular. We camped the first night next

[RBW] Re: Deflate bike tires before ascent in car?

here's the chart - Kg/cm2 is close enough to atmospheres https://www.avs.org/AVS/files/c7/c7edaedb-95b2-438f-adfb-36de54f87b9e.pdf On Friday, August 1, 2014 8:19:31 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote: > > My tires are at 40psi max anyway, so I don't worry about it going from 8k > where I live to 13

[RBW] Re: Deflate bike tires before ascent in car?

Not necessary :) http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=167 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr

[RBW] Re: Deflate bike tires before ascent in car?

My tires are at 40psi max anyway, so I don't worry about it going from 8k where I live to 13k on some passes. Based on Ron's numbers, if you keep your's at 60psi usually you'd endue at 72psi, so no big deal. If you're concerned about it, you've naught to lose by dropping them down. With aban

[RBW] Re: Continental Divide 4 day Bikepack

DS: Ha! This trail is under biking for any bike, so sure. Next time you join me on it, bring your Quickbeam. Grin. Doug: Thanks! When we live it right, life is an wonderful adventure of friendship, love, and contemplation, no matter where we are or what we are doing! With abandon, Patrick --

[RBW] Re: Deflate bike tires before ascent in car?

from sea level to 7000', you'll get a 20% increase in tire pressure On Friday, August 1, 2014 2:30:27 AM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote: > > The next couple of days I will be driving from my home around 500 ft > altitude to over 7000 ft before returning to near sea level. > > I remember seeing yogurt

[RBW] Re: Tuning Brake Squeal

On Friday, August 1, 2014 4:02:25 AM UTC-5, Takashi wrote: > > > > >> tires might function to increase amplitude at certain frequencies like >> the body of a violin (32 pasela) compared to a

[RBW] Re: Tuning Brake Squeal

> tires might function to increase amplitude at certain frequencies like the > body of a violin (32 pasela) compared to a cello (55 big ben). > > I have no idea why pitch is so different, b

[RBW] Deflate bike tires before ascent in car?

The next couple of days I will be driving from my home around 500 ft altitude to over 7000 ft before returning to near sea level. I remember seeing yogurt containers in Santa Fe that were actually bulging and it got me thinking that the same thing could happen with bike tires if you departed lower